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Just 14-years-old, she was sitting on a bench in a children's playground. Russia had already killed her father in eastern Ukraine, and then Russia came back to kill her.

Yesterday in Kharkiv city, this young girls head was all but decapitated by shrapnel, when Russian bombs struck an apartment block & a children's playground. 7 people died, and around 90 were wounded, including many children. R.I.P

These deaths and others could have been prevented with air defence systems that have NOT been supplied. Canada paid the USA for an entire NSAMS systems a year and a half ago. This has still NOT been ordered by the Biden Administration, let alone supplied. The order was placed by Canada with the USA to ostensibly speed up delivery. It's achieved anything but that.

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ChloeTzang said:
Just 14-years-old, she was sitting on a bench in a children's playground. Russia had already killed her father in eastern Ukraine, and then Russia came back to kill her.

Yesterday in Kharkiv city, this young girls head was all but decapitated by shrapnel, when Russian bombs struck an apartment block & a children's playground. 7 people died, and around 90 were wounded, including many children. R.I.P

These deaths and others could have been prevented with air defence systems that have NOT been supplied. Canada paid the USA for an entire NSAMS systems a year and a half ago. This has still NOT been ordered by the Biden Administration, let alone supplied. The order was placed by Canada with the USA to ostensibly speed up delivery. It's achieved anything but that.

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I call bullshit on this one
 
ll74 said:
I call bullshit on this one
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Why? It's not exactly like it's not happening every other day.

CNN: A day of mourning has been declared in the Ukrainian city of Kharkiv, following Russian bomb attacks that killed at least eight civilians, including a child in a playground.....

https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/31/europe/russian-bomb-attack-kharkiv-intl/index.html

Russian attack on Ukraine’s Kharkiv kills at least six, injures dozens​

A 14-year-old girl was among those killed, Interior Minister Igor Klymenko says, and 55 others were wounded.

A Russian attack on the the eastern Ukrainian city of Kharkiv has killed at least six people, including a 14-year-old girl, and wounded dozens of others, Ukrainian officials have said. “Occupiers killed a child right on the playground,” Kharkiv mayor Ihor Terekhov said in a statement on the Telegram messaging app on Friday. Three other people were killed in a 12-storey apartment block that caught fire as a result of the attack, he said.
“Unfortunately, the death toll has risen to six people,” Kharkiv regional Governor Oleg Synegubov said in a post on Telegram hours after the attack.
A 14-year-old girl was among those killed, Interior Minister Igor Klymenko said. At least 55 people were wounded, he said.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024...es-kharkiv-kills-at-least-four-injures-dozens
 
https://www.rt.com/russia/603309-ukraine-illegal-firearms-count/
As the hapless Ukrainian souls are being stuffed into the meat grinder.... o'l booger sugar is sniveling about "illegal firearms" in the possession of the population, requiring them to surrender the weapons to the dieing nazi regime within 90 days of the end of martial law.... my question is what is o'l booger sugar afraid of? Maybe he's afraid that the truth will come to light? This little Satanist has sacrificed "his" people in a blood sacrifice for his own personal gain? At what point in time will the ukies figure out that they've been played by the west.....Ukraine will exist in slavery to the bankers for generations........if I've learned anything from this war as with the attack on Israel that an unarmed people has no chance against an armed force/individual....
 
The Netherlands is delivering 28 Viking tracked vehicles for Ukraine. The Netherlands Marine Corps has trained the Ukrainian military for this.

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ChloeTzang said:
Why? It's not exactly like it's not happening every other day.

CNN: A day of mourning has been declared in the Ukrainian city of Kharkiv, following Russian bomb attacks that killed at least eight civilians, including a child in a playground.....

https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/31/europe/russian-bomb-attack-kharkiv-intl/index.html

Russian attack on Ukraine’s Kharkiv kills at least six, injures dozens​

A 14-year-old girl was among those killed, Interior Minister Igor Klymenko says, and 55 others were wounded.

A Russian attack on the the eastern Ukrainian city of Kharkiv has killed at least six people, including a 14-year-old girl, and wounded dozens of others, Ukrainian officials have said. “Occupiers killed a child right on the playground,” Kharkiv mayor Ihor Terekhov said in a statement on the Telegram messaging app on Friday. Three other people were killed in a 12-storey apartment block that caught fire as a result of the attack, he said.
“Unfortunately, the death toll has risen to six people,” Kharkiv regional Governor Oleg Synegubov said in a post on Telegram hours after the attack.
A 14-year-old girl was among those killed, Interior Minister Igor Klymenko said. At least 55 people were wounded, he said.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024...es-kharkiv-kills-at-least-four-injures-dozens
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Because there is a singular view without context. And no corroboration on the photo.

Saying that it has happened before doesn't prove anything except bias.
 
https://tass.com/world/1836383... I'm calling bullshit on this , using highways for a runway, yes it's possible but.... the entire area has to be policed of all, all debris that could possibly be ingested by an engine.....no,no, the F16s are flying out of nato countries...plain and simple....
 
Bulgarian 122-mm self-propelled howitzers (SPGs) 2S1 "Gvozdika" have been observed in use by Ukrainian forces, based on photos. There were no public announcements about Bulgaria supplying these SPGs to Ukraine. However, on March 6, Bulgarian military correspondent Tsvetan Alexandrov mentioned that military equipment from Bulgaria’s deep reserves was being sent to Ukraine, accompanied by a photo. Bulgaria had 48 of these guns as of 2024. It's likely that most of these have been sent to Ukraine.

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Buffalogurl said:
https://tass.com/world/1836383... I'm calling bullshit on this , using highways for a runway, yes it's possible but.... the entire area has to be policed of all, all debris that could possibly be ingested by an engine.....no,no, the F16s are flying out of nato countries...plain and simple....
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Disagree. Flying F16's off highways is straightforward, as is policing debris and clearing roads to allow this. It's not rocket science, it's practical and it makes a lot of sense.
 
ll74 said:
Because there is a singular view without context. And no corroboration on the photo.

Saying that it has happened before doesn't prove anything except bias.
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Plenty of corroboration from various news outlets, not to mention Ukrainian officials. Enough of this happens for real that there's no reason to make anything up.
 
ChloeTzang said:
Plenty of corroboration from various news outlets, not to mention Ukrainian officials. Enough of this happens for real that there's no reason to make anything up.
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Show me that picture with the context that the picture is corroborated.

I'm not saying that attacks on civilians didn't happen. I'm disputing that the picture is directly from such event

This is about as genuine as the video bB posted with the attack on a MAGA supporter with about as much scrutiny being applied.
 
It seems justice is served.... A report prepared by the Security Research Commission operating within the National Defence Department recommends abandoning the neutrality policy, which prevents participation in defence organizations and has become a burden for the defence industry. The second very important issue raised in the report is the negative impact of the neutrality policy on the export and re-export of arms. Due to the Swiss government's blockade on arms deliveries to Ukraine, the local defence industry suffered significant financial and reputational losses. In the case of ammunition for Gepard anti-aircraft systems, Germany found an ammunition supplier in Norway. In the meantime, the local part of the Rheinmetall group built a new ammunition factory in the country. This caused huge losses for the Swiss part of the group. Similarly, the situation affects companies like SwissP Defence AG, which produces very good sniper ammunition but cannot sell it to Ukraine. It is worth mentioning that the neutral country created a deterrent effect for potential foreign partners. Local regulations also blocked the export of weapons from other companies if they contained Swiss components. In such cases, fewer foreign entities may be willing to cooperate with Swiss companies in the future.

Seems the Swiss are having major second thoughts about this neutrality thing. As well they should. LOL

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/worl...S&cvid=66a75a5710254c3fb6cc74e07c285380&ei=21
 
There are 300 F-16 fighters stored at the Davis-Montham Air Force Boneyard. Gathering dust. Why are we not refurbishing them?

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This is interesting. Kills of Russian artillery has dropped right down. Ukraine has been consistently targeting Russian artillery for months and in general taking out 50-60 guns a day. Now down to 10? I can’t remember when the artillery kill count was ever this low, even back two years ago. I wonder if this is the impact of cutting the logistics routes thru Kursk oblast? There's all sorts of things that could be coming into play here besides that. Artillery ammo shortages - the Kerch ferry route has been cut too and trains aren't running across the bridge due to damage. Barrel shortage? Russian can't manufacture many replacement barrels, they do wear out, and Russian Army has been profligate with their artillery firing - they have always been an artillery army and have had no training in restraining their usage - if the barrels are going and there's no replacement, that gun is out. Especially if the barrel explodes. Which they do.

Hmmmmmm. Guess we will see if this was an anomaly or not over the next couple of weeks, but if it is indeed related to logistics, the Russians are screwed. The Ukraine attack into Kursk did have some logistical implications, so I guess we will see how all of this plays out.


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Clip of a Ukrainian UAV hitting a Moscow oil refinery.

Now, watch again and think about what stands out the most in this Moscow video of an AFU drone striking a Russian refinery in the middle of the day. Yep, it's what's missing. This is Moscow - a strategic oil refinery near the Russian capital. That drone is big and it's coming in low and slow. Apart from the machineguns, where are the drone defences? Over Ukraine, for example, Ukrainian PSU Mig-29's are downing Shaheed's in daylight. Where are the Russian fighter jets over Moscow? Ukrainian PSU Hind helicopters are in the air shooting down Shaheed's in daylight. Where are the Russian VKS Hind attack choppers over Moscow? Even old Ukrainian PSU Yak-52 trainers are in the air shooting down observation drones in daylight. Where are the Russian propeller trainer aircraft over Moscow?

Ukrainian Territorial Defense units are all over Ukraine for more than 18 months shooting down Shaheeds. Where are the Russian mobile anti-drone units in Moscow? Well, we can hear machineguns so maybe there are some. While Moscow is protected by a ring of 22 S-300/S-400 air defense sites, most of which should cover the refinery, and there are at least 9 recently redeployed Pantsir S1/S2 systems, these systems are not particularly good against low-flying drones - apparently they find it hard to pick them out from the ground clutter. Both should be able to shoot them down, and Pantsir should offer a more cost-effective solution, though with less range, but another likely issue is deconflicting the airspace and Russian operators being afraid they may accidentally shoot down a civilian target. Be bad PR to force Moscow Airport to close. LOL

The other issue is cost of course. Those missiles are expensive and that's the reason Ukraine doesn’t down Shadeds with PATRIOT. Russia won't waste multi million dollar AD missiles on drones that cost a fraction of that, but on the other hand if you don't and they get through, the cost of repairing an oil refinery - if it CAN be repaired, far outweighs that, so its damned if you do and damned if you don't for the Russians.

What happened here was that Moscow's obsolete in the face of drone swarm, missile based, defenses were hit with a drone saturation attack at low level on one axis. Specific S-300 & Pantsir batteries selected by AFU intelligence had their missile stores exhausted. Low, slow & cheap drones kept on coming on that route, russia expended its air defense systems in some areas and the next waves of drones flew in unopposed. Select targets were hit. The oil distillation cracking towers of the Kaputnya refinery (near impossible to repair with sanctions) near Moscow ate several AFU drones. More impact still, Ukrainian drones took out two major Moscow area power plants. ~86% of Russian railway freight is pulled by electric locomotive engines. No power in Moscow decapitates both the central rail hub for which there are no redundant rail line route-arounds, as well as the natural gas pipeline hub for the Russian federation. Russian electric engines on depowered rail lines block diesel engine trains.

Russia has a much larger exposed economic & logistical "cross section" compared to Ukraine. This means Ukraine has a much more massive target set to demolish via strategic drone bombing. It also means there are too many vital targets for Russian missile defenses to protect that were built with the Soviet Union's "One Big Plant" gigantism. Precision drone strikes on key power & gas infrastructure feeding those key plants will have disproportionate effects.

Now factor in that Ukraine has developed indigenous long range capacities exactly because of the Allies' lack of support for Ukraine's long range strikes. Obviously this did not take into account the fact that Ukraine has the technical and scientific skills to develop its own long-range strike weapons. As mass manufacturing of these comes on line, we can expect to see even more effective long range strikes on Russian airfields, military bases and infrastruucture.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1830259124690714957
 
Ukraine has been pleading for NATO partners to allow striking Russian military factories and airfields in Russia’s deep rear with western weapons but thanks to the intransigence and defeatism of the Biden Administration, permission has consistently been refused. Amid these constraints, Ukraine has plugged away at building its own domestic weapons production, creating a drone fleet that struck a Russian oil refinery 1,500 km from the Ukrainian border and the “drone missile” Palyanytsia, with a reported range of 700 km. Coupled with the reluctance of Ukraine’s Western allies to allow strikes on Russian military objects inside Russia, Ukraine has worked in overdrive to create a ballistic missile of its own since the Russian invasion and it seems this effort has been successful.

How many missiles Ukraine can produce is kept secret, but Zelenskyy’s announcement of the ballistic missile test means that Ukraine has the capacity and protected resources for such an undertaking.....

https://euromaidanpress.com/2024/08...-missile-breakthrough-can-alter-war-dynamics/
 
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