Stupid Boomer (aka 'Well Regulated Militia') Thread

[TastySuckToy]

A militia is an official group.

I don't think anyone disputes official groups are composed of civilians and people of the relevant country/state.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I don't think anyone disputes official groups are composed of civilians and people of the relevant country/state.

No, what is in dispute is that the fact that your right to bear those arms was dependent on you being part of one of those groups which it was.

 

[jaF0]

The government expected to roll into your town and be able to summon the leader of the toe Lit Warrior Brigrade who would call the Militia to action. This wasn't a random group of people. Well regulated was about being well trained. They were expected to understand how to march, chain of command all that good stuff.

Now known as the National Guard, not Bubba and the Beer Barrel Rednecks.

 

[TastySuckToy]

No, what is in dispute is that the fact that your right to bear those arms was dependent on you being part of one of those groups which it was.

No, the existence of a well regulated militia is dependent upon the existence of armed civilians/people, who then by definition have the right to keep and bear arms. The second amendment in no way says or implies that being part of a militia is the criteria for keeping and bearing arms.

A secure state requires a militia, a militia requires civilians with the right to keep and bear arms, therefore those rights won't be infringed. The only rights being asserted are those for the people, not the state or militia.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

No, what is in dispute is that the fact that your right to bear those arms was dependent on you being part of one of those groups which it was.

He's Canadian, he has zero rights to bear arms, in fact I'll bet he's flagged by the RCMP from even owning firearms....

 

[Bn2f]

He's Canadian, he has zero rights to bare arms, in fact I'll bet he's flagged by the RCMP from even owning firearms....

He used to have dick pics. Still mad at myself for clicking and seeing those. Let’s just say that TST’s posts aren’t the only thing that shoots blanks.

 

[Sean Renaud]

No, the existence of a well regulated militia is dependent upon the existence of armed civilians/people, who then by definition have the right to keep and bear arms. The second amendment in no way says or implies that being part of a militia is the criteria for keeping and bearing arms.

A secure state requires a militia, a militia requires civilians with the right to keep and bear arms, therefore those rights won't be infringed. The only rights being asserted are those for the people, not the state or militia.

IT doesn't imply. It outright states what the justification is. You NEED a militia. A trained one at that.

 

[Sean Renaud]

He's Canadian, he has zero rights to bear arms, in fact I'll bet he's flagged by the RCMP from even owning firearms....

That doesn't make him wrong. The right to bear arms has done more damage to America than pretty much ANYTHING period so yeah. The only things Americans exceed at are gun violence, incarcerations, abortion and teen pregnancy.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

That doesn't make him wrong. The right to bear arms has done more damage to America than pretty much ANYTHING period so yeah. The only things Americans exceed at are gun violence, incarcerations, abortion and teen pregnancy.

I put him on ignore a long time back so I have no idea what his post was. I was simply pointing out, he has no "right to bear arms". He does however have the right to express his opinion, just like I have the right not to view his opinion....

 

[Sean Renaud]

I don't keep track of who has who on ignore. The only people I have on ignore, or had are the old school before your time Busybody clones. Not to be mistaken for Botany Boy who while both are racist, one actually had solid points.

 

[TastySuckToy]

You NEED a militia. A trained one at that.

For a secure state, yes. But the right to bear arms is a right stated explicitly for the people, not the militia or the state.

 

[LeeKee]

And these are the assholes that morons who “back the blue” support. I wish they would all blow each other’s brains out.

That doesn't make him wrong. The right to bear arms has done more damage to America than pretty much ANYTHING period so yeah. The only things Americans exceed at are gun violence, incarcerations, abortion and teen pregnancy.

Anything? No. Lowering of standards across the board has. Also leads to all the things you listed.
Now an observation and option based on actually being there, doing that.
Forcing acceptsnce of shitty behavior has. Not guns. I live in Germany. I am a jäger and allowed to own firearms. Allow as many long guns and ammo as I want. As a jäger, I am allowed 2 handguns. As a sport shooter, sport shooters are allowed even more, and again all the ammo I want. Along with suppressors and night vision and thermal scopes. I will bet you didn't know that. Now, do all these firearms automatically lead to crime? Silencers aren't silent and do not automatically mean a crime is always the result of owning one. In fact it is encouraged here. Bet you didnt know thst either.

And drinking age is only losley followed and 14 is legal to walk in and order a beer. Is it the beer that is the issue here? No.

What is the difference?
Hardly the percent of crimes here compared to other countries. Why?
It isn't the guns or the beer. It's the mindset of people. I can tell right off you are wrong about the issue being guns. Switzerland is armed even more and dobtou see the scale of thuggery going on there? Are the schools poisoned to the point the kids shoot it up? No.

I have brought guns to school in high school because we shot clay targets. Not a single incident, ever. And that was 32 years ago...in America. What had happened is society isn't as good as it was. It has degraded by accepting this and that and tolerate this then that. It happens in increments. And now we have anti gun people spouting vile shit about people should kill themselves and each other all the while trying to take some moral highgroind to say they are anti gun. It's just a soup of wierd shit these days. Petty, vile and absurd. Violence is from the mind, not the inanimate object. Stop blaming something and blame the person. I know the argument about guns in wrong hands, identifying the wrong hands is the bigger step. See, wrong hands, as if we already know they are not balanced. Goes back to we have more bad elements in society. And quit grouping people into bunches groups and categories. That mindset leads to plot of issues that are common in dictators and tyrant.

 

[Sean Renaud]

For a secure state, yes. But the right to bear arms is a right stated explicitly for the people, not the militia or the state.

It is stated as part of the militia. IT is actually for the government read in context and understanding the thime that it was written.

 

[TastySuckToy]

Anything? No. Lowering of standards across the board has. Also leads to all the things you listed.
Now an observation and option based on actually being there, doing that.
Forcing acceptsnce of shitty behavior has. Not guns. I live in Germany. I am a jäger and allowed to own firearms. Allow as many long guns and ammo as I want. As a jäger, I am allowed 2 handguns. As a sport shooter, sport shooters are allowed even more, and again all the ammo I want. Along with suppressors and night vision and thermal scopes. I will bet you didn't know that. Now, do all these firearms automatically lead to crime? Silencers aren't silent and do not automatically mean a crime is always the result of owning one. In fact it is encouraged here. Bet you didnt know thst either.

And drinking age is only losley followed and 14 is legal to walk in and order a beer. Is it the beer that is the issue here? No.

What is the difference?
Hardly the percent of crimes here compared to other countries. Why?
It isn't the guns or the beer. It's the mindset of people. I can tell right off you are wrong about the issue being guns. Switzerland is armed even more and dobtou see the scale of thuggery going on there? Are the schools poisoned to the point the kids shoot it up? No.

I have brought guns to school in high school because we shot clay targets. Not a single incident, ever. And that was 32 years ago...in America. What had happened is society isn't as good as it was. It has degraded by accepting this and that and tolerate this then that. It happens in increments. And now we have anti gun people spouting vile shit about people should kill themselves and each other all the while trying to take some moral highgroind to say they are anti gun. It's just a soup of wierd shit these days. Petty, vile and absurd. Violence is from the mind, not the inanimate object. Stop blaming something and blame the person. I know the argument about guns in wrong hands, identifying the wrong hands is the bigger step. See, wrong hands, as if we already know they are not balanced. Goes back to we have more bad elements in society. And quit grouping people into bunches groups and categories. That mindset leads to plot of issues that are common in dictators and tyrant.

The biggest issue with America is it has a heavily drugged up population, especially the youth. The pharmaceutical industry has enormous lobbying power and freely advertises endless drugs across all media. Guns aren't the problem, youth and adults getting their minds absolutely trashed by the drug industry is.

It is stated as part of the militia. IT is actually for the government read in context and understanding the thime that it was written.

The second amendment does not argue any rights for the state or the militia. Only the people. And with the rights the people have established in it, militias can be formed and secure their state.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I have brought guns to school in high school because we shot clay targets. Not a single incident, ever. And that was 32 years ago...in America. What had happened is society isn't as good as it was. It has degraded by accepting this and that and tolerate this then that. It happens in increments. And now we have anti gun people spouting vile shit about people should kill themselves and each other all the while trying to take some moral highgroind to say they are anti gun. It's just a soup of wierd shit these days. Petty, vile and absurd. Violence is from the mind, not the inanimate object. Stop blaming something and blame the person. I know the argument about guns in wrong hands, identifying the wrong hands is the bigger step. See, wrong hands, as if we already know they are not balanced. Goes back to we have more bad elements in society. And quit grouping people into bunches groups and categories. That mindset leads to plot of issues that are common in dictators and tyrant.

You are certainly making it sound like you need some sort of special permission to own guns, not that you can just walk out and get one because you want one and it certainly doesn't sound like normal folk have a ton of guns. I don't really give a shit about that.

Yes I know silencers don't make guns silent. Not that that is important in the least. Americans aren't running around by and large with silencers. They give zero shits who hears when a gun goes off for a lot of reasons so I'm less than certain why you would bring that absolute nonsense up.

Nobody cares about nightvision either. This isn't fucking Call of Duty where everybody received Navy SEAL training from the age of six and has been training specifically for an all out urban war their entire lives. Holy shit what is in your head?

If you look at the actual crime stats in the US the idea that Switzerland is armed is a fucking joke. They are not, its just a lie that gun nuts like to tell and hope nobody has access to fucking google. Good on you though. But I do actually have google and other search engines so peddle that bullshit to people who do not.

No, its the guns, not the people. Pretending people are unique is silly. Guns are the only thing that we use this insane logic on. I never saw the crazy place where people.

 

[Bray123]

No, the existence of a well regulated militia is dependent upon the existence of armed civilians/people, who then by definition have the right to keep and bear arms. The second amendment in no way says or implies that being part of a militia is the criteria for keeping and bearing arms.

A secure state requires a militia, a militia requires civilians with the right to keep and bear arms, therefore those rights won't be infringed. The only rights being asserted are those for the people, not the state or militia.

Funny how people treat the Constitution like the Bible. They search for bits that supports their bias and ignore the parts that are inconvenient.

If the words 'well regulated' weren't important the writer would have saved their expensive ink.

 

[jaF0]

It also says 'the people', not each person. Until fairly recently the Executive branch considered that to mean a group (aka National Guard type), not individuals.

 

[RobDownSouth]

It also says 'the people', not each person. Until fairly recently the Executive branch considered that to mean a group (aka National Guard type), not individuals.

"An Army Of One" was the late "Justice" Antonin Scalia's first major modification from the bench of the 2nd Amendment. He subsequently jettisoned the "well-regulated" provision, and eventually declared mentally inferior/incompetent folks could amass armories of steel peener substitutes.

 

[stxjimmy]

Funny how people treat the Constitution like the Bible. They search for bits that supports their bias and ignore the parts that are inconvenient.

If the words 'well regulated' weren't important the writer would have saved their expensive ink.

Both equally unread?

 

[HisArpy]

It also says 'the people', not each person. Until fairly recently the Executive branch considered that to mean a group (aka National Guard type), not individuals.

An interpretation which the SCOTUS rejected.

 

[Sean Renaud]

It also says 'the people', not each person. Until fairly recently the Executive branch considered that to mean a group (aka National Guard type), not individuals.

Define the people in a way that excludes Iraq or hell the legendary 18th street.

 

[LeeKee]

You are certainly making it sound like you need some sort of special permission to own guns, not that you can just walk out and get one because you want one and it certainly doesn't sound like normal folk have a ton of guns. I don't really give a shit about that.

Yes I know silencers don't make guns silent. Not that that is important in the least. Americans aren't running around by and large with silencers. They give zero shits who hears when a gun goes off for a lot of reasons so I'm less than certain why you would bring that absolute nonsense up.

Nobody cares about nightvision either. This isn't fucking Call of Duty where everybody received Navy SEAL training from the age of six and has been training specifically for an all out urban war their entire lives. Holy shit what is in your head?

If you look at the actual crime stats in the US the idea that Switzerland is armed is a fucking joke. They are not, its just a lie that gun nuts like to tell and hope nobody has access to fucking google. Good on you though. But I do actually have google and other search engines so peddle that bullshit to people who do not.

No, its the guns, not the people. Pretending people are unique is silly. Guns are the only thing that we use this insane logic on. I never saw the crazy place where people

You took a non personal response and go for the attack on the poster. Maturity and leftist ideologies never coincide. Let me break my post down for you, since again, leftists hyper-emotionalize every damned thing and make it about someone ir somethibg elsenother than perosnal conduct and responsibilty.

Ok, I mentioned silencers because they require a class III destructive device license in America. Do you know what that is in America and what it means to your 4th Amendments rights? Here, it's not a thing.


I do not need special "permission" to own a gun here, just a "valid reason" according to German law. Hunting is a valid reason. It is a college level course and it is a duty to the state. Jägers are knighted. Oh, and of course and background check.

Night vision was brought up because we hunt at night which is also a no no in alot of US States. You didn't know that.
No. I am not a Navy SEAL, I am a Marine. Also, I can tell you never served. Now I will get to respond to your immaturity and rudeness.

The issue is people who can't keep their shit together and flip into bitch mode, like you, as did in your rant, taking this to a personal level at me, as you did, where, i did not. Now I will.

What the fuck is in Your head? Not only are the Swiss well armed, so are a shit load of French, German and Czech people. I can also tell you have never been here. You would be made sport of in circles of the military, combat veterans and of course grown, disciplined, responsible men and women Jägers who know better.
Pointing it out. Not calling names. But you need to have more than your emotional rant. Maybe some experience would help.
Take care. Maybe someday you might see past the toxic views and politics of it.

 

[Sean Renaud]

You took a non personal response and go for the attack on the poster. Maturity and leftist ideologies never coincide. Let me break my post down for you, since again, leftists hyper-emotionalize every damned thing and make it about someone ir somethibg elsenother than perosnal conduct and responsibilty.

Ok, I mentioned silencers because they require a class III destructive device license in America. Do you know what that is in America and what it means to your 4th Amendments rights? Here, it's not a thing.


I do not need special "permission" to own a gun here, just a "valid reason" according to German law. Hunting is a valid reason. It is a college level course and it is a duty to the state. Jägers are knighted. Oh, and of course and background check.

Night vision was brought up because we hunt at night which is also a no no in alot of US States. You didn't know that.
No. I am not a Navy SEAL, I am a Marine. Also, I can tell you never served. Now I will get to respond to your immaturity and rudeness.

The issue is people who can't keep their shit together and flip into bitch mode, like you, as did in your rant, taking this to a personal level at me, as you did, where, i did not. Now I will.

What the fuck is in Your head? Not only are the Swiss well armed, so are a shit load of French, German and Czech people. I can also tell you have never been here. You would be made sport of in circles of the military, combat veterans and of course grown, disciplined, responsible men and women Jägers who know better.
Pointing it out. Not calling names. But you need to have more than your emotional rant. Maybe some experience would help.
Take care. Maybe someday you might see past the toxic views and politics of it.

There is no emotion involved here. Simply facts, Facts that you are clarifying I might add. You need a valid reason. I do not. I need 'I got bored.' So you have already stated the difference. You need paperwork even if its simple in your eyes. A backgound check is not needed here. Please keep making my point. You can get Night Vision on paypal so yeah keep talking about stuff you don't understand.

No I would not not be made sport of in your circles. They would find me insane for how many people I think should have guns. ITs okay. Keep lying. We know you are lying. WE have all ben through this time and time again.

 

[LeeKee]

There is no emotion involved here. Simply facts, Facts that you are clarifying I might add. You need a valid reason. I do not. I need 'I got bored.' So you have already stated the difference. You need paperwork even if its simple in your eyes. A backgound check is not needed here. Please keep making my point. You can get Night Vision on paypal so yeah keep talking about stuff you don't understand.

No I would not not be made sport of in your circles. They would find me insane for how many people I think should have guns. ITs okay. Keep lying. We know you are lying. WE have all ben through this time and time again.

What am I lying about?
I have uttered a single falsehood here. Every word I typed can be easily verified.

I would be glad to back up every single word. What would you need? Photos videos it a plane ticket?

Again you are incorrect on U.S. background checks. Are you familiar with the ATF Form 4473? It must be submitted for ever firearm purchase from a vendor. It receive a favorable background check before the purchase is completed. It also must be completed even at a gunshow, because the licensed vendors will loose their license and be protected if they do not. It is a federal procedure and any attempt to deceive agents reviewing this form is a federal offense. A felony.

Guns are not the problem, it is the person using it.

It's like saying dicks cause rape.

 

[LeeKee]

There is no emotion involved here. Simply facts, Facts that you are clarifying I might add. You need a valid reason. I do not. I need 'I got bored.' So you have already stated the difference. You need paperwork even if its simple in your eyes. A backgound check is not needed here. Please keep making my point. You can get Night Vision on paypal so yeah keep talking about stuff you don't understand.

No I would not not be made sport of in your circles. They would find me insane for how many people I think should have guns. ITs okay. Keep lying. We know you are lying. WE have all ben through this time and time again.

And from clarity, the thermal night vision devises attach to the rifle telescopic sight to be able to shoot in any lighting conbition. I know those are available in the U.S. as well. Just was curious to how you emotionally cope with that capability?

One thing I think we may agree on is gun ownership is not for everyone. It requires a well adjusted, balanced grown up.