Monday, April 15th: First Ever Criminal Trial for a Former US President

[SmokingFap]

http://youtube.com/post/UgkxmmL5wO7b6htettxhbe-z39zlZgVKUqTc?si=P1ehXD7aEgK0fMWj

Trump would only go there to call the fallen soldiers "losers and suckers", anyway.

 

[AlexBailey]

Lol, the statute SPECIFICALLY REQUIRES that there be one.

Or don't you read your own fucked up posts?

175.10
“…and when his intent to defraud includes an intent to commit
another crime….”

17-152 “Any two or more
persons who conspire to promote or prevent the election of any person to
a public office by unlawful means….


Still can’t read, eh?

 

[HisArpy]

175.10
“…and when his intent to defraud includes an intent to commit
another crime….”

17-152 “Any two or more persons who conspire to promote or prevent the election of any person to a public office by unlawful means….


Still can’t read, eh?

Great, still can't name the "another crime" so you pulled one out of your ass.

For the record you dipshit, there was NO "another crime" in the indictment. NOR was any proof of "another crime" entered into evidence during the trial.

Cohen testified that he and Trump agreed to pay Daniels but that's not a crime. Asserting that it was done to help the campaign is an unsupported allegation because there's NO EVIDENCE of that and Cohen's testimony is nothing but inadmissible hearsay as it applies to Trump's actions. COHEN may have done it for that reason, but it was Trump who was on trial for it.

Then there's the fact that intent requires evidence of a specific mindset that cannot be proven through hearsay. Nor can acts be given unlawful meaning if those same acts are equally lawful. (There's a jury instruction for that.) In a situation where an act can be believed to be both unlawful and lawful, the benefit of the doubt SHALL ALWAYS go to the accused. (Jury instruction for that too.) A jury cannot impute intent without evidence of intent beyond general acts. For example, driving a car is not sufficient to prove the driver intended to cause an accident. Here there is no proof of intent beyond Cohen's statements which indict himself but not Trump because Cohen cannot testify to Trump's specific intent. Thus Trump's acts were merely general acts taken regarding the publication of personal and private information.

Beyond that, there's no "another crime" in the charging papers and without that, you have a legally deficient indictment. Any verdict based on that indictment is legally invalid since not all elements of the alleged offense are present and the jury was left to fill in the gaps with whatever they wanted. This violates due process in multiple ways and any one of them is reversible error with a remand for a new trial. Reversal and remand for a new trial will not cure that because the indictment is still defective and a new indictment with all of the elements specified runs into due process problems again through the double jeopardy prohibition. The only remaining remedy would be to reverse and remand with directions to the court to render a directed verdict of not guilty.



You can continue to post meaningless bullshit in your attempt to justify this con job of a verdict, but the truth is you cannot build anything without a solid foundation and Bragg failed to do that by leaving out an essential element in the indictment. ie; by failing to allege Trump did what he did to cover up "another crime" without any specificity as to what that "another crime" actually was or is the indictment is legally deficient because it lacks a foundation. Everything falls down from that lack of foundation and the court's attempts to shore up the case through it's many improper decisions and actions only makes it worse.

 

[HisArpy]

That might be the first time I've ever seen you acknowledge reality.

Baby steps.

Not my fault you don't pay attention in class.

The verdict will be overturned.

 

[Rightguide]

Project much?

It was a well-founded assertion drawn from practical experience and informed judgment.

 

[Rightguide]

Great, still can't name the "another crime" so you pulled one out of your ass.

For the record you dipshit, there was NO "another crime" in the indictment. NOR was any proof of "another crime" entered into evidence during the trial.

Cohen testified that he and Trump agreed to pay Daniels but that's not a crime. Asserting that it was done to help the campaign is an unsupported allegation because there's NO EVIDENCE of that and Cohen's testimony is nothing but inadmissible hearsay as it applies to Trump's actions. COHEN may have done it for that reason, but it was Trump who was on trial for it.

Then there's the fact that intent requires evidence of a specific mindset that cannot be proven through hearsay. Nor can acts be given unlawful meaning if those same acts are equally lawful. (There's a jury instruction for that.) In a situation where an act can be believed to be both unlawful and lawful, the benefit of the doubt SHALL ALWAYS go to the accused. (Jury instruction for that too.) A jury cannot impute intent without evidence of intent beyond general acts. For example, driving a car is not sufficient to prove the driver intended to cause an accident. Here there is no proof of intent beyond Cohen's statements which indict himself but not Trump because Cohen cannot testify to Trump's specific intent. Thus Trump's acts were merely general acts taken regarding the publication of personal and private information.

Beyond that, there's no "another crime" in the charging papers and without that, you have a legally deficient indictment. Any verdict based on that indictment is legally invalid since not all elements of the alleged offense are present and the jury was left to fill in the gaps with whatever they wanted. This violates due process in multiple ways and any one of them is reversible error with a remand for a new trial. Reversal and remand for a new trial will not cure that because the indictment is still defective and a new indictment with all of the elements specified runs into due process problems again through the double jeopardy prohibition. The only remaining remedy would be to reverse and remand with directions to the court to render a directed verdict of not guilty.



You can continue to post meaningless bullshit in your attempt to justify this con job of a verdict, but the truth is you cannot build anything without a solid foundation and Bragg failed to do that by leaving out an essential element in the indictment. ie; by failing to allege Trump did what he did to cover up "another crime" without any specificity as to what that "another crime" actually was or is the indictment is legally deficient because it lacks a foundation. Everything falls down from that lack of foundation and the court's attempts to shore up the case through it's many improper decisions and actions only makes it worse.

The question is can Alex read with comprehension?

 

[HisArpy]

The question is can Alex read with comprehension?

No, he's too busy trying on the cute dresses from his wife's side of the closet.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

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175.10
“…and when his intent to defraud includes an intent to commit
another crime….”

17-152 “Any two or more
persons who conspire to promote or prevent the election of any person to
a public office by unlawful means….


Still can’t read, eh?

Great, still can't name the "another crime" so you pulled one out of your ass.

Hey Mr great Lawyer, what's the meaning of the word "intent"?

You keep asking for the other crime Trump tried or actually committed to be named. All I see are the words "intent to commit a crime"

It doesn't read you have you have committed a crime. It doesn't read the crime needs to be named to become a felony charge. In this case there is no doubt he falsified records to prevent a person from releasing a story which could have been detrimental to his election of President. While a far leap to apply that, Election Interference is a crime, and seems the Prosecution linked that to the Jury.

My thoughts on this is that Trump was directing his lawyers, he refused to admit to the sex, and he failed to try and claim he paid for an NDA to protect his family. If he had done both, the Jury would have had reasonable doubt. Irrelevant of everything else that went on in the trial. So I don't get why you all are pissed at the Judge, the Jury and the Prosecution. You should be pissed that Trump once again failed by thinking he was smarter than everyone else.

 

[Lazaran]

Great, still can't name the "another crime" so you pulled one out of your ass.

For the record you dipshit, there was NO "another crime" in the indictment. NOR was any proof of "another crime" entered into evidence during the trial.

Cohen testified that he and Trump agreed to pay Daniels but that's not a crime. Asserting that it was done to help the campaign is an unsupported allegation because there's NO EVIDENCE of that and Cohen's testimony is nothing but inadmissible hearsay as it applies to Trump's actions. COHEN may have done it for that reason, but it was Trump who was on trial for it.

Then there's the fact that intent requires evidence of a specific mindset that cannot be proven through hearsay. Nor can acts be given unlawful meaning if those same acts are equally lawful. (There's a jury instruction for that.) In a situation where an act can be believed to be both unlawful and lawful, the benefit of the doubt SHALL ALWAYS go to the accused. (Jury instruction for that too.) A jury cannot impute intent without evidence of intent beyond general acts. For example, driving a car is not sufficient to prove the driver intended to cause an accident. Here there is no proof of intent beyond Cohen's statements which indict himself but not Trump because Cohen cannot testify to Trump's specific intent. Thus Trump's acts were merely general acts taken regarding the publication of personal and private information.

Beyond that, there's no "another crime" in the charging papers and without that, you have a legally deficient indictment. Any verdict based on that indictment is legally invalid since not all elements of the alleged offense are present and the jury was left to fill in the gaps with whatever they wanted. This violates due process in multiple ways and any one of them is reversible error with a remand for a new trial. Reversal and remand for a new trial will not cure that because the indictment is still defective and a new indictment with all of the elements specified runs into due process problems again through the double jeopardy prohibition. The only remaining remedy would be to reverse and remand with directions to the court to render a directed verdict of not guilty.



You can continue to post meaningless bullshit in your attempt to justify this con job of a verdict, but the truth is you cannot build anything without a solid foundation and Bragg failed to do that by leaving out an essential element in the indictment. ie; by failing to allege Trump did what he did to cover up "another crime" without any specificity as to what that "another crime" actually was or is the indictment is legally deficient because it lacks a foundation. Everything falls down from that lack of foundation and the court's attempts to shore up the case through it's many improper decisions and actions only makes it worse.

With all the contortions Derpy is going through to present a deeply unsatisfying / unsatisfactory "argument?" in defense of the indefensible, it is becoming blatantly obvious / apparent that, not only does Derpy have a WEAK SPINE, but that Derpy has NO SPINE.

Derpy is such a worm.



Derpy the worm

 

[Fuzzy1975]

With all the contortions Derpy is going through to present a deeply unsatisfying / unsatisfactory "argument?" I’m defense of the indefensible, it is becoming blatantly obvious / apparent that, not only does Derpy have a WEAK SPINE, but that Derpy has NO SPINE.

Derpy is such a worm.



Derpy the worm

His Carbon water intake has risen beyond what one would call, excessive. Mix that in with his intense fear of DC batteries and you have a pretty mentally taxing situation brewing within.

 

[Lazaran]

His Carbon water intake has risen beyond what one would call, excessive. Mix that in with his intense fear of DC batteries and you have a pretty mentally taxing situation brewing within.

Combine all of that ^ with the medication Derpy is taking for a self-admitted chronic weak-spine condition, and it’s easy to see how there could be a problem with Derpy’s critical "thinking" ability.





Derpy

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Combine all of that ^ with the medication Derpy is taking for a self-admitted chronic weak-spine condition, and it’s easy to see how there could be a problem with Derpy’s critical "thinking" ability.





Derpy

critical thinking? don't make laugh...oh wait, I come here for the laughs...sorry

 

[SmokingFap]

Great, still can't name the "another crime" so you pulled one out of your ass.

Jesus H. Christ in a fucking sidecar. Are you really that fucking retarded, or just that committed to being an unbearable troll? He showed you the exact two applicable sections of the law. FUCKING READ THEM AND TRY TO UNDERSTAND THEM!!! He didn't make those laws up, they were already on the fucking books! You may not like the laws as written, but you absolutely cannot argue that they do not exist!!! YOU, the pretend fucking lawyer! Goddammit! Just shut the fuck up already, you ball-gargling simp!

 

[Rightguide]

Jesus H. Christ in a fucking sidecar. Are you really that fucking retarded, or just that committed to being an unbearable troll? He showed you the exact two applicable sections of the law. FUCKING READ THEM AND TRY TO UNDERSTAND THEM!!! He didn't make those laws up, they were already on the fucking books! You may not like the laws as written, but you absolutely cannot argue that they do not exist!!! YOU, the pretend fucking lawyer! Goddammit! Just shut the fuck up already, you ball-gargling simp!

Your bullshit aside you can't name it either. Or is it that you simply don't know what the issue is?

 

[Lazaran]

critical thinking? don't make laugh...oh wait, I come here for the laughs...sorry

Derpy definitely keeps the laughs coming.



Derby’s epic meltdowns (like this one) are my favorite part of Derpy’s comedy routine.



Derpy

 

[SmokingFap]

Your bullshit aside you can't name it either. Or is it that you simply don't know what the issue is?

Say it with me. Election. Interference.

17-152 “Any two or more persons who conspire to promote or prevent the election of any person to a public office by unlawful means….

Go back to milking that bull with your mouth, you fucking retard.

 

[AlexBailey]

No, he's too busy trying on the cute dresses from his wife's side of the closet.

It’s funny how you keep getting back to my sexuality and kinks. Why is that so present in your mind?

 

[SmokingFap]

It’s funny how you keep getting back to my sexuality and kinks. Why is that so present in your mind?

You dress in women's clothes. That makes you close enough to a woman for them to think you're too stupid to have an opinion that matters.

 

[stxjimmy]

And still they’re not convinced!

 

[SmokingFap]

And still they’re not convinced!

Never will be. MAGA is the true Lost Cause.

 

[stxjimmy]

Never will be. MAGA is the true Lost Cause.

Not the holy grail?

 

[SmokingFap]

Not the holy grail?

Great. Now I'm going to have to start watching some Monty Python.

 

[stxjimmy]

Great. Now I'm going to have to start watching some Monty Python.

I’d go for Life of Brian, their masterwork.

 

[SmokingFap]

I’d go for Life of Brian, their masterwork.

Always look on the bright side of life.

 

[stxjimmy]

Always look on the bright side of life.

Best to try!