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[butters]

Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Monday called the country’s deadly weekend strike on a Rafah displacement camp a “tragic mistake,” as global outrage over the number of civilians killed in its war in Gaza mounted.

According to the Gaza Health Ministry, Sunday night’s strike killed at least 45 Palestinians and wounded almost 200 others taking shelter in tents for displaced people in the southern Gaza city of Rafah, where roughly 1 million Palestinians have sought refuge during Israel’s military offensive.

regardless of the absolute certainty or distrust (anywhere inbetween) of the Gaza Health Ministry's figures, it was clearly big enough for netanyahu to feel forced to speak out.

yes, i fully agree hamas should give up the hostages AS SHOULD netanyahu's gov't, & hamas should be eradicated as a power (as should netanyahu's gov't).
my real problem right now is that Israel KNOWS the conditions in Rafah—the people who cannot escape what was supposed to be a safe zone, and yet opted to bomb the civilian population there anyway, then claim it as an 'error'.

“Despite our utmost efforts not to harm innocent civilians, last night, there was a tragic mistake,” Netanyahu said. “We are investigating the incident and will obtain a conclusion because this is our policy.”

Shortly after the attack, the Israel Defense Forces announced that two senior Hamas officials had been killed in a strike carried out “on the basis of precise intelligence,” though the IDF also acknowledged reports that “several civilians in the area were harmed.”

i have no problems with the IDF taking out 2 senior hamas officials. I DO have huge issues with them killing and wounding masses of civilians just to get those 2.

Doctors Without Borders said it had treated 180 injured people with shrapnel wounds, fractures, traumatic injuries and burns.

“Women and children were among the people that were brought to the stabilization point, and once again, civilians are paying the price of this war,” Samuel Johann, the organization’s Gaza coordinator, said in a statement. “This Israeli attack on a populated camp in a so-called ‘safe zone’ in Rafah shows the complete disregard for the lives of civilians in Gaza.”

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...p&cvid=027e1af511694aeca6e93b015c435b76&ei=73

 

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Israel’s military confirmed it carried out an airstrike in northwestern Rafah on Sunday night based on “precise intelligence." The strike killed two senior Hamas officials, it added, including Yassin Rabia, the commander of the group’s operations in the West Bank. A Hamas official confirmed to The Post that two of members of the group had been killed.

The IDF said in a statement Monday there were “many measures taken before the attack to minimize harm to non-involved people, including using precision weaponry. Based on these measures, no harm was expected to non-involved civilians.”

how could it not? some 'confusion' as the what constitutes 'precision weaponry', a total disregard of any orders to use just that, or a complete 'let's make the fuck sure we wipe them out and anyone else in the way, whelp...'?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...p&cvid=027e1af511694aeca6e93b015c435b76&ei=32

 

[Lazaran]

G-d damn, Laz, I read the article.
The article says "Hamas fired rockets on Tel Aviv". A delicate bit of wordsmithing by the Israeli Genocide Force never says exactly WHERE the rockets were fired from, only that Israel retaliated.

And where did they target their retaliation? On a strip of land previously marked as a safe zone.

Israel did this deliberately.

Amoral, gutless butchers of women and children. Israel is a terrorist nation.

This is the part of your article that specifies the location of WHERE the Hamas rocket were fired from:

“The attack came after Hamas launched rockets at Tel Aviv on Sunday for the first time in months. The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) said that eight rockets were fired from the Rafah area, and that “a number of projectiles” had been intercepted. The IDF said it destroyed the rocket launchers used by Hamas shortly after the strikes.”



Now granted, the Israeli’s also went after some high ranking Hamas operatives in Rafah as well, but that isn’t surprising considering that the rocket attack originated from the Rafah area.

 

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Muhammad Al-Mughair, a civil defense official in Gaza, told The Post that the makeshift camp was inside Block 2371, which he said was an Israeli-designated humanitarian safe zone for displaced Palestinians.

Residents in the block were not ordered to evacuate ahead of the strikes, and there was confusion on the ground as to whether Israel had designated it a humanitarian zone. Gazans told The Post that Arabic-language pamphlets previously dropped by the Israel Defense Forces over Gaza about safe zones — a key source of information for people there — were imprecisely phrased.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...p&cvid=027e1af511694aeca6e93b015c435b76&ei=32

 

[butters]

This is the part of your article that specifies the location of WHERE the Hamas rocket were fired from:

“The attack came after Hamas launched rockets at Tel Aviv on Sunday for the first time in months. The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) said that eight rockets were fired from the Rafah area, and that “a number of projectiles” had been intercepted. The IDF said it destroyed the rocket launchers used by Hamas shortly after the strikes.”



Now granted, the Israeli’s also went after some high ranking Hamas operatives in Rafah as well, but that isn’t surprising considering that the rocket attack originated from the Rafah area.

i cannot blame the IDF for wanting to take out the rocket launchers, or go after the hamas officials... but somehow i don't believe the rocket launchers were in those tents along with the elderly, sick, infirm, children and all the displaced people just trying to stay alive in this war.

 

[icanhelp1]

Oops! Israeli air strike on refugee camp kills 45 civilians on Sunday.

How egregious was this war crime?

No less than Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu deemed this cowardly criminal act a "tragic mistake".

Untermensch

 

[Lazaran]

i cannot blame the IDF for wanting to take out the rocket launchers, or go after the hamas officials... but somehow i don't believe the rocket launchers were in those tents along with the elderly, sick, infirm, children and all the displaced people just trying to stay alive in this war.

I would submit that there should be no innocents in Rafah after the significant amount of time and warning the Israelis gave prior to launching their latest operation.



Also:

Hamas shouldn’t be launching rockets from Rafah and using it as a terror base if innocents are present.



Hamas should immediately surrender and release the hostages instead of bringing more death and suffering upon innocent Gazans.

 

[icanhelp1]

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024...aels-tel-aviv-causing-first-sirens-for-months

Hamas says it has launched rockets at Tel Aviv, prompting sirens to sound in the Israeli city for the first time in several months.

The Israeli military said on Sunday that eight rockets were launched from the Rafah area in southern Gaza, where its forces have continued a ground assault despite an order from the International Court of Justice (ICJ) to halt operations there.

KEEP READING​

 

[butters]

I would submit that there should be no innocents in Rafah after the significant amount of time and warning the Israelis gave prior to launching their latest operation.

doctors on the ground say there's nowhere safe to go
and to move over 1,000,000 people, many unable to travel independently on foot, malnourished and shattered (emotionally, psychologically and physically) in such a short time frame when there's nowhere else safe to go, it's just an ideal to imagine only the guilty might remain in the zone.

Also:

Hamas shouldn’t be launching rockets from Rafah and using it as a terror base if innocents are present.

of course not
but, again, how close were those launchers to the tents? they certainly weren't 'in' the tents with the displaced people fleeing the violence and famine all around them. If this was, for example, the UK bombing a part of Ireland (hypothetical) and opting to use weaponry capable of causing such destruction to civilians already feeling from war-ravaged areas of Ireland in order to assure killing 2 'terrorists, how would the world react when mass casualties were the outcome? Would world leaders (or people, in general) accept the loss of those innocent lives for the sake of 2 or would they protest the act loudly?
we all agree what hamas shouldn't be doing, and probably also what it should, but that's not the reality in this conflict and Israel still has a duty of care to try and protect the civilian population.

Hamas should immediately surrender and release the hostages instead of bringing more death and suffering upon innocent Gazans.

of course. will it happen? no
does that justify Israel's mass civilian death/casualty statistics? no, at least not in my opinion.

 

[butters]

hmmn, unhypothetically, when the IRA was busy bombing London on the regular, I don't recall seeing England indiscriminately bombing the Catholic quarters of N.Ireland. Troops on the ground, for sure, and all manner of shit going down, but these terrorists lived right there among their fellow n/Irelanders, sometimes next-door neighbours, certainly often in the same street, the same row of houses.

of course, it was the Brits' murdering of 13 and wounding of 14 civil rights protestors on Bloody Sunday that kicked shit off big time, though the history goes back a whole lot longer than that.

 

[snailspace]

But you said they couldn't be evacuated.What you really meant to say was.You want to save her mask?That's why you don't want the jews to go in there

https://twitter.com/x/status/1795386020252500264

 

[snailspace]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1795401067527577917

But you said they couldn't be evacuated.What you really meant to say was.You want to save her mask?That's why you don't want the jews to go in there

https://twitter.com/x/status/1795386020252500264

https://twitter.com/x/status/1795401067527577917

 

[snailspace]

The so called attack.

A hoax

https://twitter.com/x/status/1795454981757100186

 

[Sappho_CGN]

War crime is a legal issue not a morale question. No one relating only on newspaper articles can really judge whether dead civilians caused by artillery or air attacks are victims of a war crime.

 

[ll74]

War crime is a legal issue not a morale question. No one relating only on newspaper articles can really judge whether dead civilians caused by artillery or air attacks are victims of a war crime.

I think the ICJ does itself a disservice by judging parties during ongoing, fuzzy events. It really comes down to intent of the officers during the event which can't be known with the information available.

All in all, most of the Geneva convention centers around civilians and objectively focuses on the protection of those people, regardless of anything else.

 

[Sappho_CGN]

The UN Convention does not declare that the life of civilians must be saved under all circumstances.

 

[ll74]

The UN Convention does not declare that the life of civilians must be saved under all circumstances.

I never suggested otherwise.

 

[RobDownSouth]

The Israeli Attorney General made a rare public statement today stating that they're looking into criminal charges against whoever dropped the bombs on the Gaza "safety zone". I'm guessing some pilot got a "wink nudge" from his or her superior officer during the bombing briefing.

Why does Israel even have an attorney general if Israelis by definition can do no wrong?

 

[snailspace]

The Israeli Attorney General made a rare public statement today stating that they're looking into criminal charges against whoever dropped the bombs on the Gaza "safety zone". I'm guessing some pilot got a "wink nudge" from his or her superior officer during the bombing briefing.

Why does Israel even have an attorney general if Israelis by definition can do no wrong?

charge your buddies

https://twitter.com/x/status/1795454981757100186

 

[snailspace]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1795112671831834867

 

[Rightguide]

The Israeli Attorney General made a rare public statement today stating that they're looking into criminal charges against whoever dropped the bombs on the Gaza "safety zone". I'm guessing some pilot got a "wink nudge" from his or her superior officer during the bombing briefing.

Why does Israel even have an attorney general if Israelis by definition can do no wrong?

Because no such standard exists.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

It would be kinda cool after decades of bitching for the Israelis to commit genocide while America cheered em on.

There will still be plenty of Arabs after Hamas is destroyed.

 

[Rightguide]

Well, the floating pier is in shambles and a couple of Army ships holding it are aground in Gaza. One giant embarrassment for Joe Biden's inept planners.

 

[ll74]

Well, the floating pier is in shambles and a couple of Army ships holding it are aground in Gaza. One giant embarrassment for Joe Biden's inept planners.

Yes, it's embarrassing to strive to provide aid to those in need.

 

[Rightguide]

Yes, it's embarrassing to strive to provide aid to those in need.

...and fail. Yes it is.