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Monday, April 15th: First Ever Criminal Trial for a Former US President

KeithD said:
Trump didn't get a security clearance the first time he became president. I'm not aware of any president who was put through the clearance process if they hadn't already done so before running for/winning the presidency.
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The candidates get checked after the convention. It's pro forma because even if the check comes back showing something, nothing can be done about it if that candidate is elected.

The interesting bit is that during his first term Trump was secretly denied classified material information because political operatives in the government decided he wasn't trustworthy enough to get it. So as far as receiving a security clearance goes, the entire scheme is meaningless if the people refuse to provide the information regardless of the clearance level.

What baffles me is that this information is out there. The people inside the government are shouting about how they undermined Trump's administration by going behind his back and contacting our opposition nations, withholding information, countermanding his decisions, and so on. And yet these people believe they did the right thing by doing all of that.

It's baffling. It's also seditious. And they're admitting it but no one is doing anything about it.
 
coati said:
Sorry, wrong answer, and one based on the false assertion the "opposing party" imprisoned the convicted felon. The oath could be administered to his VP-elect who would assume duties until the President-elect is available for swearing in.

D-minus for you on that exam, Harpy.

Do over.
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I openly said I don't know the answer and posted my thoughts based on what I know about how the order of succession works.

What I know isn't complete, which is why I said I don't know. What I do know is that we have precedent on who becomes President if the President elect dies before assuming office. We have precedent on who can be on the ballot if the candidate dies before the election. We have precedent on who gets sworn into the office if the President dies while in office. We even have rules to determine the order of succession if both the President and VP become incapacitated or die during the presidency.

What we don't have is anything to tell us who is President if the President elect cannot be sworn in because he's being imprisoned somewhere. ANYONE who believes that is a simple question to answer is a doofus. Bloody and violent wars have been fought over who succeeds to the seat of power when this kind of shit has been tried in the past and YOU FUCKING MORONS think that putting Trump in jail is the answer to all your political aspirations?

Trust me, you haven't thought this through. At all.
 
HisArpy said:
I openly said I don't know the answer and posted my thoughts based on what I know about how the order of succession works.

What I know isn't complete, which is why I said I don't know. What I do know is that we have precedent on who becomes President if the President elect dies before assuming office. We have precedent on who can be on the ballot if the candidate dies before the election. We have precedent on who gets sworn into the office if the President dies while in office. We even have rules to determine the order of succession if both the President and VP become incapacitated or die during the presidency.

What we don't have is anything to tell us who is President if the President elect cannot be sworn in because he's being imprisoned somewhere. ANYONE who believes that is a simple question to answer is a doofus. Bloody and violent wars have been fought over who succeeds to the seat of power when this kind of shit has been tried in the past and YOU FUCKING MORONS think that putting Trump in jail is the answer to all your political aspirations?

Trust me, you haven't thought this through. At all.
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I also don't exactly know the answer to this and don't feel like doing any research on it, but the swearing in of a president is a relatively simple and short ceremony that doesn't necessarily require five million in-person spectators. I would imagine, if needs be, the appropriate personnel and a Bible could bring about the swearing in in a prison cell. On live TV. For the entire world to see.
 
HisArpy said:
What we don't have is anything to tell us who is President if the President elect cannot be sworn in because he's being imprisoned somewhere. ANYONE who believes that is a simple question to answer is a doofus. Bloody and violent wars have been fought over who succeeds to the seat of power when this kind of shit has been tried in the past and YOU FUCKING MORONS think that putting Trump in jail is the answer to all your political aspirations?
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Sorry, Harpy, but that's the wrong response. Again. Another D-minus grade for you. I'm not sure how (or if) you ever received a law degree.

Once again you are making a major unfounded assumption that his conviction is purely a political persecution that his opponents simplistically believe will solve all their problems, as if Democrats are as simple-minded as Deplorables. WRONG. 30 points off your grade for projection and making assumptions.

Secondly, if Trump is indeed stupid enough to keep mouthing off to the Judge and get sentenced to time in the NY state pen that extends beyond inauguration day, his VP will have to temporarily assume Executive duties. Another 20 points off from your grade.

With all your unfounded assumptions and lack of knowledge about the role of the VP, I am compelled to disbar you from your position as the MAGAts' porn board "attorney".
 
coati said:
Sorry, Harpy, but that's the wrong response. Again. Another D-minus grade for you. I'm not sure how (or if) you ever received a law degree.

Once again you are making a major unfounded assumption that his conviction is purely a political persecution that his opponents simplistically believe will solve all their problems, as if Democrats are as simple-minded as Deplorables. WRONG. 30 points off your grade for projection and making assumptions.

Secondly, if Trump is indeed stupid enough to keep mouthing off to the Judge and get sentenced to time in the NY state pen that extends beyond inauguration day, his VP will have to temporarily assume Executive duties. Another 20 points off from your grade.

With all your unfounded assumptions and lack of knowledge about the role of the VP, I am compelled to disbar you from your position as the MAGAts' porn board "attorney".
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Speaking of, I'm starting to wonder if Trump is insane enough to not even pick a VP candidate. To just claim that he will serve both roles. That may have seemed like an laughable scenario in the past, but I honestly wouldn't put it past Trump to try that. He truly believes he is the messiah for America. Jesus had disciples, but not a Robin.
 
SmokingFap said:
Speaking of, I'm starting to wonder if Trump is insane enough to not even pick a VP candidate. To just claim that he will serve both roles. That may have seems like an insane possibility in the past, but I honestly wouldn't put it past Trump to try that. He truly believes he is the messiah for America. Jesus had disciples, but not a Robin.
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Barron or Donny Jr will be his VP.
 
HisArpy said:
First, go stuff your "real conversation" bullshit up your well worn asshole. You aren't having a "real conversation" here you're trying to spin the hell out of what happened in order to override that little voice in your head that's telling you exactly how badly things are fucked up because of your mental affliction.

Second, the NY prison system determines who may, and more importantly who may not, visit an inmate. If the warden says no, then it's no. Any "ceremonies" aren't going to make the list of permitted acts or behavior. Or do you think huge parties are allowed in prison?

Third, Merchan did everything in his power to limit the defense from being able to put on a defense. He didn't give Trump ANY of the deference due a defendant. He consistently and openly ruled against the defense and in favor of the state at every possible opportunity. Yes, some of the motions were a bit out there in terms of being reasonable, but the defense motions for recusal, venue change, mistrial, dismissal, irrelevant evidence, and so on were well taken and should have been granted. They weren't. They weren't because Merchan did what ALL corrupt judges do; he steered the trial in the direction his preconceived bias wanted it to go until it arrived at the predetermined outcome.

Further, Trump has been convicted. That conviction hasn't been upheld yet. Until it is, and all appeals have been exhausted, all you have is a talking point that's meaningless. This is why you raise the security clearance meme. And why you and all the usual suspects are so quick to toss out "he's a felon!!!" You're not stating anything other than your willingness to go along with the persecution and, to you, favorable political outcome in the hopes of scoring political points. Basically you're shouting to yourselves because no one else is listening to you. This is just another version of Nancy Pelosi tearing up the State of the Union speech, it's meaningless except as a political statement and designed to do only 1 thing - enrage the opposition.


BTW, did you know that according to the various news sources I read the Trump campaign has raised around $200 million since the verdict? And that 30% of those donors haven't EVER donated before to any party?

That's a hellova lot of first time political involvement against your brand of despotism and speaks to how much the people see what happened and are PISSED about this verdict you're crowing over. So enjoy your "victory while it lasts, you've managed to do what you intended and enraged a lot of people.
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You’re projecting about the “well worn asshole thing” you angry little turd of a man. You fuck yourself silly for everyone here to see every time you post. You’re obtuse to the point of satire, worth reading only for comic relief and a glimpse into a twisted extreme right ‘legal’ mind.

Where in your dumbfuckery do you allow that Trump is subject to the rule of law? You seem to want to defer to him as a sovereign. You simp. How much are you donating to the criminal millionaire?


(There, feel better? You nutless sad clown, is this your preferred style of discourse?)
 
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HisArpy said:
I openly said I don't know the answer and posted my thoughts based on what I know about how the order of succession works.

What I know isn't complete, which is why I said I don't know. What I do know is that we have precedent on who becomes President if the President elect dies before assuming office. We have precedent on who can be on the ballot if the candidate dies before the election. We have precedent on who gets sworn into the office if the President dies while in office. We even have rules to determine the order of succession if both the President and VP become incapacitated or die during the presidency.
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HisArpy said:
What we don't have is anything to tell us who is President if the President elect cannot be sworn in because he's being imprisoned somewhere. ANYONE who believes that is a simple question to answer is a doofus.
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So did you complain on precedent when trump refused sharing intel with president elect Biden? Or refused to form the customary transition committee? Or hinted before J6 that he was thinking about not leaving the WH? Did you say anything then about invoking the 25th? I didn’t check to see but If you did then kudos. Here’s what I know: There’s a constitutional question now before SCOTUS on presidential immunity. Joe Biden is and will be the president until any other person puts his/her hand on the Bible and takes the oath. If the Supreme Court rules in trump’s favor on immunity, like so many trumpers are hoping, then who gives a rats ass on where the president elect is if the sitting president now becomes immune from ceding power? If they rule against trump and he wins then I guess we will now face the constitutional crisis trump himself laid out in 2016 upon commenting on a presidential elect Hillary being a felon.
 
RoryN said:
No better way to start off the week than with a Deplorable MAGAt tantrum. 🥰🥰
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This is a leftover tantrum from last week when adrina, etc, broke Derpy. (Caused Derpy to have ANOTHER classic Derpy meltdown.)

😑
 
AlexBailey said:
You’re projecting about the “well worn asshole thing” you angry little turd of a man. You fuck yourself silly for everyone here to see every time you post. You’re obtuse to the point of satire, worth reading only for comic relief and a glimpse into a twisted extreme right ‘legal’ mind.

Where in your dumbfuckery do you allow that Trump is subject to the rule of law? You seem to want to defer to him as a sovereign. You simp. How much are you donating to the criminal millionaire?


(There, feel better? You nutless sad clown, is this your preferred style of discourse?)
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Lol, somebody ate his Wheaties this am and is feeling tough because his TDS is raging through his hormones.
 
coati said:
Sorry, Harpy, but that's the wrong response. Again. Another D-minus grade for you. I'm not sure how (or if) you ever received a law degree.

Once again you are making a major unfounded assumption that his conviction is purely a political persecution that his opponents simplistically believe will solve all their problems, as if Democrats are as simple-minded as Deplorables. WRONG. 30 points off your grade for projection and making assumptions.

Secondly, if Trump is indeed stupid enough to keep mouthing off to the Judge and get sentenced to time in the NY state pen that extends beyond inauguration day, his VP will have to temporarily assume Executive duties. Another 20 points off from your grade.

With all your unfounded assumptions and lack of knowledge about the role of the VP, I am compelled to disbar you from your position as the MAGAts' porn board "attorney".
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And yet another dipshit mouths off about things he knows ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about.

You're a real whinner; you know that?
 
SmokingFap said:
I also don't exactly know the answer to this and don't feel like doing any research on it, but the swearing in of a president is a relatively simple and short ceremony that doesn't necessarily require five million in-person spectators. I would imagine, if needs be, the appropriate personnel and a Bible could bring about the swearing in in a prison cell. On live TV. For the entire world to see.
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Provided the NY STATE prison warden isn't suffering from TDS this might be possible.

Then what? He obviously can't travel to DC to sit in the oval office. Does he automatically get 25th'd?

Or does he call in the NG to break him out of prison, declare martial law, and arrest everyone involved in his "trial"? Worse, does his VP do it after Trump is axed?

What?

Again, you idjits didn't think this through. At all. All you knew was that you had to "get Trump" by fair means or foul. Well, you got him, now what are you going to do with him? And can anyone predict if that will lead to a major karmic ass reaming? Trump is, after all, literally Hitler according to you dipshits and we all know what he did. Do you really think you're immune from retribution?
 
Jonathan Turley Explains Why the Trump Verdict Is Ripe for Appeal
MATT MARGOLIS | 9:52 AM ON JUNE 02, 2024

"The Federal Election Commission likewise found no basis for a civil fine. With no federal prosecution, Bragg decided to use an unprecedented criminal theory not only to zap a dead misdemeanor into life (after the expiration of the statute of limitation) but to allow him to try violations of not only federal election law but also federal taxation violations."

"The indictment claimed a violation under New York’s election law 17-152 that the falsification of business records were committed to further another crime as an unlawful means to influence the election,” he points out. "However, in a maddeningly circular theory, that other crime could be the falsification of business records. It could also be violations of federal election and taxation laws, which Trump was never charged with, let alone convicted of."

“Judge Merchan allowed a torrent of immaterial and prejudicial evidence to be introduced into the trial by the prosecution. That included testimony from porn actress Stormy Daniels that went into details about having sex with Trump,” Turley writes. "She included a clear suggestion that Trump raped her. After this utterly disgraceful testimony, Merchan expressed regret but actually blamed the defense counsel, despite their prior objections to the testimony."

And finally, there’s the jury instructions. As Turley explains, despite numerous reversible errors a hung jury seemed possible, until Merchan gave his instructions to the jury—which seemed engineered to ensure a guilty verdict. The jury was permitted to conclude that the secondary offense could be any of three vaguely defined options without specifying which crime they found. Thus, the jury could have split 4-4-4 among conspiracy to conceal a federal election violation, falsification of business records, or taxation violations. This lack of clarity means Trump will never know the specific crime he was convicted of.

https://pjmedia.com/matt-margolis/2...why-trump-verdict-is-ripe-for-appeal-n4929546

These points by Turley have merit for appeal. All however will be lost on the propagandized left.
 
Rightguide said:
Jonathan Turley Explains Why the Trump Verdict Is Ripe for Appeal
MATT MARGOLIS | 9:52 AM ON JUNE 02, 2024

"The Federal Election Commission likewise found no basis for a civil fine. With no federal prosecution, Bragg decided to use an unprecedented criminal theory not only to zap a dead misdemeanor into life (after the expiration of the statute of limitation) but to allow him to try violations of not only federal election law but also federal taxation violations."

"The indictment claimed a violation under New York’s election law 17-152 that the falsification of business records were committed to further another crime as an unlawful means to influence the election,” he points out. "However, in a maddeningly circular theory, that other crime could be the falsification of business records. It could also be violations of federal election and taxation laws, which Trump was never charged with, let alone convicted of."

“Judge Merchan allowed a torrent of immaterial and prejudicial evidence to be introduced into the trial by the prosecution. That included testimony from porn actress Stormy Daniels that went into details about having sex with Trump,” Turley writes. "She included a clear suggestion that Trump raped her. After this utterly disgraceful testimony, Merchan expressed regret but actually blamed the defense counsel, despite their prior objections to the testimony."

And finally, there’s the jury instructions. As Turley explains, despite numerous reversible errors a hung jury seemed possible, until Merchan gave his instructions to the jury—which seemed engineered to ensure a guilty verdict. The jury was permitted to conclude that the secondary offense could be any of three vaguely defined options without specifying which crime they found. Thus, the jury could have split 4-4-4 among conspiracy to conceal a federal election violation, falsification of business records, or taxation violations. This lack of clarity means Trump will never know the specific crime he was convicted of.

https://pjmedia.com/matt-margolis/2...why-trump-verdict-is-ripe-for-appeal-n4929546

These points by Turley have merit for appeal. All however will be lost on the propagandized left.
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Duplicate post. Turkey's commentary has been posted.multiple times already
 
Nah we should just let Trump get away with whatever crimes he wants to commit. Totally. We don't need no stinking law and order.
 
ll74 said:
Duplicate post. Turkey's commentary has been posted.multiple times already
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They sure line up behind Turley. Even though none of them can actually explain any of his talking points.

The fun part is watching them post stuff from him while complaining about the other so-called partisan news sources.
 
HisArpy said:
Provided the NY STATE prison warden isn't suffering from TDS this might be possible.

Then what? He obviously can't travel to DC to sit in the oval office. Does he automatically get 25th'd?

Or does he call in the NG to break him out of prison, declare martial law, and arrest everyone involved in his "trial"? Worse, does his VP do it after Trump is axed?

What?

Again, you idjits didn't think this through. At all. All you knew was that you had to "get Trump" by fair means or foul. Well, you got him, now what are you going to do with him? And can anyone predict if that will lead to a major karmic ass reaming? Trump is, after all, literally Hitler according to you dipshits and we all know what he did. Do you really think you're immune from retribution?
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Yes. I am immune from retribution. And I absolutely don't have a problem with Trump being the first and only president to serve out his term in prison. It would be a huge inconvenience for him, but then again, he shouldn't have committed at least 34 crimes.
 
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