Monday, April 15th: First Ever Criminal Trial for a Former US President

[HisArpy]

Jesus H. Christ in a fucking sidecar. Are you really that fucking retarded, or just that committed to being an unbearable troll? He showed you the exact two applicable sections of the law. FUCKING READ THEM AND TRY TO UNDERSTAND THEM!!! He didn't make those laws up, they were already on the fucking books! You may not like the laws as written, but you absolutely cannot argue that they do not exist!!! YOU, the pretend fucking lawyer! Goddammit! Just shut the fuck up already, you ball-gargling simp!

You poor poor little thing. Look at you all foamy mouthed and all upset.

 

[HisArpy]

Say it with me. Election. Interference.

Go back to milking that bull with your mouth, you fucking retard.

So we've now gone from conspiracy to election interference.

Can someone please show me where those allegations are in the indictment? Or the evidence introduced at trial which supports those unstated allegations?

And let's not forget about that little thing called reasonable doubt and the requirement for a unanimous jury on all elements of the offense. If you can't name it how did the jury arrive at a unanimous verdict about it?

 

[HisArpy]

It’s funny how you keep getting back to my sexuality and kinks. Why is that so present in your mind?

Gee I dunno; maybe it's because you wear it on your sleeve and shove it into everyone's face all the time?

Imagine what your world would be like if you'd never mentioned it or acted like being a dick is your life's purpose...

 

[HisArpy]

You dress in women's clothes. That makes you close enough to a woman for them to think you're too stupid to have an opinion that matters.

Actually, most women understand the difference between being a woman and being a poseur.

Unfortunately, not all men understand that being a woman is more than wearing her clothes and makeup. In fact, most people, regardless of gender and ideology, understand that's kinda like lying about who you are to both the world in general and yourself in particular.

 

[SmokingFap]

So we've now gone from conspiracy to election interference.

Can someone please show me where those allegations are in the indictment? Or the evidence introduced at trial which supports those unstated allegations?

And let's not forget about that little thing called reasonable doubt and the requirement for a unanimous jury on all elements of the offense. If you can't name it how did the jury arrive at a unanimous verdict about it?

The prosecution wasn't required to prove, or even indict on, the election interference charge, which would have been the overlying crime. I don't know why they chose not to prosecute on that particular offense, but it wasn't required to charge Trump with such, merely prove that altering the potential outcome of the election was the reason for the hush money payments and the subsequent fraudulent recording of the transactions. You may hate that the "loophole" was available, but you can't argue that it didn't exist.

And every member of the jury decided beyond a reasonable doubt that Trump was guilty of the crimes as charged. You'd have to ask them how they came to that conclusion.

 

[SmokingFap]

You poor poor little thing. Look at you all foamy mouthed and all upset.

You just woke up and realized that your life was meaningless and pathetic, so you immediately had to hop on here to fool yourself into thinking you have some value to society. Whatever gets you through the day without putting a bullet through your head.

 

[HisArpy]

The prosecution wasn't required to prove, or even indict on, the election interference charge, which would have been the overlying crime. I don't know why they chose not to prosecute on that particular offense, but it wasn't required to charge Trump with such, merely prove that altering the potential outcome of the election was the reason for the hush money payments and the subsequent fraudulent recording of the transactions. You may hate that the "loophole" was available, but you can't argue that it didn't exist.

And every member of the jury decided beyond a reasonable doubt that Trump was guilty of the crimes as charged. You'd have to ask them how they came to that conclusion.

Lol.

OF COURSE the State doesn't have to "prove" the charges against the accused. Because that's how justice and due process works.


Right?

 

[HisArpy]

You just woke up and realized that your life was meaningless and pathetic, so you immediately had to hop on here to fool yourself into thinking you have some value to society. Whatever gets you through the day without putting a bullet through your head.

Oh my, listen to you and your violent talk trying to convince yourself that you're a badass again.

 

[jomar]

Derpy needs to read this:

https://time.com/6985532/trump-conviction-myths-debunked-essay/#:~:text=These include violations of campaign,with Trump's campaign for president.







Derpy



Side note:

Derpy needs to STFU.

Good article. Unfortunately, the MAGATs here will discredit Time as being biased. So I’ll just leave this here:

Bias Rating: LEFT-CENTER
Factual Reporting: HIGH
Country: USA
Press Freedom Rank: MOSTLY FREE
Media Type: Magazine
Traffic/Popularity: High Traffic
MBFC Credibility Rating: HIGH CREDIBILITY

 

[SmokingFap]

Lol.

OF COURSE the State doesn't have to "prove" the charges against the accused. Because that's how justice and due process works.


Right?

You need to work on your reading comprehension. I said that you may not agree with that particular maneuver or loophole, but it obviously exists.

Keep crying.

 

[SmokingFap]

Oh my, listen to you and your violent talk trying to convince yourself that you're a badass again.

Me being a badass has nothing to do with you being a pathetic worm.

 

[HisArpy]

You need to work on your reading comprehension. I said that you may not agree with that particular maneuver or loophole, but it obviously exists.

Keep crying.

Let's try it once more (with feeling this time!) about how "fair trials" don't require the State to prove a crime was committed before they find the accused guilty of the unstated offense.

 

[HisArpy]

Me being a badass has nothing to do with you being a pathetic worm.

<--- is an Ass. Please get with the program, your failure to keep up with the rest of the class is slowing everyone down.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Let's try it once more (with feeling this time!) about how "fair trials" don't require the State to prove a crime was committed before they find the accused guilty of the unstated offense.

Apparently the answer to all your whining on this matter is N O. The state got a grand jury indictment, went to trial and a Jury of Trump's peers found him guilty on all counts.

That you disagree, and feel otherwise is irreverent, except for our entertainment from you foaming at the mouth. Maybe take a sip of Carbon based water and cool down. Oh and don't forget to not touch those posts on your car's battery, least nothing will happen to you, and destroy another fantasy....

 

[AlexBailey]

Great, still can't name the "another crime" so you pulled one out of your ass.

For the record you dipshit, there was NO "another crime" in the indictment. NOR was any proof of "another crime" entered into evidence during the trial.

Cohen testified that he and Trump agreed to pay Daniels but that's not a crime. Asserting that it was done to help the campaign is an unsupported allegation because there's NO EVIDENCE of that and Cohen's testimony is nothing but inadmissible hearsay as it applies to Trump's actions. COHEN may have done it for that reason, but it was Trump who was on trial for it.

Then there's the fact that intent requires evidence of a specific mindset that cannot be proven through hearsay. Nor can acts be given unlawful meaning if those same acts are equally lawful. (There's a jury instruction for that.) In a situation where an act can be believed to be both unlawful and lawful, the benefit of the doubt SHALL ALWAYS go to the accused. (Jury instruction for that too.) A jury cannot impute intent without evidence of intent beyond general acts. For example, driving a car is not sufficient to prove the driver intended to cause an accident. Here there is no proof of intent beyond Cohen's statements which indict himself but not Trump because Cohen cannot testify to Trump's specific intent. Thus Trump's acts were merely general acts taken regarding the publication of personal and private information.

Beyond that, there's no "another crime" in the charging papers and without that, you have a legally deficient indictment. Any verdict based on that indictment is legally invalid since not all elements of the alleged offense are present and the jury was left to fill in the gaps with whatever they wanted. This violates due process in multiple ways and any one of them is reversible error with a remand for a new trial. Reversal and remand for a new trial will not cure that because the indictment is still defective and a new indictment with all of the elements specified runs into due process problems again through the double jeopardy prohibition. The only remaining remedy would be to reverse and remand with directions to the court to render a directed verdict of not guilty.



You can continue to post meaningless bullshit in your attempt to justify this con job of a verdict, but the truth is you cannot build anything without a solid foundation and Bragg failed to do that by leaving out an essential element in the indictment. ie; by failing to allege Trump did what he did to cover up "another crime" without any specificity as to what that "another crime" actually was or is the indictment is legally deficient because it lacks a foundation. Everything falls down from that lack of foundation and the court's attempts to shore up the case through it's many improper decisions and actions only makes it worse.

Gee I dunno; maybe it's because you wear it on your sleeve and shove it into everyone's face all the time?

Imagine what your world would be like if you'd never mentioned it or acted like being a dick is your life's purpose...

Again you project. I’ve invited you to have a civil discussion on many occasions but you always insist on being a raging little dick head.

Go lick a 56 volt battery, moron.

As for the case, you probably know full well that NY state has prosecuted felony business documents falsification without a prosecuted underlying crime before, it isn’t without theory, it’s just untested. And though it may be selective prosecution I don’t see you or the Trump defense making any argument that the business records were not falsified. Your argument that Trump was only paying “legal fees” is as much bullshit as your claim that I should have been electrocuted for doing what I proved was safe.

You may know some law but you have already undermined you credibility over so many issues for so many idiotic reasons known only to yourself that your word on any matter is untrustworthy to say the least. Now GFY.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Go lick a 56 volt battery, moron.

hmmm???

E=I x R

56=I x 7000 (average resistance of the human tongue)

I = E/R
.008=56/7000

Be interesting to see how that 8 milliamps feels on his tongue compared to the 1 milliamp from a 9 V battery....

 

[AlexBailey]

hmmm???

E=I x R

56=I x 7000 (average resistance of the human tongue)

I = E/R
.008=56/7000

Be interesting to see how that 8 milliamps feels on his tongue compared to the 1 milliamp from a 9 V battery....

It would be tough for his tongue to hit both terminals.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

It would be tough for his tongue to hit both terminals.

I thought his tongue is forked? He sure posts like it is!

 

[HisArpy]

Again you project. I’ve invited you to have a civil discussion on many occasions but you always insist on being a raging little dick head.

Go lick a 56 volt battery, moron.

As for the case, you probably know full well that NY state has prosecuted felony business documents falsification without a prosecuted underlying crime before, it isn’t without theory, it’s just untested. And though it may be selective prosecution I don’t see you or the Trump defense making any argument that the business records were not falsified. Your argument that Trump was only paying “legal fees” is as much bullshit as your claim that I should have been electrocuted for doing what I proved was safe.

You may know some law but you have already undermined you credibility over so many issues for so many idiotic reasons known only to yourself that your word on any matter is untrustworthy to say the least. Now GFY.

Why would I ever engage in any discussion with you that omits how you have mental illness issues which you use to project your bullshit onto others?

Or not call you out for making stupid statements which have the potential to actually hurt others?

You're supposedly an "expert" in electricity yet you advocate doing DUMB AS SHIT things like putting your body into an electrical circuit which has enough amperage to kill someone. You do it on the basis that you believe the human body has enough resistance to not make a complete circuit. This conveniently omits the FACT that anything on the body which can complete the circuit WILL make that circuit and KILL someone. ANYTHING, even sweat or damp clothes or grease, oil, or lotion on your hands, (imagine that) can do this. This is why safety regulations tell people to NEVER do this.

But you, in your stupid bullshit desire to come out on top of a DISCUSSION, leave that bit out. And then you go on a rant rampage to try and make it seem like the guy who is telling you that what you're doing is UNSAFE is the one who is clueless when all he's doing is cleaning up your fucking mess again.

[memory lane visit]
Once, a lifetime ago, I used to go roller skating at a local rink. I was young, full of life, and a fairly decent skater with lots of time on my skates. As I was skating my way around and around one night one of the floor workers stopped me. He told me something that was very profound. He said:

I might be the best skater out there but that means the best that anyone else could be is the SECOND BEST skater. Which means they make mistakes. One of those mistakes could be because I did something I was totally able to do but the others couldn't handle happening around them. Which could lead to a pile up on the floor with injuries. Not because I did anything "wrong" but because THEY make mistakes.
[/memory lane visit]

You act like I did as a kid. You think you're the best of the best while forgetting that other people don't have your knowledge. AND that those other people might lack the impulse control to not do what you say. AND THEN make a mistake that kills them or hurts someone else.

THAT is the legacy you leave behind when you continue to post the dumb as fuck shit that you post on this board. Worse, you do it mostly because you say you were singled out for abuse as a kid. You've take that childhood "trauma" (which everyone has had to deal with) and transpose it onto the whole of humanity by creating a personality in which you make yourself out to be something you're not. You want others to believe you're smart.

Except you're not smart, you're an asshole with a big mouth. You're also immature. When those 2 things are combined what we get is a stupid git like you who CALLOUSLY runs around making dumb statements that can hurt other people.

And then you get angry when called on it. You make threats or try to retaliate against those who call you out on your crap act. You refuse to listen to reason, lie about hard facts, and ignore reality in order to foster your own little revenge tour against the world in general.

And finally you cry that it's unfair that anyone points this out.

Grow the fuck up you little turd. If you want to have a civil discussion, start with a mental health counselor and tell them the truth that you're an asshole with a Napoleon complex and the fragile ego of a 6 year old.

 

[AlexBailey]

Why would I ever engage in any discussion with you that omits how you have mental illness issues which you use to project your bullshit onto others?

Or not call you out for making stupid statements which have the potential to actually hurt others?

You're supposedly an "expert" in electricity yet you advocate doing DUMB AS SHIT things like putting your body into an electrical circuit which has enough amperage to kill someone. You do it on the basis that you believe the human body has enough resistance to not make a complete circuit. This conveniently omits the FACT that anything on the body which can complete the circuit WILL make that circuit and KILL someone. ANYTHING, even sweat or damp clothes or grease, oil, or lotion on your hands, (imagine that) can do this. This is why safety regulations tell people to NEVER do this.

But you, in your stupid bullshit desire to come out on top of a DISCUSSION, leave that bit out. And then you go on a rant rampage to try and make it seem like the guy who is telling you that what you're doing is UNSAFE is the one who is clueless when all he's doing is cleaning up your fucking mess again.

[memory lane visit]
Once, a lifetime ago, I used to go roller skating at a local rink. I was young, full of life, and a fairly decent skater with lots of time on my skates. As I was skating my way around and around one night one of the floor workers stopped me. He told me something that was very profound. He said:

I might be the best skater out there but that means the best that anyone else could be is the SECOND BEST skater. Which means they make mistakes. One of those mistakes could be because I did something I was totally able to do but the others couldn't handle happening around them. Which could lead to a pile up on the floor with injuries. Not because I did anything "wrong" but because THEY make mistakes.
[/memory lane visit]

You act like I did as a kid. You think you're the best of the best while forgetting that other people don't have your knowledge. AND that those other people might lack the impulse control to not do what you say. AND THEN make a mistake that kills them or hurts someone else.

THAT is the legacy you leave behind when you continue to post the dumb as fuck shit that you post on this board. Worse, you do it mostly because you say you were singled out for abuse as a kid. You've take that childhood "trauma" (which everyone has had to deal with) and transpose it onto the whole of humanity by creating a personality in which you make yourself out to be something you're not. You want others to believe you're smart.

Except you're not smart, you're an asshole with a big mouth. You're also immature. When those 2 things are combined what we get is a stupid git like you who CALLOUSLY runs around making dumb statements that can hurt other people.

And then you get angry when called on it. You make threats or try to retaliate against those who call you out on your crap act. You refuse to listen to reason, lie about hard facts, and ignore reality in order to foster your own little revenge tour against the world in general.

And finally you cry that it's unfair that anyone points this out.

Grow the fuck up you little turd. If you want to have a civil discussion, start with a mental health counselor and tell them the truth that you're an asshole with a Napoleon complex and the fragile ego of a 6 year old.

lol. You still can’t reconcile that the DSM doesn’t consider Transgenderism to be a mental illness.

Also. I proved simply that your concerns that a 56 volt battery backpack is not a shock hazard. I did this by actually proving that it isn’t while also bringing up the fact that gasoline is far more hazardous to deal with, proving that this new technology is an improvement over previous equipment. Your arguments aside, 56 volts is not a shock hazard safety issue. Period. Yet you go on to argue the point that you have zero experience with, proving that you talk out of your ass to support whatever position you have preconceived.

That’s your job as an attorney when representing a client, right? To give them the best defense regardless of the facts. You seek legal loopholes and justifications to protect the factually guilty from prosecution if it pays for your dinner.

I am who I am and I don’t feel a need to hide what is perceived as attractive regardless of what societal gender expectations are. You can’t give a reason why it is intrinsically more appropriate for a female to present in a way that can be considered ‘petty’ than it is for a male because there is no intrinsic basis for that. I’m not subject to your preconceived notions and biases and it obviously confuses and upsets you. Piss off fuck wit.

BTW, are you going to sue olympic athletes for the damages caused to kids who think they can speed skate? How about the Fast and Furious movie franchise for encouraging reckless driving? Are you promoting an insufferable nanny state?

 

[HisArpy]

lol. You still can’t reconcile that the DSM doesn’t consider Transgenderism to be a mental illness.

Also. I proved simply that your concerns that a 56 volt battery backpack is not a shock hazard. I did this by actually proving that it isn’t while also bringing up the fact that gasoline is far more hazardous to deal with. Your arguments aside, 56 volts is not a shock hazard safety issue. Period. Yet you go on to argue the point that you have zero experience with, proving that you talk out of your ass to support whatever position you have preconceived.

That’s your job as an attorney when representing a client, right? To give them the best defense regardless of the facts. You seek legal loopholes and justifications to protect the factually guilty from prosecution if it pays for your dinner.

I am who I am and I don’t feel a need to hide what is perceived as attractive regardless of what societal gender expectations are. You can’t give a reason why it is intrinsically more appropriate for a female to present in a way that can be considered ‘petty’ than it is for a male because there is no intrinsic basis for that. I’m not subject to your preconceived notions and biases and it obviously confuses and upsets you. Piss off fuck wit.

This is just more of you trying to prove that you're smart when you're an idiot without a clue.

Go cry in your safe space.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

You're supposedly an "expert" in electricity yet you advocate doing DUMB AS SHIT things like putting your body into an electrical circuit which has enough amperage to kill someone. You do it on the basis that you believe the human body has enough resistance to not make a complete circuit. This conveniently omits the FACT that anything on the body which can complete the circuit WILL make that circuit and KILL SOMEONE. ANYTHING, even sweat or damp clothes, can do this. This is why safety regulations tell people to NEVER do this.

LOL you're a fucking idiot, and one who knows nothing about electricity, which is exactly why people like me have had to write these warnings. You have no understanding of the relationship between Volts, Amps and Resistance. NONE ZERO ZILTCH, and its funny beyond belief.

Again HisArpy, for the last time, E= I x R.

Electricity interrupts the heart with 100-120 milliamps. That can kill by stopping your heart. (least painful way to die)

If you touch and for some reason are held on an electrical circuit (100+ volts and up) you will die because electricity causes muscles to contract. If your muscles contract you can't breath, also your heart stops and you die, because it too is a muscle. (very unpleasant way to die, think electric chair)

If you are exposed to high voltage/high current you will die because the electricity "cooks" you. If held on long enough you will burn. ( the worst way to go), but normally you never get hot enough to die, the parts of your body connected just "blow off" in a microsecond, and you're then disconnected from the circuit. Just ask high voltage linesmen about it.

A 12 volt car battery will not kill you, no matter how many "amps" it is rated to deliver. But hey, don't let your ignorance stand in the way of posting.

 

[HisArpy]

LOL you're a fucking idiot, and one who knows nothing about electricity, which is exactly why people like me have had to write these warnings. You have no understanding of the relationship between Volts, Amps and Resistance. NONE ZERO ZILTCH, and its funny beyond belief.

Again HisArpy, for the last time, E= I x R.

Electricity interrupts the heart with 100-120 milliamps. That can kill by stopping your heart. (least painful way to die)

If you touch and for some reason are held on an electrical circuit (100+ volts and up) you will die because electricity causes muscles to contract. If your muscles contract you can't breath, also your heart stops and you die, because it too is a muscle. (very unpleasant way to die, think electric chair)

If you are exposed to high voltage/high current you will die because the electricity "cooks" you. If held on long enough you will burn. ( the worst way to go), but normally you never get hot enough to die, the parts of your body connected just "blow off" in a microsecond, and you're then disconnected from the circuit. Just ask high voltage linesmen about it.

A 12 volt car battery will not kill you, no matter how many "amps" it is rated to deliver. But hey, don't let your ignorance stand in the way of posting.

Oh look, it's someone else who doesn't understand that there's a REASON for those REQUIRED warning labels against electrical shock hazard. The labels are mandated for nearly everything, even car batteries.

It ALMOST makes you wonder why is that? And why some people can't seem to understand the hazard. Or SAY that someone can't be hurt by one.

Maybe the answer to those questions is that it's YOU who is the fucking idiot.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Oh look, it's someone else who doesn't understand that there's a REASON for those REQUIRED warning labels against electrical shock hazard. The labels are mandated for nearly everything, even car batteries.

Yes, I said there was a reason, "because of idiots like you". PS the warnings on car batteries are about fire and explosion, not shock...

It ALMOST makes you wonder why is that? And why some people can't seem to understand the hazard. Or SAY that someone can't be hurt by one.

Well when people like you stick their dick into the charging port and get zapped, Government mandates producers to print warnings about that.

Maybe the answer to those questions is that it's YOU who is the fucking idiot.

Nah, you're the fucking idiot. How many times I have I and Alex posted Ohm's law. And you're still too fucking stupid to understand it, carbon water boy.

 

[dmallord]

He's not going to.

Instead he'll go 'round and 'round quoting the language of the statute and that the jury found Trump guilty while ignoring that not all of the required elements were present because that "other crime" wasn't charged in the indictment (due process error) and there was no evidence presented for the required "other crime" during the trial (another due process error).

Which is ok in stupid world because Trump is now a convicted felon. Never mind that the conviction was based on politics instead of facts and evidence.

Trump has been convicted of a felony. However, as a lawyer, it's important to word it appropriately, for example: "Trump has been convicted based on evidence presented to a jury of his peers. It's possible that this decision will be appealed due to procedural and due process issues."

Legal professionals should avoid interjecting biased motives or making baseless claims about the influence of politics.