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Personal acts are not immune. “Official” acts are immune.
SCOTUS watch thread: Trump immunity, Capitol riot defendants, abortion, censorship
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Personal acts are not immune. “Official” acts are immune.
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So, now, we could get no hearing on the President's coup, and Biden is free to tell Seal Team Six to go out to do his bidding?? There's no way a court hearing on THAT could occur before the election. Hell, he could pardon himself moments later! YUP! This is my goal for the power of the executive!! Biden just has to make it an OFFICIAL ACT ??
The lower court should already have started separating anything "official" from things that Trump did that were certainly NOT OFFICIAL. Calling an election official as President and asking him to "find" votes? Not official. Done. Can we move on, and sentence the piece of shit, then the People can vote. If they want the shit in the oval, so be it.
What official act did the President NOT take, as Commander in Chief? Ummmmmmmmmmmmm ???
A grand jury already wasted time on the question of whether this should be tried in court.
Move on with it!
As soon as this court proves themselves poor representatives, the campaign becomes FOUR MORE JUSTICES.
How? The Senate Rule of Filibuster is the first to go! Rule by the minority must end!
The lower court should already have started separating anything "official" from things that Trump did that were certainly NOT OFFICIAL. Calling an election official as President and asking him to "find" votes? Not official. Done. Can we move on, and sentence the piece of shit, then the People can vote. If they want the shit in the oval, so be it.
What official act did the President NOT take, as Commander in Chief? Ummmmmmmmmmmmm ???
A grand jury already wasted time on the question of whether this should be tried in court.
Move on with it!
As soon as this court proves themselves poor representatives, the campaign becomes FOUR MORE JUSTICES.
How? The Senate Rule of Filibuster is the first to go! Rule by the minority must end!
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They did succeed in kicking the can down to the lower courts, past the election, in a couple of cases.
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RoryN
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For fuck's sake...yikes.
Is this now the official moment when our democracy jumped the shark?
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RoryN
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I mean...it's technically dead, right? Taken to its logical conclusion, no democracy any longer?
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I figured they'd rule this way on immunity...the issue is going to come down to courts not having the balls to recognize official versus non officual when it's obvious to most. 45 calling the GA governor to find precisely the number of votes he needed to win was not official....it was clearly as a candidate looking to win rather than to enforce integrity of elections....but I doubt any court would dare say so
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Sadly, I think so.
I do think this will actually hurt Trump’s chances of getting elected. Nothing like giving a convicted felon free rein (Don’t auto correct me, I meant reign). We shall see.
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This is your OPINION. The court said otherwise and did so quite clearly and even cited to precedent (Trump v. Hawaii) so this is NOT new. They then sent the case back to the trial court to flesh out whether the phone calls to Georgia officials were within the scope of Trump's official duties.
I'm betting we'll find out that they were. You can believe otherwise on that if your TDS won't let go, but the lawfare is over. You guys on the Left, lost. And you lost bigly.
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I also think Sotomayor's warning should be taken with a grain of salt. The President isn't completely immune for all his actions. Should a President order Seal Team 6 to assassinate a political rival, that decision and action would be subject to impeachment and removal from office.
There is also a saving grace inherent in those who get elected to the office of President; they tend to not be stupid enough to do that sort of thing.
There is also a saving grace inherent in those who get elected to the office of President; they tend to not be stupid enough to do that sort of thing.
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^^^^
You're celebrating the idea of a President being able to overturn the results of an election.
Perfect example of Deplorable values. Thank you for proving us right since 2016 about you people.
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I don't think so. The R's knew he was immune and that the SCOTUS now says so only proves they were right.
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The Supremes talked about this. They said there was a presumption of immunity unless it could be shown that the acts didn't fall within the penumbra of official duties. They also said that mere allegations that it doesn't fall within the scope of those duties isn't enough to overcome the presumption.
So a difference of opinion regarding the phone calls being official or not isn't going to be good enough.
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Committing, or ordering others to commit an act against a political opponent is not an official act, no matter how you try to frame it under something like 'national security'.
The SCROTes simply punted. Again. All this time and they said nothing different.
The SCROTes simply punted. Again. All this time and they said nothing different.
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Saying "find me xxx votes" is not an official act. It's that simple. There is no way to explain to anyone otherwise.
So if the presumption is that it is an official act, I would expect that the judge will add their reasoning to think this doesn't overcome that presumption and will absolutely be full of shit.
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Saying “this is your OPINION” followed by several options of your own is such a harpy thing to do.
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^^^^
You're celebrating the idea of a President being able to overturn the results of an election.
Perfect example of Deplorable values. Thank you for proving us right since 2016 about you people.
I'm celebrating that the rule of law has prevailed.
I'm sorry (not) about your impending departure from Lit after November.
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Biden has just ordered Seal Team 6 to take out Trump.
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Nope.
Please read the US Constitution for once in your horrid fishwife life. Concentrate on Article II, Section 4. In it you'll note that a President can be tried and found guilty of Treason, Bribery, High Crimes, and Misdemeanors. Actively engaging in sedition or armed insurrection would fit under those categories.
However, the ONLY remedy for a President doing so is impeachment and removal.
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Horseshit. If the ruling had benefitted a former Dem President in the same spot, you'd be filling your diaper right now.
You sound very confident of this.
Why don't you join the wager, then?
(We know why you won't.)
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