Worthy of discussion?

[Chobham]

This quote is worthy of some thought and discussion.

"I have spent all my life under a Communist regime, and I will tell you that a society without any objective legal scale is a terrible one indeed. But a society with no other scale but the legal one is not quite worthy of man either." - Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

 

[Wat_Tyler]

I think that sometimes the Goddess of Justice has teeny pinholes in her blindfold so she can take a peep. I wonder perhaps if we shouldn't gouge out the both of her eyes to solve the problem as I "see" it.

 

[Chobham]

Yes and no. Our justice system was based in large part on English common law, and the police were more often referred to as "Peace Officers" as opposed to "Law Officers." The difference was more than just the semantics. That all began to change in the late 60's.

Some police forces abused the "Peace Officer" title and selectively enforced the law on attributes other than criminal or un-peaceful activity, such as skin color, religion, etc. At the same time Congress that the various state legislatures started passing laws for everything and anything. Being arrested for damn near anything resulted in a laundry list of charges, many of which were only peripherally related to the actual offense.

Common law, while abused on occasion, was based on common sense with the goal of maintaining peace in the community. What we've transitioned to is more akin to Roman law were there has to be a law for everything.

Is there a middle ground?

 

[ExxWhyZee]

Dead white man

 

[Wat_Tyler]

I remember Peace Officers and I am familiar with and approve of the concept. I agree also that Common Law contains Common Sense. I remember a bit of nervous reaction at the supper table about things like the 1968 riots and Dick Dailey and that other Dick's law-n-order blather, and that's probably as accurate as any for a citation of when and where the wheels started coming off. They got really loose a few years earlier with the Civil Rights protests and the over-reactions thereto. Like everything else around here, it's been a slippery slope into chaos and mayhem with Lawlessness in the not-so-distant future. Maybe. I'm on the fence as to if it can be reined in.


Familial Decline has had a lot to do with the justification of the increase of the Police State since gummint has to step in to fill the void left by parents who aren't fit to nurse a little of puppies to maturity in charge of children. They seem too often to grow up entitled, rule less, and with no sense of cause and effect. So the cops fill the void. They don't want to, and aren't really trained to. They, the cops, start to treat everything as a crime and when met with argument or resistance . . . well, everything starts to look like a nail and so it gets the hammer.


You can tell the neighborhoods. Go out and take an extensive ride. Look for litter. If the streets look like no one gives a fuck, the residents most likely don't give a fuck, either, so neither will the cops.


Lots of cops around here should have stayed working the drive-through windows, but I'd wager they couldn't count out the change correctly.

 

[Bn2f]

Great just great.

Here 3 dumb white males, one admittedly not a property owner as well as probably the other 2 dummies, whitesplainin history on an early Sunday morn to complain about grievances when women’s suffrage went hand in hand with THEIR established law and minorities and those of lesser economic stature (HELLO! Non property owners) have always been the subjugated under every known modern legal system.

Puttin salt on my Frosted Flakes. GFY’s.

 

[John_von_Neumann]

This quote is worthy of some thought and discussion.

"I have spent all my life under a Communist regime, and I will tell you that a society without any objective legal scale is a terrible one indeed. But a society with no other scale but the legal one is not quite worthy of man either." - Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

Have another box of wine and tell us your analysis.

 

[Bn2f]

What you dumbasses mean to refer to are the Peelian Principles.

But that would mean that Black Lives Matter, the need for police reforms, and a police force that resembled a smart and gunless Andy Taylor rather than an anxious and excited bullet carrying Barney Fife.

Again. GFY’s.


Sir Robert Peel was instrumental in having the Act for Improving the Police in and Near the Metropolis (the Metropolitan Police Act) passed in the English Parliament in 1829.

1. The basic mission for which the police exist is to prevent crime and disorder.
2. The ability of the police to perform their duties depends on public approval of police actions.
3. Police must secure the willing cooperation of the public in voluntary observance of the law to be able to secure and maintain the respect of the public.
4. The degree of cooperation of the public that can be secured diminishes proportionately to the necessity to use physical force.
5. Police seek and preserve public favor not by catering to public opinion but by constantly demonstrating absolute impartial service to the law.
6. Police use of physical force to the extent necessary to secure observance of the law or to restore order only when the exercise of persuasion, advise and warning is found to be insufficient.
7. Police, at all times, should maintain a relationship with the public that gives reality to the historic tradition that the police are the public and the public are the police, the police being only members of the public who are paid to give full-time attention to duties which are incumbent on every citizen in the interests of community welfare and existence.
8. Police should always direct their attention strictly towards their functions and never appear to usurp the powers of the judiciary.
9. The test of police efficiency is the absence of crime and disorder, not the visible evidence of police action in dealing with it.