Did That Debate Change Your Vote.

[butters]

Professor Allan Lichtman — whose model has predicted 9 of the last 10 presidential elections — told CNN that replacing President Joe Biden “could not be more misguided.”

Calls for Biden to drop out have dominated coverage of CNN’s Biden-Trump debate last Thursday night after deadly early stumbles from President Biden set the tone.

But Lichtman — whose model has accurately predicted election results using what are called the “13 Keys” — said, on Monday’s edition of CNN News Central, that he has only become more certain that replacing Biden would almost guarantee victory for former President Donald Trump:

he goes on to point out how he makes his predictions, and to take Biden out of the running now would reduce dems' likelihood of winning by 2 of the 13 keys.
he also says that so many of those pundits have been wrong, citing the Clinton-Trump election race when they were determined Clinton had it in the bag, especially after the Access Hollywood tape, and that neither he nor the pundits are qualified neurologists to make calls about Biden's mental condition. He finishes up with stating Biden's capacity to do the job should be judged on 3.5 years of presidency, not 90 minutes.

https://www.mediaite.com/news/profe...taking-biden-out-could-not-be-more-misguided/

 

[butters]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...1&cvid=c0d27446ff224826ae948b752c319801&ei=54

President Biden to sit down with ABC friday

Biden will speak to "Good Morning America" and "This Week" anchor George Stephanopoulos for the interview. A first look will air on the Friday, July 5, edition of "World News Tonight with David Muir" with portions airing on Saturday and Sunday on "Good Morning America."

The extended interview will air Sunday, July 7, on "This Week" and Monday's episode of "Good Morning America."

 

[Deleted member 1215945]

Nope! Not at all! BIDEN HARRIS ALL THE WAY!!! Fornicate the CONVICTED FELON MAGA NAZI!

 

[RandyRebecca]

Think of Putin as Hitler, Biden as Roosevelt,Ukraine as The Sudetenland, and Trump as Chaimberlain.
Different people and land, similar motivations. Hitler wanted to create a 1,000 year Reich. Putin wants to recreate the Soviet Empire. Roosevelt wanted to supply arms to check Nazi expansion. Biden is trying to check Russian expansionism into Eastern Europe. Trump is stupid enough to believe that Putin will stop with just grabbing eastern Ukraine and Crimea.

You realize that Putin's family were in Leningrad at the time of the Nazi siege of that city, and had family members that died? And you compare him to Hitler? It's the Ukrainian regime that see Nazi collaborators as "Heroes of Ukraine".

Biden as Roosevelt is a hilarious thought. FDR saw the Soviets as Allies, while Biden is very anti-Russian. Also, FDR's negative side saw him do deals with Southern Democrats to back him in return for not backing any civil rights and anti-lynching legislation. So while FDR was far more progressive than Truman, Kennedy and Johnson when it came to foreign policy, he was much more reactionary than them when it came to civil rights in the US. Biden has been laughably bad on foreign policy, laughable and dangerous.

 

[RandyRebecca]

Lots of massacres in Russia as I said

https://www.ilholocaustmuseum.org/the-holocaust-in-the-soviet-union/

Pograms before that

Tough to be Jewish!

Concentration camps. Liberation. Films by allies made then not shown for 40 years.

Pograms in Russia against Jews were from the Tsarist days, i.e. before the revolution. And the US has some very ugly history of its own in that regard. For example, the 1921 Tulsa race massacre.

Trump didn't win easily on anything during this 'debate.'

Yes, he did. Trump won easily on foreign policy and inflation in the debate, no matter how much the dumb liberals go into denial about it. And what was that Biden remark about no US soldier dying on his watch? The liberals would have lost their minds had Trump said something similar.

There is no Far Left in the US worthy of discussion so we have to start with just rejecting that bullshit. Saying both sides do it is always bullshit since all conversations have a focus and we can always circle back around to whatever similar situation someone else wants to discuss.

Israel commit genocide against the Palestinians in Gaza in real time, with US support, and the Zionists say that any opposition to Israel is "anti-semitic". It is the duty of any decent person to call out the Zionist BS, and how they control US politicians on Capitol Hill through the likes of AIPAC. They have corrupted democracy in the US to a horrible extent. A lot of the opposition to Zionist genocide is from anti-Zionist Jews too, and that doesn't stop the smears from Israel and their lobbies.

The worst thing that Trump did in the debate was that "Biden is like a Palestinian, a bad Palestinian" remark.

The far left hates Jews because we’re seen as rich white capitalist oppressors.

The Jewish big business people are as bad as the Gentile big business people in exploiting the working class and lower middle class masses. Jewish workers are the allies of Gentile workers.

It's about class, not religion, not race and not nationality.

 

[Lazaran]

Pograms in Russia against Jews were from the Tsarist days, i.e. before the revolution. And the US has some very ugly history of its own in that regard. For example, the 1921 Tulsa race massacre.


Yes, he did. Trump won easily on foreign policy and inflation in the debate, no matter how much the dumb liberals go into denial about it. And what was that Biden remark about no US soldier dying on his watch? The liberals would have lost their minds had Trump said something similar.


Israel commit genocide against the Palestinians in Gaza in real time, with US support, and the Zionists say that any opposition to Israel is "anti-semitic". It is the duty of any decent person to call out the Zionist BS, and how they control US politicians on Capitol Hill through the likes of AIPAC. They have corrupted democracy in the US to a horrible extent. A lot of the opposition to Zionist genocide is from anti-Zionist Jews too, and that doesn't stop the smears from Israel and their lobbies.

The worst thing that Trump did in the debate was that "Biden is like a Palestinian, a bad Palestinian" remark.


The Jewish big business people are as bad as the Gentile big business people in exploiting the working class and lower middle class masses. Jewish workers are the allies of Gentile workers.

It's about class, not religion, not race and not nationality.

That ^ is a “TONNE” of rationalizations for Putin’s WAR CRIMES and violent anti-Semitism.



"Becky"

 

[RandyRebecca]

That ^ is a “TONNE” of rationalizations for Putin’s WAR CRIMES and violent anti-Semitism.



"Becky"

You're still in denial about last week's debate, not to mention the Ukraine mess.

You basically have no arguments at all beyond smears and falsehoods, because you don't have political arguments. Your whole attitude is attack and smear anybody who disagrees with you.

As for war crimes, Biden and Netanyahu are the worst today.

 

[adrina]

You're still in denial about last week's debate, not to mention the Ukraine mess.

You basically have no arguments at all beyond smears and falsehoods, because you don't have political arguments. Your whole attitude is attack and smear anybody who disagrees with you.

As for war crimes, Biden and Netanyahu are the worst today.

Darlin' you're just spreading Russian propaganda so bless your heart you're not in much of a position to make accusations, let alone talk about smears and falsehoods.

I agree with you about pro-choice and bodily autonomy but honestly on the other stuff you sound like you've got a premium subscription to RT.

 

[Lazaran]

You're still in denial about last week's debate, not to mention the Ukraine mess.

You basically have no arguments at all beyond smears and falsehoods, because you don't have political arguments. Your whole attitude is attack and smear anybody who disagrees with you.

As for war crimes, Biden and Netanyahu are the worst today.

Another "TONNE" of bullshit from a Russian troll that has been exposed.



I wonder if "Becky" will admit to / be honest about "her" country of origin.



"Becky"

 

[Sean Renaud]

Israel commit genocide against the Palestinians in Gaza in real time, with US support, and the Zionists say that any opposition to Israel is "anti-semitic". It is the duty of any decent person to call out the Zionist BS, and how they control US politicians on Capitol Hill through the likes of AIPAC. They have corrupted democracy in the US to a horrible extent. A lot of the opposition to Zionist genocide is from anti-Zionist Jews too, and that doesn't stop the smears from Israel and their lobbies.

The worst thing that Trump did in the debate was that "Biden is like a Palestinian, a bad Palestinian" remark.

Israel is commiting genocide against the Palestinians and its fucking disgusting. I don't recall Biden or any "Radical leftist" saying opposition to Israel is anti-semetic. The worst I've seen is Biden saying the young people protesting don'tknow their history. Which is probably true though entirely indefensible. Israel=/=All JEws. We really need to work harder to make that deliniation crystal clear. We are not claiming democracy isn't corrupted but honestly when you take a step back and think about it one of the few things the Left and Right mostly agree on is that democracy is corrupt. The only difference is the Left things the majority should win more often than not and the Right thinks the minority are morally superior by virtue of being a minority.

The worst Trump did in the debate is to say "Biden is like a Palestinian." Lets ignore all the things that Trump and his circle have said about how Israel shoudl deal with Palestine and just look at THAT statement.

If you are given two choices as a Palestinian/Muslim/Supporter/Sympathizer or honestly just plain decent human being you have two men. One man has offered the absolute weakest defense of your cause possible, delaying weapons to your murderers for a few weeks while losing support for that very action. THAT IS TOO EXTREME FOR THE OFFICE HE IS RUNNING FOR. The other guy is saying that for even that minor act of mercy (which is a massive upsell) he should be thrown in the pit to burn along side you.

You seriously see THAT as a choice? You do what you have to do to get to the next day.

 

[RandyRebecca]

Darlin' you're just spreading Russian propaganda

The classic Democratic smear "Oh, it's not me. It's not us. Look over there, it's Russia". Classic Hillary Clinton. Are Democrats actually capable of looking inwards at themselves and asking "What did we do wrong? How can we make ourselves better?". They just accuse critics of being Russians or listening to Russian propaganda. It's a load of BS, and you know it. They blame Russians so that they (i.e. the Democratic leaders, the DNC) don't have to change and they can keep blaming progressives and Russians for Democratic Party losses.

so bless your heart you're not in much of a position to make accusations, let alone talk about smears and falsehoods.

LOL.

I agree with you about pro-choice and bodily autonomy but honestly on the other stuff you sound like you've got a premium subscription to RT.

You say that when there's also CNN and Fox News watched by millions of Americans? LOL. The idea of "unbiased media" is a myth. They are all biased and partisan, and they are able to brainwash a lot of people.

 

[ll74]

You say that when there's also CNN and Fox News watched by millions of Americans? LOL. The idea of "unbiased media" is a myth. They are all biased and partisan, and they are able to brainwash a lot of people.

Except for rt.....of course

 

[Lazaran]

Darlin' you're just spreading Russian propaganda so bless your heart you're not in much of a position to make accusations, let alone talk about smears and falsehoods.

I agree with you about pro-choice and bodily autonomy but honestly on the other stuff you sound like you've got a premium subscription to RT.

I doubt RT has much of a principled opinion on “choice” or “bodily-autonomy” in America.

Besides, “choice” and “bodily autonomy” ARE wedge issues in America, so "Becky"probably isn’t constrained from advocating for either side of those issues by "her" Russian handlers: The war in Ukraine on the other hand…well…that is a whole different matter.



"Becky

 

[RandyRebecca]

Israel is commiting genocide against the Palestinians and its fucking disgusting.

It is.

I don't recall Biden or any "Radical leftist" saying opposition to Israel is anti-semetic.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/biden-condemns-antisemitic-protests-palestine-columbia-university/

The worst Trump did in the debate is to say "Biden is like a Palestinian." Lets ignore all the things that Trump and his circle have said about how Israel shoudl deal with Palestine and just look at THAT statement.

If you are given two choices as a Palestinian/Muslim/Supporter/Sympathizer or honestly just plain decent human being you have two men. One man has offered the absolute weakest defense of your cause possible, delaying weapons to your murderers for a few weeks while losing support for that very action. THAT IS TOO EXTREME FOR THE OFFICE HE IS RUNNING FOR. The other guy is saying that for even that minor act of mercy (which is a massive upsell) he should be thrown in the pit to burn along side you.

You seriously see THAT as a choice? You do what you have to do to get to the next day.

You shouldn't vote for either Biden or Trump. It's that simple. Evil or evil = Evil.

This thing of "vote for the lesser evil" means that evil always wins. Reject it.

 

[RandyRebecca]

Except for rt.....of course

No. They are biased too.

 

[adrina]

The classic Democratic smear "Oh, it's not me. It's not us. Look over there, it's Russia". Classic Hillary Clinton. Are Democrats actually capable of looking inwards at themselves and asking "What did we do wrong? How can we make ourselves better?". They just accuse critics of being Russians or listening to Russian propaganda. It's a load of BS, and you know it. They blame Russians so that they (i.e. the Democratic leaders, the DNC) don't have to change and they can keep blaming progressives and Russians for Democratic Party losses.


LOL.


You say that when there's also CNN and Fox News watched by millions of Americans? LOL. The idea of "unbiased media" is a myth. They are all biased and partisan, and they are able to brainwash a lot of people.

Blah blah blah.

Sorry toots, I see what I see. You don't have to like it.

HRC was right about most things. Heh. Just as a by the by.

 

[RandyRebecca]

I doubt RT has much of a principled opinion on “choice” or “bodily-autonomy” in America.

Besides, “choice” and “bodily autonomy” ARE wedge issues in America, so "Becky"probably isn’t constrained from advocating for either side of those issues by "her" Russian handlers: The war in Ukraine on the other hand…well…that is a whole different matter.



"Becky

Lazaran, if anyone on this forum works for the security services, it's you. Just your whole method of personal attack, and your pro-Democratic Party/military industrial complex propaganda, not to mention how eager you were about a year ago to have the FBI knocking on my door for daring to have a socialist opinion that opposes the establishment liberals in the Democratic Party. You're not very good at hiding what you are.

 

[RandyRebecca]

HRC was right about most things.

Like blaming Russians for all her failures instead of looking inwards at herself?

What I said was the truth. The Democrats' whole attitude is why they are in their current mess. They hid Biden's real mental state from the American people, and forced Biden as the 2024 candidate through the primaries, and then panicked after the debate last week, with some even suggesting that Biden be removed and some other candidate enforced, i.e. above the rank and file again, of course. This is what happens when the Democrats can't look inwards at themselves, and always seem to resort to blaming Russians for their failures.

 

[Lazaran]

Lazaran, if anyone on this forum works for the security services, it's you. Just your whole method of personal attack, and your pro-Democratic Party/military industrial complex propaganda, not to mention how eager you were about a year ago to have the FBI knocking on my door for daring to have a socialist opinion that opposes the establishment liberals in the Democratic Party. You're not very good at hiding what you are.

STILL no answer from "Becky" as to "her" country of origin.



"Becky"



Here, I’ll go first.

I was born and raised in AMERICA and I am NOT affiliated with any three letter government agency.

And I use “ton” rather than “TONNE” in sentences.

"Becky’s" turn.



"Becky"

 

[adrina]

Like blaming Russians for all her failures instead of looking inwards at herself?

What I said was the truth. The Democrats' whole attitude is why they are in their current mess. They hid Biden's real mental state from the American people, and forced Biden as the 2024 candidate through the primaries, and then panicked after the debate last week, with some even suggesting that Biden be removed and some other candidate enforced, i.e. above the rank and file again, of course. This is what happens when the Democrats can't look inwards at themselves, and always seem to resort to blaming Russians for their failures.

I'm not blaming Russia for the democratic party failures - JFC that's a hell of a leap. That's the propaganda defensiveness. The reality is that you are spewing Russian propaganda and that Russia would love to weaken the US. That's just fact.

The democrats have their own problems. Just like you do. Everything is the democrat's fault to you. And since the Russian propaganda echoes those thoughts, you pick up and transmit.

Whatevs, you can blame Biden and the democrats for the end of the world if it makes you feel better. You'd be wrong but you've already shown that's your angle and grievance.

 

[RandyRebecca]

STILL no answer from "Becky" as to "her" country of origin.

USA, and my origins are American, Irish and British (English and Welsh). It's in my profile.

Here, I’ll go first.

I was born and raised in AMERICA and I am NOT affiliated with any three letter government agency.

Really? Are you sure about that? If you're telling the truth, lay off the personal attacks and baseless accusations FFS, and try some political debate. The fact is, Biden messed up last week in the debate. Going into denial about that is just ridiculous.

And I use “ton” rather than “TONNE” in sentences.

"Becky’s" turn.

I've used ton and tonne. Your hysteria about my use of tonne is rather amusing.

 

[RandyRebecca]

I'm not blaming Russia for the democratic party failures - JFC that's a hell of a leap. That's the propaganda defensiveness. The reality is that you are spewing Russian propaganda and that Russia would love to weaken the US. That's just fact.

I'm speaking the truth as I see it. As for us in the US, there's a difference between the interests of the American billionaires, and the interests of working class and lower middle class Americans. They are completely different. The main enemy is at home, not over in Russia. We are in the heart of the beast in the US.

The democrats have their own problems. Just like you do.

My problems are all the work and all the financial payments, which are never ending.

Everything is the democrat's fault to you.

The Democrats pretend to be on our side, that's why, yet in some ways they are worse. They have this horrible tendency to blame all their failures on hostile foreigners like the Russians, or on progressives, just so they themselves can continue sabotaging people like Bernie Sanders in favor of Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden. The reality is that Sanders would have beaten Trump in 2016, because Sanders would have focused on policy and not personal attacks. The DNC clearly prefers Trump as president to Sanders as president. That is clear.

The Republicans have been deranged ever since Reagan took over the party, yet Trump is different to Reagan in many ways. Reagan was in favor of free trade, in favor of immigration, in favor of seemingly endless foreign wars. Trump is protectionist, is against most immigration (and hardening his position on that over time), and thinks most foreign wars are "a waste of billions and billions of dollars".

What I've just described seems to go over the heads of most of my critics on this forum.

Whatevs, you can blame Biden and the democrats for the end of the world if it makes you feel better. You'd be wrong but you've already shown that's your angle and grievance.

When the Democrats lose, they will try to blame Russians and progressives again. That is obvious.

When Obama became president, the Democrats controlled the Presidency, the Senate and the House. Why didn't they do things then like codify Roe v Wade? They obviously didn't want to.

 

[Lazaran]

USA, and my origins are American, Irish and British (English and Welsh). It's in my profile.


Really? Are you sure about that? If you're telling the truth, lay off the personal attacks and baseless accusations FFS, and try some political debate. The fact is, Biden messed up last week in the debate. Going into denial about that is just ridiculous.


I've used ton and tonne. Your hysteria about my use of tonne is rather amusing.

"Becky" obviously doesn’t realize that decent, intelligent, individuals have long since abandoned civil debate with "her" and are now simply, trolling, mocking, and calling out "her" indefensible rationalizations involving Putin and Russia, etc.



. "Becky"



And it’s “ton”, not "TONNE".



"Becky

 

[Lazaran]

I'm speaking the truth as I see it. As for us in the US, there's a difference between the interests of the American billionaires, and the interests of working class and lower middle class Americans. They are completely different. The main enemy is at home, not over in Russia. We are in the heart of the beast in the US.


My problems are all the work and all the financial payments, which are never ending.


The Democrats pretend to be on our side, that's why, yet in some ways they are worse. They have this horrible tendency to blame all their failures on hostile foreigners like the Russians, or on progressives, just so they themselves can continue sabotaging people like Bernie Sanders in favor of Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden. The reality is that Sanders would have beaten Trump in 2016, because Sanders would have focused on policy and not personal attacks. The DNC clearly prefers Trump as president to Sanders as president. That is clear.

The Republicans have been deranged ever since Reagan took over the party, yet Trump is different to Reagan in many ways. Reagan was in favor of free trade, in favor of immigration, in favor of seemingly endless foreign wars. Trump is protectionist, is against most immigration (and hardening his position on that over time), and thinks most foreign wars are "a waste of billions and billions of dollars".

What I've just described seems to go over the heads of most of my critics on this forum.


When the Democrats lose, they will try to blame Russians and progressives again. That is obvious.

When Obama became president, the Democrats controlled the Presidency, the Senate and the House. Why didn't they do things then like codify Roe v Wade? They obviously didn't want to.

Poor "Becky"



Poor Putin



"Becky" and Putin

 

[adrina]

I'm speaking the truth as I see it. As for us in the US, there's a difference between the interests of the American billionaires, and the interests of working class and lower middle class Americans. They are completely different. The main enemy is at home, not over in Russia. We are in the heart of the beast in the US.


My problems are all the work and all the financial payments, which are never ending.


The Democrats pretend to be on our side, that's why, yet in some ways they are worse. They have this horrible tendency to blame all their failures on hostile foreigners like the Russians, or on progressives, just so they themselves can continue sabotaging people like Bernie Sanders in favor of Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden. The reality is that Sanders would have beaten Trump in 2016, because Sanders would have focused on policy and not personal attacks. The DNC clearly prefers Trump as president to Sanders as president. That is clear.

The Republicans have been deranged ever since Reagan took over the party, yet Trump is different to Reagan in many ways. Reagan was in favor of free trade, in favor of immigration, in favor of seemingly endless foreign wars. Trump is protectionist, is against most immigration (and hardening his position on that over time), and thinks most foreign wars are "a waste of billions and billions of dollars".

What I've just described seems to go over the heads of most of my critics on this forum.


When the Democrats lose, they will try to blame Russians and progressives again. That is obvious.

When Obama became president, the Democrats controlled the Presidency, the Senate and the House. Why didn't they do things then like codify Roe v Wade? They obviously didn't want to.

So pull the Cartman. This is the reality we live in. You don't like either but you spend 99% of your time bashing democrats.

The reason Sanders didn't beat Trump is because his voters didn't vote. That's the real issue. You want to blame democrats for Sander's loss but the real power always is and always was with the voters. When they can be fucked to vote that is.

Again, less than 15% of Sander's supporters showed up to vote for him in ALL primaries that were held across the country. From the first state to the last. They stayed home. And you think it's the democrat's fault.

Frankly if this is how America and Americans think then the country deserves to go down the drain. You deserve to lose your freedoms, your ability to vote and even your ability to shop til you drop.

As for Roe, check the goddamn numbers. Fucking A. They didn't have them. (Would have been helpful for the "electorate" to have voted, but voting doesn't matter... it's all rigged amirite.)

Again this rabid dog with a bone "everything bad is the democrats fault because they didn't stop it!" Even though the citizens couldn't even be bothered to do the one goddamn thing to save their sorry ever bitching and moaning asses: vote.

Fuck off with that bullshit.