I'm glad of its under 18 rule

[Kumquatqueen]

Eh, I went to a magnet school, which does tend to lean older I suppose. But not exceedingly so.

I suspect most staffs were mostly not particularly attractive to most pupils, but IME there were always a few who were enjoyable to look at, which improved those lessons no end.

It was widely believed that my all-girl secondary school had a hiring rule that all male teachers under 40 had to be married, or put in writing that they were gay, or be Mr X (a great teacher but distinctly odd-looking). Or be clergy, but that didn't work and they were got rid of (one got drunk and beat a girl up, one had a breakdown after being attacked/seduced by a student who was about 18 - so not what you might have guessed). Fortunately I preferred looking at women, so there was a reasonable selection.

 

[AndersonsBiographer]

one had a breakdown after being attacked/seduced by a student who was about 18 - so not what you might have guessed

Ouch.

One reason why I am NEVER alone with female students (probably best to avoid being alone with any of them), and why I try to only work in places with good union support.

Sure, no sane 18 year-old of either gender will ever even pretend to be interested in my decrepit old ass, thank god. But, there are plenty of insane ones.

 

[darkride]

It of course varies from country to country, century to century, but having girls married off at 12-15 and boys from 15-18 was pretty common fair historically. Presumably (though not necessarily in every case) sex was occurring at that point in time.

We know now that adolescent brains do not reach maturity til around 25.

When there is an an age imbalance between 2 people having sex - such as a 40 year old and a 15 year old - in our much more civilised, educated world we live in - we now see this as abusive, as the 40 year old has much more life experience and could easily be manipulating the 15 year old and taking advantage of them.

Of course, it is not practical to set an age limit of 25 for people to have sex / vote / etc because by that point society expects you to be employed, fighting for your country, or whatever. As such, a middle ground of sorts has been established, tending to set the age of content to around 18 - same point as voting / drinking etc.

Yes, I'm aware of the hypocracy of me writing the above whilst writing a story about inter-generation sex with Dom/sub relationships... But you see, that's fiction.

When I think of 'reality', I tend to think of horror stories like the foster child in her teens who was abused by both her step brother and step father, and when they got her pregnant, then murdered her. And that's not erotic at all...

I don't know what point I'm making... I think I'm just pointless right now.

 

[Abbafan]

It of course varies from country to country, century to century, but having girls married off at 12-15 and boys from 15-18 was pretty common fair historically. Presumably (though not necessarily in every case) sex was occurring at that point in time.

Others have pointed this out, but it's really not there because of legalities or what's socially acceptable. I think they are so rigid about the 18 year old rule because they don't want to take even the smallest risk of being labeled a child porn site and they don't want to deal with the endless arguments that are sure to result as soon as they allow for even a small grey area.

"But you allowed this story where a sixteen year old makes out with an seventeen year old. What's wrong with my story about two sixteen year olds feeling each other up a little bit?"

"Then why can't I have a story where two seventeen year olds dry hump?"

"But in my story they are almost seventeen!"

And so on...

 

[KeithD]

I think the site owners have the under 18 rule simply because they don't want to have that material on their site. Sites that have broader policies aren't really being attacked for doing so as far as I can see.

 

[Kelliezgirl]

I think the site owners have the under 18 rule simply because they don't want to have that material on their site. Sites that have broader policies aren't really being attacked for doing so as far as I can see.

That's a very good point.
There's another thread that talks about a bunch of sites that allow under 18 content.
The mob that so many seem to think exists hasn't gotten their pitchforks and torches out to burn those sites at the stake.

 

[lovecraft68]

The mob that so many seem to think exists hasn't gotten their pitchforks and torches out to burn those sites at the stake.

Because a lot of that mob are projecting their own desires. That mob exists here in the AH whenever the topic comes up, but I have a feeling its more for posturing and to kiss site ass. Which leads me to the point I'll repeat what I've said many times. I don't think this site is as against underage as they claim. Just don't be stupid and make them look bad, wink wink.

In the end, writing underage sex is not illegal, so I don't view a site poorly if they allow it. However, there are some limits. The guy that was busted last year for posting underage stories, but because they also featured violence and abuse, it wasn't purely erotic, and the ages were more in line with kiddie porn than wanting to write about two 15 year old kids having a first time.

 

[MillieDynamite]

This reminds me of the new Guyco commercial where they mistake Frankenstien's Monster's cousin for him.

Because a lot of that mob are projecting their own desires. That mob exists here in the AH whenever the topic comes up, but I have a feeling its more for posturing and to kiss site ass. Which leads me to the point I'll repeat what I've said many times. I don't think this site is as against underage as they claim. Just don't be stupid and make them look bad, wink wink.

In the end, writing underage sex is not illegal, so I don't view a site poorly if they allow it. However, there are some limits. The guy that was busted last year for posting underage stories, but because they also featured violence and abuse, it wasn't purely erotic, and the ages were more in line with kiddie porn than wanting to write about two 15 year old kids having a first time.

 

[KeithD]

Material contrary to acceptance policy isn't unique to Literotica. It happens at Amazon too and anyplace else not staffed up to closely read the submissions. I don't think it's a conspiracy of any sort and as long as it is author friendly--letting more rather than less get through--I don't see why it justifies vigilante scrutiny. Authors would be better engaged, I think, to be happy with whatever stories of theirs are getting through and paying less attention to what others are getting through. If you encounter a story that gives you the vapors, just go read something else. It's an adult site asking for adults to take responsibility for themselves.

 

[StillStunned]

It's an adult site asking for adults to take responsibility for themselves.

I protest! As soon as you go online, all responsibility is someone else's.

 

[KeithD]

I protest! As soon as you go online, all responsibility is someone else's.

And it's your kink that should be published, not someone else's.

 

[StillStunned]

And it's your kink that should be published, not someone else's.

Clearly the ones that I don't share aren't kinks, they're perversions.

 

[M_K_Babalon]

I don't hate the rule, but I also don't love it. It makes it hard to write a coming-of-age story.

That's why I don't write them here. I from time to time read porn comics, and when I come across incest ones, regardless of how you feel about that, seeing a 16-20 year old not know how to have sex much less masturbate is kinda cringy, or not understand what an erection is. Yeah... not trying to do a 19 year olds coming to age story... of an adult.

 

[M_K_Babalon]

Others have pointed this out, but it's really not there because of legalities or what's socially acceptable. I think they are so rigid about the 18 year old rule because they don't want to take even the smallest risk of being labeled a child porn site and they don't want to deal with the endless arguments that are sure to result as soon as they allow for even a small grey area.

"But you allowed this story where a sixteen year old makes out with an seventeen year old. What's wrong with my story about two sixteen year olds feeling each other up a little bit?"

"Then why can't I have a story where two seventeen year olds dry hump?"

"But in my story they are almost seventeen!"

And so on...

The 18+ rule doesn't stop those... grievances... from happening. You been here long enough to know it.

 

[Abbafan]

The 18+ rule doesn't stop those... grievances... from happening. You been here long enough to know it.

People complain about the strict enforcement of the rule. I haven't seen complaints similar to the examples I gave, about some underage activities being allowed but not similar activities with slightly younger people. That's because no underage activities are allowed. There's not much to reference if someone wants to use that kind of comparison argument to get something in one of their stories.

There is a difference.

I would guess that the complaints about the rule being too strict are easier to dismiss than the sort of grey area arguments that would come up if they weren't so strict.

 

[CarmineBlancheJr]

I am struggling with this right now because I have a story that keeps coming back. I edit and add explanations, but it gets kicked back. At first I thought it was because the older man kept calling the younger woman, "Little Girl". But she clearly says she is twenty-one early in the story... but I took the "girl" out and replaced it with "woman".

The only thing I can think of is a section where he talks about how, two weeks after his eighteenth birthday, his guidance counselor seduced him. I guess I need to get rid of that, too.

 

[ElectricBlue]

I am struggling with this right now because I have a story that keeps coming back. I edit and add explanations, but it gets kicked back. At first I thought it was because the older man kept calling the younger woman, "Little Girl". But she clearly says she is twenty-one early in the story... but I took the "girl" out and replaced it with "woman".

The only thing I can think of is a section where he talks about how, two weeks after his eighteenth birthday, his guidance counselor seduced him. I guess I need to get rid of that, too.

How are you depicting your characters? If they're portrayed as adults, your story shouldn't have a problem.

Taking into account the rejection comments (usually expressed as a set of questions), read your story more closely, trying to forget what you think you wrote, versus what you actually wrote.

If it keeps coming back for the same reasons, look harder for phrases or sentences that could be read in two ways - it means stepping back from the story, and reading what you've actually written more closely.

Usually, in cases like this, it's either because there's some ambiguous content age-wise which can be easily fixed, or the writer is blatantly pushing the line, which can't be fixed.

 

[CarmineBlancheJr]

How are you depicting your characters? If they're portrayed as adults, your story shouldn't have a problem.

Taking into account the rejection comments (usually expressed as a set of questions), read your story more closely, trying to forget what you think you wrote, versus what you actually wrote.

If it keeps coming back for the same reasons, look harder for phrases or sentences that could be read in two ways - it means stepping back from the story, and reading what you've actually written more closely.

Usually, in cases like this, it's either because there's some ambiguous content age-wise which can be easily fixed, or the writer is blatantly pushing the line, which can't be fixed.

It's a relationship between a 65 year old and a 21 year old. He is very large, 6 foot 9, and she is barely 5 feet tall.

It's part of a series and this is the second part. I would think that if something was wrong with the character dynamics they would have blocked the first part. I had a beta reader go over it, whom I trust, and she cannot see anything underage about it.

I will try taking out the part about the guidance counselor and see if that fixes it. If not, and it gets kicked back again, I am going to trash the series.

 

[ElectricBlue]

It's a relationship between a 65 year old and a 21 year old. He is very large, 6 foot 9, and she is barely 5 feet tall.

It's part of a series and this is the second part. I would think that if something was wrong with the character dynamics they would have blocked the first part. I had a beta reader go over it, whom I trust, and she cannot see anything underage about it.

I will try taking out the part about the guidance counselor and see if that fixes it. If not, and it gets kicked back again, I am going to trash the series.

Don't give up so quickly. On the assumption that it's Daddy/little role play oriented, you probably need to consider exactly how you're describing your woman, her small size, and make sure the story is more focused on the psychology between them, not her cute little boobs.

 

[Bramblethorn]

I am struggling with this right now because I have a story that keeps coming back. I edit and add explanations, but it gets kicked back. At first I thought it was because the older man kept calling the younger woman, "Little Girl". But she clearly says she is twenty-one early in the story... but I took the "girl" out and replaced it with "woman".

Some people will write stories with characters who are clearly meant to be understood as under-18, with a lot of physical description and personality/etc. that strongly suggests a younger character, and then stick on an "I'd just turned 18" in the hope of getting that story past the rules here. If Laurel gets the impression you're trying to do that, the story will be rejected.

If you have stuff like Daddy/little roleplay, and big size differences, then you might need to work extra-hard in other aspects of the story to portray her as a physically and mentally mature woman. Not just saying "BTW she's 21" but writing scenes where she's doing grown-up things with a grown-up mindset, that kind of thing.

 

[CarmineBlancheJr]

Some people will write stories with characters who are clearly meant to be understood as under-18, with a lot of physical description and personality/etc. that strongly suggests a younger character, and then stick on an "I'd just turned 18" in the hope of getting that story past the rules here. If Laurel gets the impression you're trying to do that, the story will be rejected.

If you have stuff like Daddy/little roleplay, and big size differences, then you might need to work extra-hard in other aspects of the story to portray her as a physically and mentally mature woman. Not just saying "BTW she's 21" but writing scenes where she's doing grown-up things with a grown-up mindset, that kind of thing.

I understand... The female, while she does talk a little "immature" it is more that she has been a momma's girl and was just accepted to a college. The male character is former FBI that become attracted to her, but she makes the first moves. The topic of her age comes up in the first story, then again in this part. THere is a sex scene where he is too big for her and she struggles to take him in, but if you pay attention to the rest of the story, that part make sense because she is so small.

I wonder if Laurel just uses an algo to process these the first time around. I gave detailed explanations of this in my response but it was like they were not paid attention to.

 

[CarmineBlancheJr]

I'm just taking out the part about the guidance counselor...

 

[ElectricBlue]

I'm just taking out the part about the guidance counselor...

White do you think that's the problem?

 

[CarmineBlancheJr]

White do you think that's the problem?

After re-re-re-reading it, looking for flags that might stand out as "underage", it's the only thing I could find that might trigger someone.

 

[ElectricBlue]

After re-re-re-reading it, looking for flags that might stand out as "underage", it's the only thing I could find that might trigger someone.

All you can do then, is remove that scene and resubmit. If it gets another rejection, that wasn't it.