Monday, April 15th: First Ever Criminal Trial for a Former US President

[ll74]

Joe Biden Isn’t Going to Like What the Data Tells Us About Trump’s Manhattan Trial.​

Democrats hoping to sink former President Donald Trump‘s reelection efforts via Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg‘s lawfare ‘hush money‘ trial will be disappointed. A Quinnipiac University national poll conducted last week reveals that half of voters do not think Trump did anything illegal. Furthermore, a significant majority of voters said that the trial’s outcome would make no difference in their decision on election day.
The poll shows that 29 percent of voters think Trump did something unethical but not illegal, and another 21 percent say they think Trump did nothing wrong. Less than half of voters — 46 percent — believe Trump did something illegal. The 46 percent of voters who think Trump did something illegal is driven largely by Democrats. When broken down by voter registration, 85 percent of Democrats think Trump broke the law compared to just 9 percent of Republicans and 44 percent of independents. A majority of independents — 53 percent — do not think Trump broke the law.

More here: https://thenationalpulse.com/2024/0...e-data-tells-us-about-trumps-manhattan-trial/

He didn't bring the charges. Not much he can do about that.

 

[adrina]

4 major indictments against Trump, are you blind.

Name me one democrat that has gone through an investigation (Mueller investigation) 2 impeachments, 4 major sham indictments a sham Fraud case and a sexual assault case from 30 years ago.

Well that's what happens to criminals.

 

[Rightguide]

A warrant is a warrant. They don't change the procedures. If Biden's search required one, force would also be included.

Did they deconflict with Trump's SS security team? You don't know do you? The warrant gives the FBI authority to engage his security detail. When has this ever happened before? Never. Democrats do not want Trump to run and they will stop at "nothing" to stop him. That's why they thought all of this phony shit up.

A warrant is a warrant. They don't change the procedures. If Biden's search required one, force would also be included.

They let Joe schedule his own search.

 

[stxjimmy]

I didn't resort to name calling. I didn't call him or his family names. I pointed to a medical condition.

Standard operating procedures. You really need medical attention there Pinocchio!

Does dmallord release he has a medical condition known as a wooden nose?

 

[adrina]

Does dmallord release he has a medical condition known as a wooden nose?

And the fun of him demanding to know which doctor has diagnosed Trump with alzheimer's while he plays partisan arm chair psychologist dishing out mental diagnoses - but then that's irony for you.

 

[stxjimmy]

And the fun of him demanding to know which doctor has diagnosed Trump with alzheimer's while he plays partisan arm chair psychologist dishing out mental diagnoses - but then that's irony for you.

There’s a good few here who would find a sense of irony a help to clarity of thought.

 

[ll74]

Did they deconflict with Trump's SS security team?

They did

You don't know do you? The warrant gives the FBI authority to engage his security detail. When has this ever happened before? Never. Democrats do not want Trump to run and they will stop at "nothing" to stop him. That's why they thought all of this phony shit up.

Force possibility will always be needed for a warrant. Ex Presidents don't get special treatment.

They let Joe schedule his own search.

He cooperated rather than knowingly move shit around and lie about it.

 

[dmallord]

4 major indictments against Trump, are you blind.

Name me one democrat that has gone through an investigation (Mueller investigation) 2 impeachments, 4 major sham indictments a sham Fraud case and a sexual assault case from 30 years ago.

Prosecutorial discretion favors democrats was my point.

It seems that a man with such a bad reputation should be taken into custody and tried for those things so that the public can see that justice is fair and impartial. Most everybody else who is accused of crimes goes through that process. His lawyers did time for the fewer crimes they got caught up in. Other lawyers are awaiting their trials. Seems fair to me. BTW, just one crime is sufficient for a trial; no need to go overboard because he has piles of them on his desk to deal with.

As for naming one Democrat...well, none come to mind that have the stains of crime written on them, such as those against Trump. Like stink on shit, he has managed to draw some flies.

How is it that he rants today about Biden putting out an assassination order for him and his family...and he survives? Or was that just hyperbolic freedom of speech expression to rile up his base? Nothing else in the news to draw attention so he comes up with than line of unbelievable crap. Clearly you are bright enough to understand he told, what number, the four millionth lie?

Are you blind? Or are you embarrassed so that you can't shift positions to accept the truth about Trump?

 

[dmallord]

Joe Biden Isn’t Going to Like What the Data Tells Us About Trump’s Manhattan Trial.​

Democrats hoping to sink former President Donald Trump‘s reelection efforts via Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg‘s lawfare ‘hush money‘ trial will be disappointed. A Quinnipiac University national poll conducted last week reveals that half of voters do not think Trump did anything illegal. Furthermore, a significant majority of voters said that the trial’s outcome would make no difference in their decision on election day.
The poll shows that 29 percent of voters think Trump did something unethical but not illegal, and another 21 percent say they think Trump did nothing wrong. Less than half of voters — 46 percent — believe Trump did something illegal. The 46 percent of voters who think Trump did something illegal is driven largely by Democrats. When broken down by voter registration, 85 percent of Democrats think Trump broke the law compared to just 9 percent of Republicans and 44 percent of independents. A majority of independents — 53 percent — do not think Trump broke the law.

More here: https://thenationalpulse.com/2024/0...e-data-tells-us-about-trumps-manhattan-trial/

Are those poll responders on the jury panel?

 

[dmallord]

Did they deconflict with Trump's SS security team? You don't know do you? The warrant gives the FBI authority to engage his security detail. When has this ever happened before? Never. Democrats do not want Trump to run and they will stop at "nothing" to stop him. That's why they thought all of this phony shit up.

They let Joe schedule his own search.

Television news says the FBI coordinated the Mar-a-Lago search with the security team. Trump you remember, wasn't there at the time of the search. That it never happened before isn't important. What is, is that the warrant was lawful and legally conducted. No phony shit about that process happened.

I think one of your statements is accurate: Democrats do not want Trump to run. With good reasons, I believe.

 

[Bray123]

Did they deconflict with Trump's SS security team? You don't know do you? The warrant gives the FBI authority to engage his security detail. When has this ever happened before? Never. Democrats do not want Trump to run and they will stop at "nothing" to stop him. That's why they thought all of this phony shit up.

They let Joe schedule his own search.

Try to pay attention.
The exact same wording was included when they retrieved the documents from Biden's home.

 

[Bray123]

Trump stands on courtroom steps and announces that when he declares himself winner of the next election, he'll instruct his followers to pass laws to make him exempt from any prosecutions in future.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1790141767632752963

 

[dmallord]

Yes it does!!!! I don't know about you but I had friends wounded by IEDs and crippled for life because of that fucking murderer.

Building bridges with terrorist??? Are you fucking kidding me???? Do you have any idea what message that sends to the rest of the world. It's more vacillation and lack of courage by Biden to stand up to these fucking murderers, either that or the Biden administration is in bed with this terrorist organization. I wonder how Israel feels about Biden sending condolences to the terrorist that was planning the destruction of Israel.

Richard Nixon had established a friendship with Nasser right from the moment Nixon won the presidency. So, are you trying to say Biden had a warm relationship with Ebrahim Raisi? a scumbag who murdered hundreds of US soldiers. You need to stop justifying all of Biden's fuckups. He is the most incompetent foreign policy designer in history.

I empathize with your grief. I have my own as well.

I've carried a great deal of hatred over the years over the loss of fellow combatants. I have my own disabilities from my time at war–fingers missing. Coming home and finding myself hated and despised was a low point. It got worse when all the shit and lies about Vietnam came out later. A place we should never have been. My views at the time were that I was called to duty, so I went. Then we have that weapons of mass destruction war. Damn, it never seems to stop. Ukraine is fighting for the survival of a nation. Israel is at war over genocidal hatred. Africa...Haiti...

I wasn't sure why we were in Vietnam at the time. I was eighteen. What the hell did I know at that point? Called–I served–it's what patriots do; you don't rebel and move to Canada to avoid it.

I know your grief. Yet, at eighty-six, I've learned that you can't live in the past. Holding on to things like hatred kills you more quickly than most diseases.

It didn't cost Biden a damn thing to express condolences, nor was it a message that he condoned terrorist organizations. You would be foolish and narrow-minded to believe that is the case. Your anger has gotten the better of you. Clearly, your mind is clouded with hatred to suggest Biden is in bed with terrorists. That implies he is plotting against a country he had dedicated his life to preserving. Both of these cannot be true. I believe the latter, having watched him rise over the years as an even-minded leader.

If you cannot see that diplomacy can both be about reaching out and 'carrying a big stick' at the same time, then you are not a very good student of history. Wars, as an old saying goes, are inevitable. So is death that comes with the wars. I wish that were not the case. 'Peace through Strength' remains a valid platitude from ancient Roman days through Ronald Regan's Republicanism, and as a nation, we need a leader who projects that concept. At the moment, I don't think you are capable of a rational decision on that subject given your myopic views.

You've fallen prey to over-generalization in stating I support Biden's fuck ups, as you put it. Also in declaring he is the most incompetent foreign policy maker in history. Those vitriolic remarks serve no purpose and only point to your bias against him. Biden struggles to bring balance to a deeply divided Congress. No one is happy about that. So no, I don't support 'all his fuck ups.' There is a lot to change, but I don't lay all the fault on his doorstep either.

I look at the two candidates now and see one as a statesman. The other is an immoral, opportunistic braggart with very unstatesmanlike conduct. Biased? Yes, but it's the images that each individual projects that influence me to think along those lines.

Which standard bearer would you follow into battle? The one whose son served, or the one with a bone-spur deferment that questions what dead soldiers got out of fighting wars? Suckers, he called them, mocked them, disdained them in his remarks frequently. If I had to choose one to stand by my side as we charged the enemy–I'd be worried more about the one pushing me ahead of him first – letting me take the bullet for him.

My answer is obvious. How about yours? Where is your moral courage to choose going to take you in November?

 

[dmallord]

SHOME?

I didn't resort to name calling. I didn't call him or his family names. I pointed to a medical condition.

How bout Joe? He used classified document sources in his book. Biden walked out of a SCIF with classified documents as a senator and held them for 40 years, violation of USC 18 1924. Walks because he's too old and has lost cognitive ability.

Title 18 U.S.C. 1924 makes it a federal crime to knowingly remove classified documents or materials from their designated locations without authorization or retain them in an unauthorized area. Simply put, this federal statute deals with the unauthorized removal of classified documents.

...Just pointed to a 'medical condition' didn't call him names or his family names.

No points for this lame-ass deflection. Just P-i-t-i-f-u-l.

 

[ishtat]

Which standard bearer would you follow into battle? The one whose son served, or the one with a bone-spur deferment that questions what dead soldiers got out of fighting wars? Suckers, he called them, mocked them, disdained them in his remarks frequently. If I had to choose one to stand by my side as we charged the enemy–I'd be worried more about the one pushing me ahead of him first – letting me take the bullet for him.

My answer is obvious. How about yours? Where is your moral courage to choose going to take you in November?

I thought that this was worth repeating.

 

[icanhelp1]

It seems that a man with such a bad reputation should be taken into custody and tried for those things so that the public can see that justice is fair and impartial. Most everybody else who is accused of crimes goes through that process. His lawyers did time for the fewer crimes they got caught up in. Other lawyers are awaiting their trials. Seems fair to me. BTW, just one crime is sufficient for a trial; no need to go overboard because he has piles of them on his desk to deal with.

As for naming one Democrat...well, none come to mind that have the stains of crime written on them, such as those against Trump. Like stink on shit, he has managed to draw some flies.

How is it that he rants today about Biden putting out an assassination order for him and his family...and he survives? Or was that just hyperbolic freedom of speech expression to rile up his base? Nothing else in the news to draw attention so he comes up with than line of unbelievable crap. Clearly you are bright enough to understand he told, what number, the four millionth lie?

Are you blind? Or are you embarrassed so that you can't shift positions to accept the truth about Trump?

I’m posting this podcast of Megan Kelley with two highly respected attorneys* Andrew McCarthy and Phil Houston*, who will clarify the legal aspects of why this case is severely flawed. Listen to the facts and be objective. Take Trump out of the equation and in your mind replace Trump the defendant with a regular unknown citizen.

My postings have always been about fair and equitable application of the law…not defending Trump. If the legal system is not impartial, fair and equitable, then our system of justice is not a justice system but just a system.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

That's not how the laws reads. If you rob a bank and agree to give back the money you're going to jail if convicted. Dems don't get convicted, Both Hillary and Biden mishandled classified documents and walked on the supposition of an FBI director or special prosecutor making a decision not to prosecute because no prosecutor would prosecute. Prosecutorial discretion always seems to favor democrats.

lol

"I believe a reasonable person looking at these facts could conclude that all three elements of the crime of obstruction of justice have been met, and I'd like to ask you the reason, again, you did not indict Donald Trump is because of the OLC (the DOJ's Office of Legal Counsel) opinion stating that you cannot indict a sitting president, correct?" Lieu asked.

"That is correct," Mueller asked.

Don't even bring up Menendez, he pissed Joe Biden off and is now paying the price. IMHO

 

[jomar]

Standard operating procedures. You really need medical attention there Pinocchio!

There is absolutely nothing routine about raiding an ex-president's resident, it's never happened before. Garland authorizing the raid is one of the most irresponsible actions that a fucking AG could do. Garland like you is mentally unstable, suffer from extreme TDS to the point that you both should be medically evaluated for psychosis. Sending armed FBI agents against armed SS agents protecting the an x-president where the potential of loss of life due to a gun battle between law enforcement officials.

It's standard operating procedures when dealing with the potential for violence like drug dealers or violent criminals. You've lost all your marbles. Your hatred for Trump put's you in the mentally disturbed category along with smokingfap, Adrina, BnF2. I'm glad you're not in the military today, you're seriously detached from reality and should never again be in possession of a firearm.

What would you have done if you were in Garland’s position when an ex president actively refuses repeated and escalated requests to return classified documents he has no right to have in his possession and has been objectively known to share classified information with people who have no right whatsoever to see/hear said classified information?

 

[dkovic77]

They did


Force possibility will always be needed for a warrant. Ex Presidents don't get special treatment.


He cooperated rather than knowingly move shit around and lie about it.

It’s so fun when you clearly see when numbnutz @Rightguide realizes his goose is cooked, he goes and tucks tail and creates another thread.

Pity he doesn’t have enough brain cells to realize how he’s being played like a cheap fiddle.

 

[jomar]

That's not how the laws reads. If you rob a bank and agree to give back the money you're going to jail if convicted. Dems don't get convicted, Both Hillary and Biden mishandled classified documents and walked on the supposition of an FBI director or special prosecutor making a decision not to prosecute because no prosecutor would prosecute. Prosecutorial discretion always seems to favor democrats.

Don't even bring up Menendez, he pissed Joe Biden off and is now paying the price. IMHO

Do you think trump would have Smith on his back if he’d said “oops, here ya go” and handed them over as Biden did?

Did they deconflict with Trump's SS security team? You don't know do you? The warrant gives the FBI authority to engage his security detail. When has this ever happened before? Never. Democrats do not want Trump to run and they will stop at "nothing" to stop him. That's why they thought all of this phony shit up.

They let Joe schedule his own search.

Yes, MAGAts jumped right on “engage” and purposely misinterpreted it to mean exchange gunfire. It was a poor choice of words, for sure, but all it meant was interact and coordinate and problem solve to get the job done. But sure, hair on

And what phony shit?

 

[HisArpy]

Well that's what happens to criminals.

Surprisingly, they haven't (yet) found him to be one.

 

[KeithD]

What would you have done if you were in Garland’s position when an ex president actively refuses repeated and escalated requests to return classified documents he has no right to have in his possession and has been objectively known to share classified information with people who have no right whatsoever to see/hear said classified information?

What Trump's striving for in this scenario is for the sitting president to be able to have that national security risk shot. Trump and his minions seem to be banking on there always being a Republican/white nationalist president, which seems to be quite risky to assume.

 

[KeithD]

Do you think trump would have Smith on his back if he’d said “oops, here ya go” and handed them over as Biden did?

I would hope to think that Smith would still be on Trump's back for the amount of time he had the documents, the accessibility of Xerox machines, and Trump's history as a security risk and insurrectionist.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Did they deconflict with Trump's SS security team? You don't know do you? The warrant gives the FBI authority to engage his security detail. When has this ever happened before? Never. Democrats do not want Trump to run and they will stop at "nothing" to stop him. That's why they thought all of this phony shit up.

They let Joe schedule his own search.

Did they say he was born in Kenya?

 

[SmokingFap]

I empathize with your grief. I have my own as well.

I've carried a great deal of hatred over the years over the loss of fellow combatants. I have my own disabilities from my time at war–fingers missing. Coming home and finding myself hated and despised was a low point. It got worse when all the shit and lies about Vietnam came out later. A place we should never have been. My views at the time were that I was called to duty, so I went. Then we have that weapons of mass destruction war. Damn, it never seems to stop. Ukraine is fighting for the survival of a nation. Israel is at war over genocidal hatred. Africa...Haiti...

I wasn't sure why we were in Vietnam at the time. I was eighteen. What the hell did I know at that point? Called–I served–it's what patriots do; you don't rebel and move to Canada to avoid it.

I know your grief. Yet, at eighty-six, I've learned that you can't live in the past. Holding on to things like hatred kills you more quickly than most diseases.

It didn't cost Biden a damn thing to express condolences, nor was it a message that he condoned terrorist organizations. You would be foolish and narrow-minded to believe that is the case. Your anger has gotten the better of you. Clearly, your mind is clouded with hatred to suggest Biden is in bed with terrorists. That implies he is plotting against a country he had dedicated his life to preserving. Both of these cannot be true. I believe the latter, having watched him rise over the years as an even-minded leader.

If you cannot see that diplomacy can both be about reaching out and 'carrying a big stick' at the same time, then you are not a very good student of history. Wars, as an old saying goes, are inevitable. So is death that comes with the wars. I wish that were not the case. 'Peace through Strength' remains a valid platitude from ancient Roman days through Ronald Regan's Republicanism, and as a nation, we need a leader who projects that concept. At the moment, I don't think you are capable of a rational decision on that subject given your myopic views.

You've fallen prey to over-generalization in stating I support Biden's fuck ups, as you put it. Also in declaring he is the most incompetent foreign policy maker in history. Those vitriolic remarks serve no purpose and only point to your bias against him. Biden struggles to bring balance to a deeply divided Congress. No one is happy about that. So no, I don't support 'all his fuck ups.' There is a lot to change, but I don't lay all the fault on his doorstep either.

I look at the two candidates now and see one as a statesman. The other is an immoral, opportunistic braggart with very unstatesmanlike conduct. Biased? Yes, but it's the images that each individual projects that influence me to think along those lines.

Which standard bearer would you follow into battle? The one whose son served, or the one with a bone-spur deferment that questions what dead soldiers got out of fighting wars? Suckers, he called them, mocked them, disdained them in his remarks frequently. If I had to choose one to stand by my side as we charged the enemy–I'd be worried more about the one pushing me ahead of him first – letting me take the bullet for him.

My answer is obvious. How about yours? Where is your moral courage to choose going to take you in November?

It doesn't have moral courage. It only has hatred of those who are different from itself.