Why Biden Will Win

[adrina]

What are the questions I haven’t addressed in the subject of this thread?

I was explaining the situation as I see it and how I believe it is not only the right, legal, and natural choice, but also it can win 2024. A woman has already won the popular vote - America is ready.

It’s a long stretch to call me a misogynist. Your problem with me isn’t about gender.

What other questions do you have?

I never called you a misogynist. Another sensitivity apparently.

The concerns over getting on the ballot in all 50 states.
The reality that the GOP will fight any candidate transition in court.
The reality that this SCOTUS can't be trusted.
The reality that white men don't vote for women.
The reality that emotional men fucked up 2016 and are doing their damnedest for 2024.

You've put together a bit wish list and keep pushing it along with the narrative that Joe Biden is essentially an incapacitated potato but you won't address the very real logistical barriers to anyone else but Joe Biden. Nor are you even willing to consider any other perspective besides that Joe Biden = vegetable.

 

[jaF0]

Biden needs to step down

So, you're voting for Donny.

It’s her time.

I think we heard that in '16 and pretty much ended up here.

 

[Lazaran]

This:

I find it interesting how you have the neverending questions but never address any of the realities I've put forward.

And then:

What are the questions I haven’t addressed in the subject of this thread?

The realities are what you are failing to address.



adrina (and AOC of course) have outlined / highlighted those realities.

There is no small amount of magical thinking involved if one believes that everything will go smoothly / swimmingly regardless of how President Biden potentially exits the stage between now and the election.



Ultimately: Wouldn’t it just be easier AND safer for all those who claim they would rally behind Kamala and propel her to victory to rally behind the Biden / Harris ticket, and then, when President Biden inevitably falters immediately upon beginning his second term (right?), cheer as Kamala graciously accepts the passing of the torch ???



Bottom line: The Bernie Bros, etc, COULD HAVE easily propelled Hillary Clinton to victory in 2016, and this years version of the Bernie Bros, etc, CAN easily propel the Biden / Harris ticket to victory - IF they WANT TO…and IF they VOTE. The only thing really stopping them is petulance and stubbornness, imho.

 

[AlexBailey]

I never called you a misogynist. Another sensitivity apparently.

You made a point about gendering me. By saying “….yet another nervous, indignant, emotional etc pick your poison man.”

-No big deal but that’s what prompted my comment about not being misogynistic. My gender isn’t an issue here.

The concerns over getting on the ballot in all 50 states.
The reality that the GOP will fight any candidate transition in court.
The reality that this SCOTUS can't be trusted.
The reality that white men don't vote for women.
The reality that emotional men fucked up 2016 and are doing their damnedest for 2024.

I addressed all of these issues except for SCOTUS. Still, an incumbent Harris would make her campaign legal and legitimate.

….. but you won't address the very real logistical barriers to anyone else but Joe Biden.

Who could argue with incumbency?

Nor are you even willing to consider any other perspective besides that Joe Biden = vegetable.

I explained what I believe about Joe’s fitness. I’m not basing my opinion on anyone else’s analysis. I have considered it and addressed it.


I’m not being dismissive about your concerns, only your support and faith in an old man who is showing obvious traits of cognitive decline.

I see decline in Trump too but I never had faith in his fitness. I have great respect for Joe Biden.

 

[jaF0]

I have great respect for Joe Biden.

You don't show it very well.

 

[AlexBailey]

You don't show it very well.

Is it disrespectful to ask an 80 year old who has had a few fender benders to give up their keys?


The transition could be strong, it could restore and inspire support. Trump, the grifting, misogynist frump of a pussy grabbing slob vs the first woman president.

Fuckin’ stick it to Trump! Let a woman beat his ass. People could get behind that. We might flood the polls.

 

[adrina]

You made a point about gendering me. By saying “….yet another nervous, indignant, emotional etc pick your poison man.”

-No big deal but that’s what prompted my comment about not being misogynistic. My gender isn’t an issue here.

Yes you are a man. But that statement isn't calling you misogynist. It's calling you a nervous, indignant, emotional etc man.

I addressed all of these issues except for SCOTUS. Still, an incumbent Harris would make her campaign legal and legitimate.

SCOTUS is a big one. Your "explanation" requires a perfect world scenario. Which we don't have. Again, the GOP will fight to delay and we will lose ballot access in multiple states. The swing ones. And that will make Trump the winner.

If you think for one instance that SCOTUS will play fair, well 2016 ended that illusion.

Who could argue with incumbency?

This is willful ignorance. White men don't care about incumbancy when it comes to women. In fact they'd find it an excuse to get rid of her.

Do you think that men will suddenly vote for a women when almost 70% of them voted for Trump? Do you really see that happening?

I explained what I believe about Joe’s fitness. I’m not basing my opinion on anyone else’s analysis. I have considered it and addressed it.

Not really. You've equated him to a potato and said that we are telling you not to believe your eyes. As if eyes don't fool us and our brains don't misinterpret, or that we don't gain new perspectives. You've made your assessment and your assessment is that Joe Biden has already failed cognitively.

I’m not being dismissive about your concerns, only your support and faith in an old man who is showing obvious traits of cognitive decline.

Yes you are. You're putting your emotionalism over pragmatism. Just like they did in 2016. You're so "concerned" that you're not even taking the obvious route. Elect Joe, get Kamala. Re-elect Kamala once she's proven herself. If you think a woman will make it to the white house at this time without a VP slide in then you are being dishonest.

President Joe Biden is still notching wins for the American public and citizens. For "cognitive decline"... heh, there's a lot of folks who only wish they could be so able.

I see decline in Trump too but I never had faith in his fitness. I have great respect for Joe Biden.

I get that. But you don't have an understanding of reality and the logistics required to swap Biden out. This isn't a game of go fish or even 5 card stud. There are deadlines, filings and a lot of legal issues involved.

But the biggest one of all is that there is no consensus for a different candidate. None. And while we fuck around dealing with this emotional response all we are doing is shooting ourselves in the foot.

If we wanted change then we needed to be involved long before this. About 20 years ago. This is the result of an apathetic electorate and no amount of wishful thinking will fix it.

This is our bed. We made it. Don't get pissed you don't like the sheets now. It's a bit late for that.

 

[jaF0]

In order for Harris to be the incumbent, Joe would have to resign from office and she'd have to be sworn in.

 

[AlexBailey]

Yes you are a man. But that statement isn't calling you misogynist. It's calling you a nervous, indignant, emotional etc man.




SCOTUS is a big one. Your "explanation" requires a perfect world scenario. Which we don't have. Again, the GOP will fight to delay and we will lose ballot access in multiple states. The swing ones. And that will make Trump the winner.

If you think for one instance that SCOTUS will play fair, well 2016 ended that illusion.


This is willful ignorance. White men don't care about incumbancy when it comes to women. In fact they'd find it an excuse to get rid of her.

Do you think that men will suddenly vote for a women when almost 70% of them voted for Trump? Do you really see that happening?



Not really. You've equated him to a potato and said that you are telling us not to believe your eyes. As if eyes don't fool us and our brains don't misinterpret, or that we don't gain new perspectives. You've made your assessment and your assessment is that Joe Biden has already failed cognitively.



Yes you are. You're putting your emotionalism over pragmatism. Just like they did in 2016. You're so "concerned" that you're not even taking the obvious route. Elect Joe, get Kamala. Re-elect Kamala once she's proven herself. If you think a woman will make it to the white house at this time without a VP slide in then you are being dishonest.

President Joe Biden is still notching wins for the American public and citizens. For "cognitive decline"... heh, there's a lot of folks who only wish they could be so able.





There are deadlines, filings and a lot of legal issues involved.

But the biggest one of all is that there is no consensus for a different candidate.

This is the biggest issue that is solved by Biden stepping down and Harris becoming POTUS now, but you downplay it by saying not enough people will vote for a female candidate. You aren’t acknowledging that enough did in 2016.



Okay then, I guess the recalcitrant swing states call it. Biden 2024. He’s is going to lose a lot of young voters. Hopefully not enough for a Trump win….

 

[AlexBailey]

In order for Harris to be the incumbent, Joe would have to resign from office and she'd have to be sworn in.

️

 

[jaF0]

And the, we have this gem:

"Section 2 of the Twenty-fifth Amendment provides that "whenever there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice President, the President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vice_President_of_the_United_States


Does anyone think THIS House will ratify any VP selected by Harris?

 

[Lazaran]

But the biggest one of all is that there is no consensus for a different candidate. None. And while we fuck around dealing with this emotional response all we are doing is shooting ourselves in the foot

This ^ is getting reeeeeaaaally close to the situation in 2016 when petulant Bernie Bros slandered Hillary mercilessly, and then, when she lost the election, were all like -“What??? We didn’t do nuthin' wrong”. (Of course, we all know maaaaaany Bernie Bros didn’t even turn out to vote for Hillary in 2016 because "reasons".)

I’m really hoping that 2024 is more like 2020 than 2016.

Side note:

I wonder if the “Never Biden’s - (the left , some in the donor class, Rashida Tlaib and the "anti-Zionists", etc,) realized / realize the added / unnecessary stress they have been putting on President Biden right along.??? (I actually believe they did / do, and that they’re doing it for various self-serving reasons.)

Is it any wonder President Biden is worn down??? The "loyal" left, etc, saw to it that President Biden would be weakened in ALL respects, (imho.)



JFC

SAD!!!

 

[AlexBailey]

And the, we have this gem:

"Section 2 of the Twenty-fifth Amendment provides that "whenever there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice President, the President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vice_President_of_the_United_States


Does anyone think THIS House will ratify any VP selected by Harris?

I think it would be the only thing the house would discuss between now and the election, meanwhile an incumbent Harris campaign could name a VP candidate….

…but it won’t happen because some states won’t put her on the ballot.

 

[Lazaran]

In order for Harris to be the incumbent, Joe would have to resign from office and she'd have to be sworn in.

Continue…

Address all the other legal realities, etc,.

I’m interested.

AOC asked top lawyers for their take on the realities, and they were magically transformed into crickets.

What do you know that they didn’t / don’t???

 

[adrina]

This is the biggest issue that is solved by Biden stepping down and Harris becoming POTUS now, but you downplay it by saying not enough people will vote for a female candidate. You aren’t acknowledging that enough did in 2016.



Okay then, I guess the recalcitrant swing states call it. Biden 2024. He’s is going to lose a lot of young voters. Hopefully not enough for a Trump win….

70% didn't.

The rest of your wishful thinking is just that. Wishful thinking.

 

[dkovic77]

Thanks for the kind words. Proud to speak for the American majority.

Hardly the majority. It seems you need more schooling to understand concepts like that. Maybe you can be like Billy and go back to school.

The school might see you as a teacher’s aide of sorts, with your age and all. They won’t have to tell the kids that it’s possible they know more than you. You could address the 2028 convention and tell everyone how you learned something new. They will all ask how would they get a chance to learn something.

Oh wait, you were being funny again…I keep forgetting so little what you say is serious.

 

[dkovic77]

This is the biggest issue that is solved by Biden stepping down and Harris becoming POTUS now, but you downplay it by saying not enough people will vote for a female candidate. You aren’t acknowledging that enough did in 2016.

Ummm no way this current clown show of a House will be able to handle approval of a new Vice President. I’m not sure they could even put in a lunch order.

But it sure would put them in the spotlight and further show how they can’t get things done. Might be great! Must see TV.

 

[Bray123]

And the, we have this gem:

"Section 2 of the Twenty-fifth Amendment provides that "whenever there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice President, the President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vice_President_of_the_United_States


Does anyone think THIS House will ratify any VP selected by Harris?

That's interesting.
If President Harris cannot get a VP ratified by the MAGATs, could she continue without one? A VP doesn't have much to do after all.

The main task would be to ratify the next election in 2028. If there were no VP, the hand-over (if the Republican party could transform themselves back to a proper electable position again) could not take place and Harris would be President for life.

Suck it up MAGATs.

 

[Chernosoth]

I expect any Dem nominee will lose this year. What's left is how much they lose and who falls on the grenade. Their longshot hope is RFK reducing the Pub vote in swing states.

 

[dkovic77]

I expect any Dem nominee will lose this year. What's left is how much they lose and who falls on the grenade. Their longshot hope is RFK reducing the Pub vote in swing states.

Because why exactly? The alternative is a would be dictator- he said so himself.

The reason they hope Joe stays in because when folks aren’t energized and don’t show up Republicans win….. get independents and younger voters energized, especially the younger gen, ‘pubs go down hard.

Thanks, it’s been fun.

 

[subdudeme13]

Everybody with a brain (Read no MAGATs) should be donating if they can. Donating time or money.
I have been watching videos on Youtube of testimonials of veterans of WWII. I think of the guys at the beaches of Normandy. Trump calls them suckers and losers. WTF? Right now we need to get people registered to vote.

 

[Aglaopheme]

If they were about having the will of the people, they would stop trying to exclude folks from voting.

Let someone have a bottle of water.

Don’t clear the vote rolls in specific neighborhoods just so they have to re-register.

Allow them to vote on more than Election Day, those with hourly jobs won’t have flexibility to vote that day…salary folks have the flexibility…

Don’t forget trying to do away with Souls to the Polls.

 

[Aglaopheme]

This will be the reality thanks to the Heritage Foundation. Who wants that?

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-tru...lacing-biden-georgia-nevada-wisconsin-1919531

 

[MajorRewrite]

Tell me a Democratic path to the White House in the electoral college, in your eyes, this year?

The Democratic Party candidate will win every state that has abortion on the ballot.

 

[Aglaopheme]

The Democratic Party candidate will win every state that has abortion on the ballot.

I am not so sure that is true. These are the measures that will be on the ballot come November.

https://ballotpedia.org/2024_aborti...tate_context#Certified_for_the_ballot_in_2024