Monday, April 15th: First Ever Criminal Trial for a Former US President

[Fuzzy1975]

Legal professionals should avoid interjecting biased motives or making baseless claims about the influence of politics.

Well to be fair, HisArpy's not a lawyer. He just plays one on a porn board.

 

[HisArpy]

Yes, I said there was a reason, "because of idiots like you". PS the warnings on car batteries are about fire and explosion, not shock...

Well when people like you stick their dick into the charging port and get zapped, Government mandates producers to print warnings about that.

Nah, you're the fucking idiot. How many times I have I and Alex posted Ohm's law. And you're still too fucking stupid to understand it, carbon water boy.

Your failure is obvious since my beef isn't about any of that. It's that you assholes ADVOCATE doing it.

Then there's the FACT that this is also the warning sticker on a car battery:

https://car-images.bauersecure.com/wp-images/3987/480x0/ev_car_battery_fire.jpg?scale=down

NOTICE the yellow triangle with the lightning bolt? That's a warning that electrical shock can occur.

So STOP LYING in order to try to prove you're right. You're not right. You're not smart. You're nothing but another clueless turd with mental problems. Just like the other guy.

 

[dmallord]

Great, still can't name the "another crime" so you pulled one out of your ass.

For the record you dipshit, there was NO "another crime" in the indictment. NOR was any proof of "another crime" entered into evidence during the trial.

Cohen testified that he and Trump agreed to pay Daniels but that's not a crime. Asserting that it was done to help the campaign is an unsupported allegation because there's NO EVIDENCE of that and Cohen's testimony is nothing but inadmissible hearsay as it applies to Trump's actions. COHEN may have done it for that reason, but it was Trump who was on trial for it.

Then there's the fact that intent requires evidence of a specific mindset that cannot be proven through hearsay. Nor can acts be given unlawful meaning if those same acts are equally lawful. (There's a jury instruction for that.) In a situation where an act can be believed to be both unlawful and lawful, the benefit of the doubt SHALL ALWAYS go to the accused. (Jury instruction for that too.) A jury cannot impute intent without evidence of intent beyond general acts. For example, driving a car is not sufficient to prove the driver intended to cause an accident. Here there is no proof of intent beyond Cohen's statements which indict himself but not Trump because Cohen cannot testify to Trump's specific intent. Thus Trump's acts were merely general acts taken regarding the publication of personal and private information.

Beyond that, there's no "another crime" in the charging papers and without that, you have a legally deficient indictment. Any verdict based on that indictment is legally invalid since not all elements of the alleged offense are present and the jury was left to fill in the gaps with whatever they wanted. This violates due process in multiple ways and any one of them is reversible error with a remand for a new trial. Reversal and remand for a new trial will not cure that because the indictment is still defective and a new indictment with all of the elements specified runs into due process problems again through the double jeopardy prohibition. The only remaining remedy would be to reverse and remand with directions to the court to render a directed verdict of not guilty.



You can continue to post meaningless bullshit in your attempt to justify this con job of a verdict, but the truth is you cannot build anything without a solid foundation and Bragg failed to do that by leaving out an essential element in the indictment. ie; by failing to allege Trump did what he did to cover up "another crime" without any specificity as to what that "another crime" actually was or is the indictment is legally deficient because it lacks a foundation. Everything falls down from that lack of foundation and the court's attempts to shore up the case through it's many improper decisions and actions only makes it worse.

What is meaningful is that twelve men and women heard the testimony and found Trump guilty on thirty-four counts of class E felonies. That's a fact.

Trump will live with it unless an appeal overturns those thirty-four verdicts.

I'm sure one or more of his lawyers is reading your posts on Lit and considering each one. When you see them in the newscasts, submit an appropriate invoice to claim your payments. [Ask at least as much as Cohen did to keep up appearances, etc.]

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Your failure is obvious since my beef isn't about any of that. It's that you assholes ADVOCATE doing it.

Then there's the FACT that this is also the warning sticker on a car battery:

Yes we have agreed there are, for your protection. Idiots need protection.

https://car-images.bauersecure.com/wp-images/3987/480x0/ev_car_battery_fire.jpg?scale=down

NOTICE the yellow triangle with the lightning bolt? That's a warning that electrical shock can occur.

No that's an Electrical Arc Flash sign, it's posted on items that can generate a spark. While a battery cannot electrocute you, a spark can burn, or blind. That is why it's there.

So STOP LYING in order to try to prove you're right.

I'm right, your wrong, accept it. You were wrong about Carbon based water, you are wrong about 12 volt batteries, you are wrong about just about everything.

You're not right.

Awww, did I hurt you fee fees?

You're not smart.

I never claimed I was.

You're nothing but another clueless turd with mental problems.

In case you didn't get it the first time....Awwww, did I hurt you fee fees?

Just like the other guy.

What other guy?

 

[HisArpy]

Yes we have agreed there are, for your protection. Idiots need protection.

No that's an Electrical Arc Flash sign, it's posted on items that can generate a spark. While a battery cannot electrocute you, a spark can burn, or blind. That is why it's there.

I'm right, your wrong, accept it. You were wrong about Carbon based water, you are wrong about 12 volt batteries, you are wrong about just about everything.

Awww, did I hurt you fee fees?

I never claimed I was.

In case you didn't get it the first time....Awwww, did I hurt you fee fees?

What other guy?

It's not an "electrical arc" sign. It's the warning posted on the cover of an EV car battery pack. The owners manual of the car ALSO says that to avoid electrical shock, NEVER touch both terminals with your hands or tools at the same time.

You see; what you've done is create a stupid loop in which you insist you're correct despite all the contrary facts and evidence against doing what you say can be done. And of course, you'll next try to avoid any liability for someone being electrocuted because this is the internet and everyone has the responsibility for informing themselves on how to work around high energy electrical sources and that means you're not responsible for the bullshit you post.

Your last sentence says it all about you. You don't read. You don't learn. You don't care that you're wrong or that someone could be hurt by the things you say are ok to do. The only thing that matters to a narcissist like you, is you and screw everyone else.

Good luck with that. I made a very nice living off of making sure that fuckwads just like you paid through the nose for their delusions.

 

[HisArpy]

What is meaningful is that twelve men and women heard the testimony and found Trump guilty on thirty-four counts of class E felonies. That's a fact.

Trump will live with it unless an appeal overturns those thirty-four verdicts.

I'm sure one or more of his lawyers is reading your posts on Lit and considering each one. When you see them in the newscasts, submit an appropriate invoice to claim your payments. [Ask at least as much as Cohen did to keep up appearances, etc.]

This is only meaningful because you believe the trial was "fair."

It wasn't. I've posted numerous times about how Trump was denied due process in various ways. Others have also posted about those things.

When a trial is as riddled with due process errors such as this one, no jury verdict is properly rendered. Thus, your reliance on "correctness" of that verdict teeters on the brink of insanity.

Not that we didn't already know how insane the Left is.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

It's not an "electrical arc" sign. It's the warning posted on the cover of an EV car battery pack.

EV battery packs have enough Electricity to shock/kill you. They are 600 volts DC. However that is still an Electric Arc flash warning.

The owners manual of the car ALSO says that to avoid electrical shock, NEVER touch both terminals with your hands or tools at the same time.

Of course not, it's not a 12 volt car battery, which is what the subject matter was....what depths you've sunk to Arpy...lol

 

[dmallord]

So we've now gone from conspiracy to election interference.

Can someone please show me where those allegations are in the indictment? Or the evidence introduced at trial which supports those unstated allegations?

And let's not forget about that little thing called reasonable doubt and the requirement for a unanimous jury on all elements of the offense. If you can't name it how did the jury arrive at a unanimous verdict about it?

The Holy Grail answer you seek is in the small discreet black binder labeled "Conspiracy to Interfere with an Election."

If you catch some of the sketch artist's drawings of Judge Merchan, you can see a hint of that black binder on the corner of his bench. One of the seven congressional dress-a-like dwarfs that magically appeared at the courthouse can claim they saw it if you want them to testify before a Congressional hearing about that binder.

That black book contains jury instructions on how jurors are to use unstated allegations to arrive at a unanimous verdict. The book was taken by the bailiff as he escourted the jury to their drab closed room where they received a recorder and some headphones to tap into Qanon music for two days in preparation for what was coming.

Now as to how the verdict was arrived at that part is easier to explain. Twelve double-headed coins were on the jury table when they arrived in a black silk bag with a 'Q' written on it and brief note on a 3x5 card. "If Heads, find the defendent guilty, if ...."

 

[dmallord]

This is only meaningful because you believe the trial was "fair."

It wasn't. I've posted numerous times about how Trump was denied due process in various ways. Others have also posted about those things.

When a trial is as riddled with due process errors such as this one, no jury verdict is properly rendered. Thus, your reliance on "correctness" of that verdict teeters on the brink of insanity.

Not that we didn't already know how insane the Left is.

It is meaningful; I agree with you.

The definition of insanity, HisArphy, is repeating how unfair this trial, or any other trial that Trump has had or will have, and expecting your claim to be true when, on the face of it, it is not so.

Anyone who missed the easy-to-follow and understand facts about this trial that Jomar posted on #2,384 should take a look at it.

It easily points out answers to the crazy things you have repeatedly asked. Check it out, Arphy. Get out QAnon realm for once.

 

[ll74]

Merchan sent a note that a social media post suggested a juror shared an expected outcome with family members. .. investigation ongoing.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna156128

 

[dmallord]

Your failure is obvious since my beef isn't about any of that. It's that you assholes ADVOCATE doing it.

Then there's the FACT that this is also the warning sticker on a car battery:

https://car-images.bauersecure.com/wp-images/3987/480x0/ev_car_battery_fire.jpg?scale=down

NOTICE the yellow triangle with the lightning bolt? That's a warning that electrical shock can occur.

So STOP LYING in order to try to prove you're right. You're not right. You're not smart. You're nothing but another clueless turd with mental problems. Just like the other guy.

Arphy! Both of them are correct on the matter. Go home quietly and drop the subject about voltage. It isn't your realm; it is theirs, however. It is not worth picking this hill to die on.

 

[Lazaran]

EV battery packs have enough Electricity to shock/kill you. They are 600 volts DC. However that is still an Electric Arc flash warning.

Of course not, it's not a 12 volt car battery, which is what the subject matter was....what depths you've sunk to Arpy...lol

When Depry dies on a hill, Derpy fully commits.

Gotta respect that.

Also gotta point and laugh at that.



Derpy

 

[SmokingFap]

Why would I ever engage in any discussion with you that omits how you have mental illness issues which you use to project your bullshit onto others?

Or not call you out for making stupid statements which have the potential to actually hurt others?

You're supposedly an "expert" in electricity yet you advocate doing DUMB AS SHIT things like putting your body into an electrical circuit which has enough amperage to kill someone. You do it on the basis that you believe the human body has enough resistance to not make a complete circuit. This conveniently omits the FACT that anything on the body which can complete the circuit WILL make that circuit and KILL someone. ANYTHING, even sweat or damp clothes or grease, oil, or lotion on your hands, (imagine that) can do this. This is why safety regulations tell people to NEVER do this.

But you, in your stupid bullshit desire to come out on top of a DISCUSSION, leave that bit out. And then you go on a rant rampage to try and make it seem like the guy who is telling you that what you're doing is UNSAFE is the one who is clueless when all he's doing is cleaning up your fucking mess again.

[memory lane visit]
Once, a lifetime ago, I used to go roller skating at a local rink. I was young, full of life, and a fairly decent skater with lots of time on my skates. As I was skating my way around and around one night one of the floor workers stopped me. He told me something that was very profound. He said:

I might be the best skater out there but that means the best that anyone else could be is the SECOND BEST skater. Which means they make mistakes. One of those mistakes could be because I did something I was totally able to do but the others couldn't handle happening around them. Which could lead to a pile up on the floor with injuries. Not because I did anything "wrong" but because THEY make mistakes.
[/memory lane visit]

You act like I did as a kid. You think you're the best of the best while forgetting that other people don't have your knowledge. AND that those other people might lack the impulse control to not do what you say. AND THEN make a mistake that kills them or hurts someone else.

THAT is the legacy you leave behind when you continue to post the dumb as fuck shit that you post on this board. Worse, you do it mostly because you say you were singled out for abuse as a kid. You've take that childhood "trauma" (which everyone has had to deal with) and transpose it onto the whole of humanity by creating a personality in which you make yourself out to be something you're not. You want others to believe you're smart.

Except you're not smart, you're an asshole with a big mouth. You're also immature. When those 2 things are combined what we get is a stupid git like you who CALLOUSLY runs around making dumb statements that can hurt other people.

And then you get angry when called on it. You make threats or try to retaliate against those who call you out on your crap act. You refuse to listen to reason, lie about hard facts, and ignore reality in order to foster your own little revenge tour against the world in general.

And finally you cry that it's unfair that anyone points this out.

Grow the fuck up you little turd. If you want to have a civil discussion, start with a mental health counselor and tell them the truth that you're an asshole with a Napoleon complex and the fragile ego of a 6 year old.

Wow. For not belittling yourself enough to engage in a conversation...


That was a long conversation.

 

[ll74]

When the right aligns on their messaging. The word of the day is "precooked"

 

[ll74]

How quickly the turns table

https://twitter.com/x/status/1799193829683433709

 

[YDB95]

“I’m just tired of the left. Tired of DEI & gun laws & tax hikes & climate nonsense & billions to foreigners. I’m not voting for the man. I’m voting for the pissed off bull-in-a-china-shop who wants to burn DC to the ground.”

In other words, there was never any way he was going to vote Democratic anyway, and you know it.

 

[schism666]

 

[SmokingFap]

Dershowitz: It’s a Day After the Ruling and I Still Don’t Know What the Crime Is – Merchan Took This a Step Further than Stalin – Supreme Court Should See This Case and Reverse This Case
By Jim Hoft Jun. 1, 2024 10:40 am

Alan Dershowitz: I want to say right now, I side with President Trump’s assessment of the judicial system more than President Biden’s assessment. I’m a liberal Democrat. I voted for Biden. Biden is dead wrong. We should not respect the legal system that is rigged. In my book, Get Trump, I predicted months before this case ever came to trial that it was a foregone conclusion there’d be a conviction. A biased judge, a biased jury, a biased prosecutor, a man who ran for office on the theory of, let’s find a crime to prosecute Trump for, and they couldn’t find the crime, so they made it up.

We’re now a day after the verdict. I’ve known criminal law. I’ve been involved in criminal law for 60 years. I still don’t know what the crime is. Was he found guilty of intending to violate tax laws, to violate the federal election laws, to defraud voters? I still don’t know. And we’re a day after this. This is the most outrageous case. Everybody knows the quote from Lavrentiy Beria, the head of the KGB under Stalin, when Beria said to Stalin, “Show me the man and I’ll find you the crime.”

He tried to find the crime, and he couldn’t. So he made up the crime. He took it a step further than Stalin and Lavrentiy Beria. This case will go down in history as one of the most abusive prosecutions since the trial of Aaron Burr back in ’18, whatever. This is a stain on our criminal justice system.

Alan Dershowitz: “Again, he was convicted of things that weren’t crimes… I think there’s a way of expediting the appeal, skipping the appellate division, going right to the Court of Appeals, ask for an expedited appeal with a decision within a month, and then take it to the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court should take this case, should reverse the conviction, and let the voters decide who should be president without the thumb of an illegal prosecution on the scales of the election.”

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/06/dershowitz-its-day-after-ruling-i-still-dont/

Dershowitz expects the SCOTUS to overturn the case. As do many leading legal scholars and lawyers.

Dershowitz is a pedophile, just like his best buddy Trump.

 

[adrina]

 

[schism666]

Dershowitz is a pedophile, just like his best buddy Trump.

vetteman is a dersh loyalist despite his character. vetteman loves weak men with zero integrity.

 

[Lazaran]

Dershowitz is a pedophile, just like his best buddy Trump.

Jonathan Turley says to Alan Dershowitz, Trump, Epstein, etc, - “Hold my candy”.



Side note:

Creeps have a certain look:

 

[dmallord]

When Depry dies on a hill, Derpy fully commits.

Gotta respect that.

Also gotta point and laugh at that.



Derpy

0 for 3 I believe there could be more. I'm not a follower of 'Derpy.'

1. Carbon Water - 'Just a joke,' he said.
2. Twelve Volt Battery - He's still holding his breath until he turns blue on that one.
3. Thirty-four felonies - Arphy is a hell of a man to be carrying all that water for Trump!

Are there other hills he has chosen to die upon? What's that Firefly saying? "There is no shame in a man falling on his sword?"

 

[AlexBailey]

Why would I ever engage in any discussion with you that omits how you have mental illness issues which you use to project your bullshit onto others?

Or not call you out for making stupid statements which have the potential to actually hurt others?

You're supposedly an "expert" in electricity yet you advocate doing DUMB AS SHIT things like putting your body into an electrical circuit which has enough amperage to kill someone. You do it on the basis that you believe the human body has enough resistance to not make a complete circuit. This conveniently omits the FACT that anything on the body which can complete the circuit WILL make that circuit and KILL someone. ANYTHING, even sweat or damp clothes or grease, oil, or lotion on your hands, (imagine that) can do this. This is why safety regulations tell people to NEVER do this.

But you, in your stupid bullshit desire to come out on top of a DISCUSSION, leave that bit out. And then you go on a rant rampage to try and make it seem like the guy who is telling you that what you're doing is UNSAFE is the one who is clueless when all he's doing is cleaning up your fucking mess again.

[memory lane visit]
Once, a lifetime ago, I used to go roller skating at a local rink. I was young, full of life, and a fairly decent skater with lots of time on my skates. As I was skating my way around and around one night one of the floor workers stopped me. He told me something that was very profound. He said:

I might be the best skater out there but that means the best that anyone else could be is the SECOND BEST skater. Which means they make mistakes. One of those mistakes could be because I did something I was totally able to do but the others couldn't handle happening around them. Which could lead to a pile up on the floor with injuries. Not because I did anything "wrong" but because THEY make mistakes.
[/memory lane visit]

You act like I did as a kid. You think you're the best of the best while forgetting that other people don't have your knowledge. AND that those other people might lack the impulse control to not do what you say. AND THEN make a mistake that kills them or hurts someone else.

THAT is the legacy you leave behind when you continue to post the dumb as fuck shit that you post on this board. Worse, you do it mostly because you say you were singled out for abuse as a kid. You've take that childhood "trauma" (which everyone has had to deal with) and transpose it onto the whole of humanity by creating a personality in which you make yourself out to be something you're not. You want others to believe you're smart.

Except you're not smart, you're an asshole with a big mouth. You're also immature. When those 2 things are combined what we get is a stupid git like you who CALLOUSLY runs around making dumb statements that can hurt other people.

And then you get angry when called on it. You make threats or try to retaliate against those who call you out on your crap act. You refuse to listen to reason, lie about hard facts, and ignore reality in order to foster your own little revenge tour against the world in general.

And finally you cry that it's unfair that anyone points this out.

Grow the fuck up you little turd. If you want to have a civil discussion, start with a mental health counselor and tell them the truth that you're an asshole with a Napoleon complex and the fragile ego of a 6 year old.

I’ve been staying on the coast while working on a lithium battery project, thinking about your sad skating story.

Your profound epiphany was that it was a dangerous example to be exceptional?

What were you doing, hotdogging? Weaving in and out of other skaters, showing what a bad ass you were? Was the guy concerned because your were reckless or because he was afraid people would hurt themselves when they tried to copy your tricks? Tell me more about your exceptionalism.

 

[AlexBailey]

So we've now gone from conspiracy to election interference.

Can someone please show me where those allegations are in the indictment? Or the evidence introduced at trial which supports those unstated allegations?

And let's not forget about that little thing called reasonable doubt and the requirement for a unanimous jury on all elements of the offense. If you can't name it how did the jury arrive at a unanimous verdict about it?

Has a court transcript been released? Will there be one? What is the source of your detailed and complete information?

 

[Bray123]

Gotta love the line, 'I'm a lawyer therefore what I say counts and you should believe me when I say that the case against Trump will fail.'

The only reason the case will fail is because it may come before Schitinpantstard Justices who have been bribed appropriately. The courts are now being clogged with lawyers who conspired with others on how to overturn an election, being a lawyer is no guarantee of integrity.