Monday, April 15th: First Ever Criminal Trial for a Former US President

[Aglaopheme]

The democrats know that if they try imprisoning Trump before the election, he'll win in such a massive landslide that half the lefties here will commit mass suicide.

Nice that you get he is going to prison.

 

[TastySuckToy]

Nice that you get he is going to prison.

I don't think anyone denies they're trying to imprison Trump.

 

[Lazaran]

Trump's already at his ceiling. He's not picking up any new supporters regardless of what happens.

But delaying his sentencing does deny him a campaign talking point.

Letting Trump twist in the wind like this is a definite win for the Democrats.

Yeah, as much as I would enjoy having Trump running the last stretch of this campaign from behind bars and being subjected to the harsh realities of prison life, Judge Merchan’s ruling is for the best when it comes to taking away one of Trump’s campaign crutches.

 

[Aglaopheme]

I don't think anyone denies they're trying to imprison Trump.

Trying is very different than doing.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1832110077765120353

 

[Bray123]

The democrats know that if they try imprisoning Trump before the election, he'll win in such a massive landslide that half the lefties here will commit mass suicide.

That means you want him to go straight to prison then.

 

[TastySuckToy]

That means you want him to go straight to prison then.

No, I would never advocate sending any innocent people to prison.

 

[dmallord]

Trump's already at his ceiling. He's not picking up any new supporters regardless of what happens.

But delaying his sentencing does deny him a campaign talking point.

Letting Trump twist in the wind like this is a definite win for the Democrats.

Justice delayed is justice denied.

Keep in mind that when he was found guilty, many of those fence-sitters felt the weight of that conviction becoming a reality. That squealing criminal had a lot of empathy until that verdict was read: guilty on all thirty-four counts of felony fraud. Minds were swayed.

In the days since, the thoughts of his guilt have been buried in the barrage of hyperbolic spewings Trump continues to utter.

The delivery of a sentence would bring America back to the fact that a convicted felon was in the race for the greatest seat of power in the world. Imagine the impact of knowing he was sentenced. Knowing that sentence would give a somber reminder that the justice system still works no matter who the criminal is or how popular he is among his supporters. This would be a powerful reminder of the justice system's crucial role in maintaining order.

Public support for a criminal at large provides false support. It diminishes when it sees a criminal behind bars. They turn their backs on him in short order. Grumble some might, but the bravado will dissipate. The sooner he is sentenced the faster the healing begins.

 

[Rightguide]

I'm guessing that if Trump wins, Merchan will finally look at the evidence and testimony and "discover" that Trump is indeed immune and vacate the jury's verdicts.

The same will likely happen in the DC case as well as Smith's appeal from Cannon's dismissal.

Just like magic.

I see the judge has given in to Smith and allowed him to present a motion listing charges against Trump just prior to the election and gave Trump a deadline for a reply after the election so she still trying to harm his chances in the election. You can go here, at 38.13 to listen to Bob Gouveia's analysis of the latest events in Chutkan's courtroom:

 

[dmallord]

No, I would never advocate sending any innocent people to prison.

Trump was convicted. So why are you equivocating over the question?

 

[TastySuckToy]

Trump was convicted. So why are you equivocating over the question?

And witches were also found guilty by the courts before being burnt at the stake.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

No, I would never advocate sending any innocent people to prison.

Trump was convicted.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

And witches were also found guilty by the courts before being burnt at the stake.

The witches got to hire attorneys, had a say in the jury, were able to make motions….etc??

It’s almost as if you have no idea what happened.

 

[TastySuckToy]

Trump was convicted.

Oh, so the justice system never makes mistakes or wrongly convicts anyone? That's news to me.

The witches got to hire attorneys, had a say in the jury, were able to make motions….etc??

It’s almost as if you have no idea what happened.

It's like you think the justice system is infallible and immune from corruption, as long as it targets someone you hate.

 

[dmallord]

And witches were also found guilty by the courts before being burnt at the stake.

I don't believe courts are any longer burning witches in America. Maybe in Canada, but such news isn't recent that I've heard in the USA.

Back to Trump: Convicted by a modern-day court that hasn't tried a witch in a long, long time. So, are you still not okay with 'burning Trump' as in jail time for a conviction by twelve fellow citizens?

It is okay to say that you, in good conscience, do not feel his trial was fair. That's a legitimate statement to make as well.

 

[TastySuckToy]

I don't believe courts are any longer burning witches in America. Maybe in Canada, but such news isn't recent that I've heard in the USA.

Back to Trump: Convicted by a modern-day court that hasn't tried a witch in a long, long time. So, are you still not okay with 'burning Trump' as in jail time for a conviction by twelve fellow citizens?

It is okay to say that you, in good conscience, do not feel his trial was fair. That's a legitimate statement to make as well.

You actually seriously thought I was saying witch trials are still a thing, and didn't understand that comment in the context of a unfair/corrupt trial?

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Oh, so the justice system never makes mistakes or wrongly convicts anyone? That's news to me.

It's like you think the justice system is infallible and immune from corruption, as long as it targets someone you hate.

Do you have any proof at all that the justice system was corrupt in this particular case?
Does the justice system make mistakes when it comes to rich people? If yes, please give an example.

I also have to point out you aren’t calling out the justice department for any other convictions.

Really looking forward to your answer to this.

 

[TastySuckToy]

Do you have any proof at all that the justice system was corrupt in this particular case?

My argument is that the justice system is neither infallible nor immune to corruption.

Does the justice system make mistakes when it comes to rich people?

My argument is that the justice system is neither infallible nor immune to corruption.

I also have to point out you aren’t calling out the justice department for any other convictions.

It's called staying on topic. If you want to go to different topic, start a different thread.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

My argument is that the justice system is neither infallible nor immune to corruption.

My argument is that the justice system is neither infallible nor immune to corruption.

It's called staying on topic. If you want to go to different topic, start a different thread.

That’s not your argument and you’re the one changing the topic because you’re being asked a direct question you don’t want to answer.

Your argument is that Trump is innocent for….reasons, and your argument falls apart when asked for specifics.

 

[dmallord]

Oh, so the justice system never makes mistakes or wrongly convicts anyone? That's news to me.

It's like you think the justice system is infallible and immune from corruption, as long as it targets someone you hate.

Our justice system makes mistakes—fortunately, fewer than it does in getting sentences correct. Sadly, those mistakes are bad for the pursuit of justice. Sometimes, the guilty are found innocent far too late after serving long sentences. Yet, it is an attempt at balancing the punishment of criminals to protect the general public from crime. It's not infallible, but until we can find a way to read a criminal's mind, it's the best we have to deliver sentences.

As an example, Donald Trump took out a full-page ad in The NY Times advocating the death penalty for five Black kids. They served many years in prison before DNA tests exonerated them. One is now on the NY city council. Trump made no apologies for calling for their deaths even after they were found innocent. He still doesn't believe they are innocent! He has no remorse, nor can he express any, as evidenced by the two thumbs up and smiling faces at the Arlington National Cemetery publicity stunt.

In my view, the public deserves to know Trump's guilt and his sentence before the election. We know he was found guilty, but today, we learn his sentencing will be postponed until after the election. Ironically, the judge Trump accuses of being biased says that he doesn't want to give the impression that the verdict might be delivered and seem to influence the election process. Imagine that—a USA judge who wants to give the criminal a fair chance at becoming the next president of the USA!

 

[TastySuckToy]

That’s not your argument and you’re the one changing the topic because you’re being asked a direct question you don’t want to answer.

I literally stated what my argument is. You don't get to tell me what my argument is.

Your argument is that Trump is innocent for….reasons, and your argument falls apart when asked for specifics.

Oh I believe Trump is innocent, absolutely. But that's not my argument.

 

[dmallord]

You actually seriously thought I was saying witch trials are still a thing, and didn't understand that comment in the context of a unfair/corrupt trial?

No, silly. Give me some credence for knowing that no longer happens. It was an attempt at humoring your strange interjection of witches into the thought process of Trump deserving sentencing after being found guilty in a valid trial.

Your metaphor implies that past witch trials were similar to Trump's trial. This is incorrect and off-topic. You polka when you are amidst a crowd doing the waltz.

He's not Canadian. If he has a choice when he is president he might just order the army on any given day to seize your lands for some crazy reason. So let us deal with our traitor before he gets that far.

 

[TastySuckToy]

No, silly.

So you were just wasting time and ignoring my actual point. Gotcha.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

I don't think anyone denies they're trying to imprison Trump.

Yup, your argument has nothing to do with Trump and is about the justice system in general…..

 

[TastySuckToy]

My argument is that the justice system is neither infallible nor immune to corruption.

Yup, your argument has nothing to do with Trump and is about the justice system in general…..

Until you can read and understand my quote above, you're not going to get anywhere.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Until you can read and understand my quote above, you're not going to get anywhere.

I did read your post, which is why I asked what I asked, and is why you’re doing your best to backpedal.