project 2025... brown shirts and black boots

[HisArpy]

Technically true and moving to have an abortion is super easy in the first trimester. But even you must admit draconian policies in some states have made getting the pregnancy medical care a woman may need near impossible. I mean Alabama, I think, made a law that if an Alabama resident went out of state to get an abortion to save the woman’s life she’d be breaking the law. And in a mid eastern coastal state there’s an AA guy running on zero abortion. He’s saying he don’t care how that baby got in the womb, that it’s the woman’s fault for not keeping her legs together period full stop no matter if she was raped or the victim of sexual abuse by step daddy and it’s not her body anymore. How fucked up is that? Or are you ok with it?

I have issues with both of your examples because neither, IMO, are Constitutional.

That doesn't, however, rule out the remaining 48 states as a possible new state of residence.

It's also not "technically true" since anyone can pack their shit and move without having to ask permission first. Nor is money required because the homeless do it all the time. As do illegal migrants. There's even a history here in the US of the Underground Railroad whereby people were moved from the South northward and westward in some cases. All done without cost to those in transit. So we're talking about a political narrative without any real substance when you mention that it's "technically true" because the truth is that all anyone has to do, is do it.

 

[Bn2f]

I have issues with both of your examples because neither, IMO, are Constitutional.

That doesn't, however, rule out the remaining 48 states as a possible new state of residence.

It's also not "technically true" since anyone can pack their shit and move without having to ask permission first. Nor is money required because the homeless do it all the time. As do illegal migrants.

Telling someone to pack and move is disingenuous in its application, I would argue, like ANY freakin time it is used. Also, being homeless is not a virtue one should ever aspire for even if, as you ignorantly argue, it allows one the freedom of movement from one underpass to another.

 

[butters]

Do you need to be put on ignore? I don't think you do. Occasionally you are quite humorous. Oh sure you don't mean to be at this point, but mirth is mirth.

You want to be a bigger pain in the ass than you are because it makes you feel important.

Butters seems to trigger you idiots.

T&P

oh hell, what did i do now?

i don't have the patience you guys still possess to deal with the zombie horde so ignore's my option.
still, given the funny replies i read from y'all means sometimes i'll occasionally click to view their dumbness...but always come away with a confirmed sense of why i have them on ignore.

 

[adrina]

oh hell, what did i do now?

i don't have the patience you guys still possess to deal with the zombie horde so ignore's my option.
still, given the funny replies i read from y'all means sometimes i'll occasionally click to view their dumbness...but always come away with a confirmed sense of why i have them on ignore.

We have to give them credit for one thing: when they commit to a stick being lodged up their ass they really do commit!

 

[butters]

We have to give them credit for one thing: when they commit to a stick being lodged up their ass they really do commit!

a stick? damn, they go the whole branch!

 

[adrina]

a stick? damn, they go the whole branch!

Poor tree.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

No way should Trump be elected and the people who conceived of these policies should never see a position in government.

 

[PaxNurgle]

This is nothing but lies.

Abortion is still LEGAL in all 50 states. Further, if you want to abort but the state you're in limits abortion to only those medically necessary then FUCKING MOVE to a state which doesn't and which will allow you to have an abortion.

It's not that hard to understand. Unless you're a numbskull with an agenda to sow propaganda.

No, it is not still legal in all 50 states.

It's actually illegal in Idaho, Alabama, Florida and about 10 other states. And in many of these states (including Idaho) doctors can actually be charged with murder even if they perform an abortion to save a woman's life, and also, a pregnant 11 year old who was molested by a family member is required to carry her pregnancy to term.

Many low-income people trapped in such states lack the easy ability to pack up and move, or even travel to neighboring states for a legal abortion- and keep in mind that even this circumventing of abortion bans can lead to criminal charges in some states.

This is the way it is NOW. You have not kept up with the news.

However, the aims of Project 2025 are to spread the draconian laws now in place in the above mentioned states, to the rest of the country. Along with, simultanously banning all forms of contraception. NATIONWIDE. They have ACTUALLY STATED THAT THEY WANT TO DO THIS. This is intolerable- pure Taliban/north Korea-style repression in action. The only "propaganda" here is a call to action to do what we can to prevent these people from obtaining power in the first place, and fighting back any way we can.

 

[RobDownSouth]

I have issues with both of your examples because neither, IMO, are Constitutional.

^^^ Always good to see HisArpy pay lip service to the Constitution.

That doesn't, however, rule out the remaining 48 states as a possible new state of residence.

"Just Fucking Move" is the new catchphrase of the MAGA Republican.
It only seems to apply to women, sadly.

 

[jomar]

I have issues with both of your examples because neither, IMO, are Constitutional.

That doesn't, however, rule out the remaining 48 states as a possible new state of residence.

It's also not "technically true" since anyone can pack their shit and move without having to ask permission first. Nor is money required because the homeless do it all the time. As do illegal migrants. There's even a history here in the US of the Underground Railroad whereby people were moved from the South northward and westward in some cases. All done without cost to those in transit. So we're talking about a political narrative without any real substance when you mention that it's "technically true" because the truth is that all anyone has to do, is do it.

So one element of your argument is that a woman who finds herself pregnant from rape or has a medically dangerous pregnancy should quit her job, sell her condo and move to a pro choice state so she can have the abortion and do it all in the first trimester, or even uproot her hubby and kids to do so. Another element of your argument basically advocates for an Underground Railroad for women who need abortion! Zany!

But, thanks for admitting you’re in favor of the states draconian anti abortion laws.

 

[HisArpy]

No, it is not still legal in all 50 states.

It's actually illegal in Idaho, Alabama, Florida and about 10 other states. And in many of these states (including Idaho) doctors can actually be charged with murder even if they perform an abortion to save a woman's life, and also, a pregnant 11 year old who was molested by a family member is required to carry her pregnancy to term.

Many low-income people trapped in such states lack the easy ability to pack up and move, or even travel to neighboring states for a legal abortion- and keep in mind that even this circumventing of abortion bans can lead to criminal charges in some states.

This is the way it is NOW. You have not kept up with the news.

However, the aims of Project 2025 are to spread the draconian laws now in place in the above mentioned states, to the rest of the country. Along with, simultanously banning all forms of contraception. NATIONWIDE. They have ACTUALLY STATED THAT THEY WANT TO DO THIS. This is intolerable- pure Taliban/north Korea-style repression in action. The only "propaganda" here is a call to action to do what we can to prevent these people from obtaining power in the first place, and fighting back any way we can.

This is a lie.

An abortion can be performed in ALL 50 states IF it meets the criteria that allows one to be performed.

The fact that abortion is heavily restricted in some states is NOT the same as "illegal."

Please try to keep up.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

This is a lie.

No it is not. Twice you've been shown the facts, but then again you still refuse to acknowledge facts about Water, Electricity and the Stock Market. ...

 

[HisArpy]

So one element of your argument is that a woman who finds herself pregnant from rape or has a medically dangerous pregnancy should quit her job, sell her condo and move to a pro choice state so she can have the abortion and do it all in the first trimester, or even uproot her hubby and kids to do so. Another element of your argument basically advocates for an Underground Railroad for women who need abortion! Zany!

But, thanks for admitting you’re in favor of the states draconian anti abortion laws.

This is not what I said nor would your hypothetical be correct under the current state of abortion law in some jurisdictions.

A woman who becomes pregnant from rape can have an abortion in all 50 states. Look it up if you choose to follow the ignorant herd and disbelieve me. This reduces your hypothetical to ashes because it's based on a false premise.

All Dobbs did was return the issue of abortion to the states. As in all things regarding the law, if the state you reside in is doing things you don't agree with politically you have 1 of 3 possible choices;

1. suck it up and live with it as best you can;
2. become politically active and try to change the law;
3. move.

There is no 4th option where you can do whatever the fuck you feel like doing with impunity.


Also, I have been clear that I do not believe Dobbs was correctly decided. I personally believe abortion is a protected 4th Amendment Right in that it is contained in the Right to privacy in your person, houses, and effects. Dobbs, however, is the law and I do not and cannot advocate violating the law.

 

[RobDownSouth]

This is a lie.

An abortion can be performed in ALL 50 states IF it meets the criteria that allows one to be performed.

The fact that abortion is heavily restricted in some states is NOT the same as "illegal."

Please try to keep up.

Hey HisArpy, suppose you had essentially no concrete guidelines on what you were permitted to do in the courtroom...
And after every case you'd be subject to review by a board of doctors who are NOT versed in legal matters...
and IF these doctors found you made a "legal error" you'd lose you license...
Could you function as a licensed professional under these intentionally vague conditions?

Well, that's what the Texas Supreme Court did to doctors in Texas. They will not give any guidance or rules BEFORE a doctor performs an abortion procedure, but they reserve the right to pass judgment AFTER the procedure.

The Texas legislature deliberately made the guidelines for abortion intentionally vague.
It's not "de jure" banning, it is most certainly "de facto" banning. "Chilling affect" and all that.

No doctor (or lawyer) would practice under these conditions.

So take your "meet the criteria" blather, shine it up real good, turn it sideways, and stick it up your judgmental ass.

p.s Someone please quote this post, brave HisArpy has me on ignore because I gore his ox too often.

 

[DeluxAuto]

This is a lie.

An abortion can be performed in ALL 50 states IF it meets the criteria that allows one to be performed.

The fact that abortion is heavily restricted in some states is NOT the same as "illegal."

Please try to keep up.

It's illegal for a woman and her doctor to make that choice, Derpy.

Please try to keep up.

 

[adrina]

 

[jomar]

This is a lie.

An abortion can be performed in ALL 50 states IF it meets the criteria that allows one to be performed.

The fact that abortion is heavily restricted in some states is NOT the same as "illegal."

Please try to keep up.

True. But you’re ok with it because “it’s the law!”

This is not what I said nor would your hypothetical be correct under the current state of abortion law in some jurisdictions.

A woman who becomes pregnant from rape can have an abortion in all 50 states. Look it up if you choose to follow the ignorant herd and disbelieve me. This reduces your hypothetical to ashes because it's based on a false premise.

All Dobbs did was return the issue of abortion to the states. As in all things regarding the law, if the state you reside in is doing things you don't agree with politically you have 1 of 3 possible choices;

1. suck it up and live with it as best you can;
2. become politically active and try to change the law;
3. move.

There is no 4th option where you can do whatever the fuck you feel like doing with impunity.


Also, I have been clear that I do not believe Dobbs was correctly decided. I personally believe abortion is a protected 4th Amendment Right in that it is contained in the Right to privacy in your person, houses, and effects. Dobbs, however, is the law and I do not and cannot advocate violating the law.

You refuse to acknowledge that some folk are running on no abortion period platforms. And did you miss that Texas case where an abortion was denied in a case where the fetus had a 100% fatal genetic condition? Where is the logic n that?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/texas-woman-sought-abortion-court-order-leave-state-rcna129087

So congrats and good job on your abortion is legal in all 50 states as long as the woman fits the ever narrowing criteria.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/us/abortion-laws-roe-v-wade.html

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/articles/a-guide-to-abortion-laws-by-state

As for the bolded, I must have missed your objection to Dobbs. But I doubt it.

 

[DeluxAuto]

But you’re ok with it because “it’s the law!”

He would have to understand it before being ok with it. Well, a reasonable person would have to be but Derpy is a good little MAGAt.

 

[dmallord]

Hey HisArpy, suppose you had essentially no concrete guidelines on what you were permitted to do in the courtroom...
And after every case you'd be subject to review by a board of doctors who are NOT versed in legal matters...
and IF these doctors found you made a "legal error" you'd lose you license...
Could you function as a licensed professional under these intentionally vague conditions?

Well, that's what the Texas Supreme Court did to doctors in Texas. They will not give any guidance or rules BEFORE a doctor performs an abortion procedure, but they reserve the right to pass judgment AFTER the procedure.

The Texas legislature deliberately made the guidelines for abortion intentionally vague.
It's not "de jure" banning, it is most certainly "de facto" banning. "Chilling affect" and all that.

No doctor (or lawyer) would practice under these conditions.

So take your "meet the criteria" blather, shine it up real good, turn it sideways, and stick it up your judgmental ass.

p.s Someone please quote this post, brave HisArpy has me on ignore because I gore his ox too often.

Done.
Though he isn't fond of me either. Perhaps @HisArpy still monitors. So, here you go.

 

[HisArpy]

True. But you’re ok with it because “it’s the law!”


You refuse to acknowledge that some folk are running on no abortion period platforms. And did you miss that Texas case where an abortion was denied in a case where the fetus had a 100% fatal genetic condition? Where is the logic n that?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/texas-woman-sought-abortion-court-order-leave-state-rcna129087

So congrats and good job on your abortion is legal in all 50 states as long as the woman fits the ever narrowing criteria.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/us/abortion-laws-roe-v-wade.html

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/articles/a-guide-to-abortion-laws-by-state

As for the bolded, I must have missed your objection to Dobbs. But I doubt it.

Of course I'm ok with it, it's the law and a violation of the law carries criminal penalties.

The question is why you're not ok with obeying the law. Are you so important that you think you can just do as you please and fuck the rest of the world? Lemmee tell ya, life don't work like that.

My objection to Dobbs is all over the place, as is my position on abortion. If you didn't see it, it's because you didn't bother to look and instead ascribed a lie onto me. That's all on you.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Hey HisArpy, suppose you had essentially no concrete guidelines on what you were permitted to do in the courtroom...
And after every case you'd be subject to review by a board of doctors who are NOT versed in legal matters...
and IF these doctors found you made a "legal error" you'd lose you license...
Could you function as a licensed professional under these intentionally vague conditions?

Well, that's what the Texas Supreme Court did to doctors in Texas. They will not give any guidance or rules BEFORE a doctor performs an abortion procedure, but they reserve the right to pass judgment AFTER the procedure.

The Texas legislature deliberately made the guidelines for abortion intentionally vague.
It's not "de jure" banning, it is most certainly "de facto" banning. "Chilling affect" and all that.

No doctor (or lawyer) would practice under these conditions.

So take your "meet the criteria" blather, shine it up real good, turn it sideways, and stick it up your judgmental ass.

p.s Someone please quote this post, brave HisArpy has me on ignore because I gore his ox too often.

I'll try but he often has me on ignore too...lol

Hey HisArpy, suppose you had essentially no concrete guidelines on what you were permitted to do in the courtroom...
And after every case you'd be subject to review by a board of doctors who are NOT versed in legal matters...
and IF these doctors found you made a "legal error" you'd lose you license...
Could you function as a licensed professional under these intentionally vague conditions?

Well, that's what the Texas Supreme Court did to doctors in Texas. They will not give any guidance or rules BEFORE a doctor performs an abortion procedure, but they reserve the right to pass judgment AFTER the procedure.

The Texas legislature deliberately made the guidelines for abortion intentionally vague.
It's not "de jure" banning, it is most certainly "de facto" banning. "Chilling affect" and all that.

No doctor (or lawyer) would practice under these conditions.

So take your "meet the criteria" blather, shine it up real good, turn it sideways, and stick it up your judgmental ass.

p.s Someone please quote this post, brave HisArpy has me on ignore because I gore his ox too often.

@HisArpy

 

[HisArpy]

Also, the SCOTUS decided that the plaintiffs in the attempt to ban or restrict Mifeprestone (morning after pill) lack standing. This allows the FDA to continue to authorize access to the pill in all 50 states. Something which again defeats the FAKE claim that you can't get an abortion in some states. You can. And if the State restricts doctors from prescribing it, patients can get it via mail order.

Thus the entire argument that abortion has been outlawed is specious.

 

[jomar]

Of course I'm ok with it, it's the law and a violation of the law carries criminal penalties.

So you’re ok with a terrible law. You seem to be missing the point that complying with a law is one thing but being against the law is another.

The question is why you're not ok with obeying the law. Are you so important that you think you can just do as you please and fuck the rest of the world? Lemmee tell ya, life don't work like that.

Where did I say I was against obeying the law? As usual, you’re seeing things that aren’t there. Again, not on point.

My objection to Dobbs is all over the place, as is my position on abortion. If you didn't see it, it's because you didn't bother to look and instead ascribed a lie onto me. That's all on you.

If you say so. I didn’t ascribe a lie, but it could be possible that I didn’t see it.

 

[PaxNurgle]

This is a lie.

An abortion can be performed in ALL 50 states IF it meets the criteria that allows one to be performed.

The fact that abortion is heavily restricted in some states is NOT the same as "illegal."

Please try to keep up.

yes but but... in many states there is NO criteria that allows one to be performed- in any case.

 

[jomar]

Also, the SCOTUS decided that the plaintiffs in the attempt to ban or restrict Mifeprestone (morning after pill) lack standing. This allows the FDA to continue to authorize access to the pill in all 50 states. Something which again defeats the FAKE claim that you can't get an abortion in some states. You can. And if the State restricts doctors from prescribing it, patients can get it via mail order.

Thus the entire argument that abortion has been outlawed is specious.

They allowed Mifeprestone because the plaintiffs had no business bringing it up. A technical matter and a no brainer for scotus but not a win for women’s rights in the sense they overturned a wrong. By the way, the drug is not not only used for abortion.

Who is arguing abortion has been outlawed? From what I’ve seen the argument is the rules have become so restrictive that while legal, it’s pretty much outlawed.