Monday, April 15th: First Ever Criminal Trial for a Former US President

[Rightguide]

Keep telling yourself that. And keep crying.

Your projection is amusing. It tells me a lot about you. Would you like a tissue?

 

[dmallord]

Jonathan Turley Explains Why the Trump Verdict Is Ripe for Appeal
MATT MARGOLIS | 9:52 AM ON JUNE 02, 2024

"The Federal Election Commission likewise found no basis for a civil fine. With no federal prosecution, Bragg decided to use an unprecedented criminal theory not only to zap a dead misdemeanor into life (after the expiration of the statute of limitation) but to allow him to try violations of not only federal election law but also federal taxation violations."

"The indictment claimed a violation under New York’s election law 17-152 that the falsification of business records were committed to further another crime as an unlawful means to influence the election,” he points out. "However, in a maddeningly circular theory, that other crime could be the falsification of business records. It could also be violations of federal election and taxation laws, which Trump was never charged with, let alone convicted of."

“Judge Merchan allowed a torrent of immaterial and prejudicial evidence to be introduced into the trial by the prosecution. That included testimony from porn actress Stormy Daniels that went into details about having sex with Trump,” Turley writes. "She included a clear suggestion that Trump raped her. After this utterly disgraceful testimony, Merchan expressed regret but actually blamed the defense counsel, despite their prior objections to the testimony."

And finally, there’s the jury instructions. As Turley explains, despite numerous reversible errors a hung jury seemed possible, until Merchan gave his instructions to the jury—which seemed engineered to ensure a guilty verdict. The jury was permitted to conclude that the secondary offense could be any of three vaguely defined options without specifying which crime they found. Thus, the jury could have split 4-4-4 among conspiracy to conceal a federal election violation, falsification of business records, or taxation violations. This lack of clarity means Trump will never know the specific crime he was convicted of.

https://pjmedia.com/matt-margolis/2...why-trump-verdict-is-ripe-for-appeal-n4929546

These points by Turley have merit for appeal. All however will be lost on the propagandized left.

The previous DA looked at his double booking methods, one false set for taxes at the time he became President. In that effort, given the election results and Trump becoming President, he decided not to pursue the business fraud matter. The DA's time in office was expiring, so he halted the process.

At that point, incoming DA Bragg picked up the ball and pursued the matter. He learned about Stormy and tied that to the previous fraudulent bookkeeping, then added the aspect of elevation to a third level. COVID caused cases to be extended by Governor's decree, which was lawfully done, so the expiration was extended, so Turley overlooks that fact.

Stormy explicitly stated in her testimony the sex was consensual. Rape was not a claim. Turley is wrong.

Turley's last claim has been covered numerous times, and it has been repeatedly pointed out that this was not true.

He is correct about the right to appeal.

 

[SmokingFap]

More bad news for the hapless left. Four of the coordinated complaints filed in one week last month against Judge Cannon with the Federal 11th Circuit Court of Appeals have been thrown out as groundless.

Enjoy those trivial victories when you can. Fortunately, Cannon isn't in charge of all of the other, what... 49 felonies Trump is still facing, on top of the 34 he was just convicted on?

Cry some more.

 

[SmokingFap]

Your projection is amusing. It tells me a lot about you. Would you like a tissue?

I'm having a great time, rubbing your nose in the shitty reality you face, as well as chatting with three horny women about sex. Speaking of, why don't you go see if one of your sheep is in the mood? You could use some relief.

If you can stop crying long enough.

 

[dmallord]

Hey butthead, these prosecutors had meetings in the White House, with administration figures, and the DOJ. It's all been documented. The number three attorney in the Biden DOJ went to NYC to supervise and advise Bragg's prosecution of Trump. Fanni Willis and Leticia James both met with White House officials. And we know that Merrick Garland at the behest of the Biden White House is guiding the corrupt Jack Smith in his phony prosecution as well. There is a House committee investigating and taking sworn testimony on this issue as we speak.

The House has taken testimony for millions of days on Joe Biden. What did it get them? Answer: nothing but egg on their Republican faces.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Sexual assault does not mean rape.

rape?


Rape is forced sexual intercourse, including vaginal, anal, or oral penetration. Penetration may be by a body part or an object. Rape victims may be forced through threats or physical means.

The term sexual assault refers to sexual contact or behavior that occurs without explicit consent of the victim. Some forms of sexual assault include: Attempted rape. Fondling or unwanted sexual touching. Forcing a victim to perform sexual acts, such as oral sex or penetrating the perpetrator's

In a court of law they’re distinctly different.

so nice that you finally understand what your "hero" was convicted of, and of course you will also vote for him. That says a lot about the type of person you are....take a bow!!!

 

[icanhelp1]

so nice that you finally understand what your "hero" was convicted of, and of course you will also vote for him. That says a lot about the type of person you are....take a bow!!!

Another sham trial in NY. Found guilty of a crime committed in 1996 by a Trump hating prosecutor, Trump hating Judge and a Trump hating jury on flimsiest of hearsay evidence. It's more of the same bullshit, Trump cannot get a fair Trial in New York that's why criminal charges originate in New York, it's the only venue these political hacks can win.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Another sham trial in NY. Found guilty of a crime committed in 1996 by a Trump hating prosecutor, Trump hating Judge and a Trump hating jury on flimsiest of hearsay evidence. It's more of the same bullshit, Trump cannot get a fair Trial in New York that's why criminal charges originate in New York, it's the only venue these political hacks can win.

another post for your vanity thread...thanks!!

 

[dmallord]

All lawful reasons for any President.

And which of these applies to Trump sitting in a jail cell would legally entitle him to order the National Guard to break him out of jail?

The key conditions under which a president might declare martial law include:

1. Severe Domestic Unrest: This includes widespread riots, insurrections, or civil disturbances that local law enforcement and state authorities cannot control.
2. Natural Disasters: In the aftermath of catastrophic natural events such as hurricanes, earthquakes, or floods, if the local government is unable to maintain order, the president might declare martial law to restore order and provide relief.
3. Foreign Invasion or Attack: In the event of a direct foreign invasion or significant terrorist attack that overwhelms local and state capabilities, the president may declare martial law to ensure national security and maintain order.
4. Rebellion or Coup: If there is a rebellion or an attempted coup against the government, martial law might be declared to suppress the threat and restore government control.

Of course, he must negotiate with Congress over the checks and balances matters. So, if he can convince Congress that one of the above four conditions is applicable, he might try.

Question for you. Would a military body honor his orders if they thought he didn't issue a lawful command?

 

[icanhelp1]

another post for your vanity thread...thanks!!

YW

 

[dmallord]

Ironic, Trump gets charged and tried in Manhattan and Hunter gets tried in friendly downtown Delaware somewhere , WHO KNEW!!!

Tried in both places because that's where the crimes were committed in Trump's case and in Delaware, the alleged crime area in Biden's case. Sucks, but that's how it goes. When you committed the crime in NY you are tried there. Same in Biden's case of being in Delaware.

Twelve men and women from a pool of over 500 were screened by Trump's lawyers, who asked questions and weeded through them, each using peremptory strikes to remove a number of them for the defense and the prosecutor. Those 500 were randomly selected from among Manhattan residents.

My stats are rusty, so I looked that up and had a calculator do it for me:

To determine the probability that all 12 jurors out of a pool of 500 would be Democrats if the voting ratio is 95% Democrats, we can use the binomial probability formula. The binomial probability formula is:

P(X=k)=(nk)pk(1−p)n−kP(X=k)=(kn)pk(1−p)n−k. That turns out to be 54.04% of them being Democrats.

All thirty-four counts of guilty were determined by a unanimous decision. So nearly five or six of those RHINO Republicans sided with the rigged jury members to trounce Trump. [obviously]

Trump has lived there for decades. He was an icon - the master of the art of the deal, just like Al Capone. Everybody knew him by name and his shining orange hair. Tell me, by some strange happenstance, was he harpooned by twelve secretly selected Democratic whalers out to get him simply because he was a bad Republican?
[Sorry, I forgot, no one asked them their party affiliations when they were chosen, did they, Mr. Attorney?]

 

[adrina]

The charge was bogus. Only in NY and only Trump!

It's amazing how often you say Trump did nothing wrong.

If I had a dollar for every time you defended Trump, I could retire and live comfortably off the earned interest.

 

[icanhelp1]

It's amazing how often you say Trump did nothing wrong.

If I had a dollar for every time you defended Trump, I could retire and live comfortably off the earned interest.

Why are you so thick headed. Can anyone prove without a shred of doubt that Trump did what the accuser accused him of. No, it's her word against Trump's. It was a civil trial where proof beyond a reasonable doubt is not required and the jury went with guilty of sexual assault based on the preponderance of the bullshit. If this had been a rape case in criminal court it would have been thrown out due to lack of evidence or proof beyond a reasonable doubt. This judicial malfeasance isn't just about Trump, it's about venue, about having a fair trial. It's about officers of the court with a political agenda. The New York justice system has some real problems. What used to be the gold standard for juris prudence has now morphed into something right out of N Korea's penal system.

The same shit happened with Letitia James and that victimless fraud case at the hands of another overbearing activist judge and a biased prosecutor who campaigned on getting Trump.

 

[icanhelp1]

Tried in both places because that's where the crimes were committed in Trump's case and in Delaware, the alleged crime area in Biden's case. Sucks, but that's how it goes. When you committed the crime in NY you are tried there. Same in Biden's case of being in Delaware.

Twelve men and women from a pool of over 500 were screened by Trump's lawyers, who asked questions and weeded through them, each using peremptory strikes to remove a number of them for the defense and the prosecutor. Those 500 were randomly selected from among Manhattan residents.

My stats are rusty, so I looked that up and had a calculator do it for me:

To determine the probability that all 12 jurors out of a pool of 500 would be Democrats if the voting ratio is 95% Democrats, we can use the binomial probability formula. The binomial probability formula is:

P(X=k)=(nk)pk(1−p)n−kP(X=k)=(kn)pk(1−p)n−k. That turns out to be 54.04% of them being Democrats.

All thirty-four counts of guilty were determined by a unanimous decision. So nearly five or six of those RHINO Republicans sided with the rigged jury members to trounce Trump. [obviously]

Trump has lived there for decades. He was an icon - the master of the art of the deal, just like Al Capone. Everybody knew him by name and his shining orange hair. Tell me, by some strange happenstance, was he harpooned by twelve secretly selected Democratic whalers out to get him simply because he was a bad Republican?
[Sorry, I forgot, no one asked them their party affiliations when they were chosen, did they, Mr. Attorney?]

Can't wait for the verdict.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1797788175521259913

 

[adrina]

Why are you so thick headed. Can anyone prove without a shred of doubt that Trump did what the accuser accused him of. No, it's her word against Trump's. It was a civil trial where proof beyond a reasonable doubt is not required and the jury went with guilty of sexual assault based on the preponderance of the bullshit. If this had been a rape case in criminal court it would have been thrown out due to lack of evidence or proof beyond a reasonable doubt. This judicial malfeasance isn't just about Trump, it's about venue, about having a fair trial. It's about officers of the court with a political agenda. The New York justice system has some real problems. What used to be the gold standard for juris prudence has now morphed into something right out of N Korea's penal system.

The same shit happened with Letitia James and that victimless fraud case at the hands of another overbearing activist judge and a biased prosecutor who campaigned on getting Trump.

That would be another few bucks.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Hey butthead, these prosecutors had meetings in the White House, with administration figures, and the DOJ. It's all been documented. The number three attorney in the Biden DOJ went to NYC to supervise and advise Bragg's prosecution of Trump. Fanni Willis and Leticia James both met with White House officials. And we know that Merrick Garland at the behest of the Biden White House is guiding the corrupt Jack Smith in his phony prosecution as well. There is a House committee investigating and taking sworn testimony on this issue as we speak.

Please link those documents.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1797813697324482755

 

[SmokingFap]

Sexual assault does not mean rape.

Rape is forced sexual intercourse, including vaginal, anal, or oral penetration. Penetration may be by a body part or an object. Rape victims may be forced through threats or physical means.

THANK YOU! This definition you, and only you, provided validates the labeling of Donald Trump as a rapist! While the jury could not conclude exactly what body part Trump forced into Ms Carroll's vagina (penetration), they did agree that it was, at minimum, his fingers. Which I'm pretty sure by definition are considered "body parts". So by your own definition, Trump was found liable for, say it with me, RAPE!

The prosecution rests, Your Honor.

 

[SmokingFap]

Another sham trial in NY. Found guilty of a crime committed in 1996 by a Trump hating prosecutor, Trump hating Judge and a Trump hating jury on flimsiest of hearsay evidence. It's more of the same bullshit, Trump cannot get a fair Trial in New York that's why criminal charges originate in New York, it's the only venue these political hacks can win.

I imagine that eventually you'll claim that there are only FOUR venues in the country Trump could possibly be convicted in, FOUR places where he cannot possibly get a fair trial. Including Florida.

Keep crying, bitches.

 

[HisArpy]

Lol. So Trump is above the law?

You’re just a MAGA weasel aren’t you?

What law? The law your ideology discarded when they convicted him of "felonious bookkeeping"?

And you know all about them slippery little weasels who do despicable things behind your back. Intimately.

 

[HisArpy]

You sound upset again. Sure hope it wasn't caused by something I said.

Deplorables sure are sensitive these days. Maybe it has something to do with trying to defend a pathological liar.

I would rather defend a pathological liar than lynch an innocent man.

It seems as if you'd do the exact opposite merely out of political pique.

 

[HisArpy]

Yes. I am immune from retribution. And I absolutely don't have a problem with Trump being the first and only president to serve out his term in prison. It would be a huge inconvenience for him, but then again, he shouldn't have committed at least 34 crimes.

Lol, keep thinking that.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

What law? The law your ideology discarded when they convicted him of "felonious bookkeeping"?

And you know all about them slippery little weasels who do despicable things behind your back. Intimately.

Oh just shut the fuck up, anyone who claims water is carbon based, or you can be electrocuted by a 12 V car battery is an idiot, and who's opinion is irrelevant on any subject. *chuckles* and you've done both!!

 

[icanhelp1]

THANK YOU! This definition you, and only you, provided validates the labeling of Donald Trump as a rapist! While the jury could not conclude exactly what body part Trump forced into Ms Lee's vagina (penetration), they did agree that it was, at minimum, his fingers. Which I'm pretty sure by definition are considered "body parts". So by your own definition, Trump was found liable for, say it with me, RAPE!

The prosecution rests, Your Honor.

I find filing charges 20-25 years after the alleged crime was committed very suspicious. I read the transcript of the trial and under normal circumstances, pressing charges WITHIN a reasonable timeframe supported by a police report I would agree that Carroll had a compelling case for filing criminal charges, but that didn't happen.
This trial played on the emotions of the jury. Another ASA case allowing allegations (charges) that outran the statutes of limitations once again resurrect from the dead tried in a hostile NY venue. If Trump actually committed these crime I would totally agree throw his ass in prison. Just my opinion.