Monday, April 15th: First Ever Criminal Trial for a Former US President

[RoryN]

What's sad is expecting other people to prove your stupid points.

Especially after you screw up.

The only thing you "studied" is right wing propaganda. Like usual.

Well said.

 

[jomar]

Thanks for the link, but in no way does your The Hill article address your claim that Marchen “admitted his fuckup of allowing stormy to ramble on with irrelevant salacious testimony.” Got anything on that?

Just follow some reliable news platform. I watch expert commentary as it happens. I’m not chasing every comment to post on Lit. Kind of sick of the argumentative saps like FUZZYNUTS and 77 who do nothing more than sling ad-hom. I studied this case even before trial and found it not to be a credible case. Pure political theatrics and abuse of the judiciary. Just an extension of Letitia Jame’s fraud case. N Yorkers should be embarrassed of their judicial system. Hatred for Trump doesn’t qualify for criminal prosecution. Sad!

So you got nothing about Marchen admitting to any kind of fuckup like you claimed he did. Got it. False claim it is then.

 

[stxjimmy]

Just follow some reliable news platform. I watch expert commentary as it happens. I’m not chasing every comment to post on Lit. Kind of sick of the argumentative saps like FUZZYNUTS and 77 who do nothing more than sling ad-hom. I studied this case even before trial and found it not to be a credible case. Pure political theatrics and abuse of the judiciary. Just an extension of Letitia Jame’s fraud case. N Yorkers should be embarrassed of their judicial system. Hatred for Trump doesn’t qualify for criminal prosecution. Sad!

How scholarly of you. And your qualification to pontificate about the veracity of the case is?

You sound as pompous as derpy.

 

[icanhelp1]

So you got nothing about Marchen admitting to any kind of fuckup like you claimed he did. Got it. False claim it is then.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/07/nyregion/stormy-daniels-trump-hush-money.html

May 7, 2024 — The judge, Justice Juan M. Merchan of State Supreme Court, agreed that some of Ms. Daniels's testimony might have “been better left unsaid,” but ...

 

[Pad_Foot]

Marchen supposedly checked a year ago whether he should recuse himself before the case got rolling, but Trump still uses that issue and cost NY money to object.
(I’ll find link)

Make him pay for all the time and money he has wasted!!

 

[Bn2f]

I see some MAGA tendencies here that I honestly respect. Like Climate Change and the Covid pandemic it’s deny, deny, deny that what is happening right in front of us isn’t actually happening until the crap hits the fan. Only thing different here is that a trump guilty verdict won’t cause a possible Darwin Award death to those with their heads up their ass. Shame.

 

[Bray123]

Trump has let it be known that he's not going to give evidence after all, despite spending months running his mouth about it. What a surprise! What a coward!

 

[jomar]

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/07/nyregion/stormy-daniels-trump-hush-money.html

May 7, 2024 — The judge, Justice Juan M. Merchan of State Supreme Court, agreed that some of Ms. Daniels's testimony might have “been better left unsaid,” but ...

Thanks for the link, unfortunately NYT is paywalled. But your quote from the article is a far cry from Merchan “admitting a fuckup” on his part. Not even close by a longshot.

 

[KeithD]

Trump has let it be known that he's not going to give evidence after all, despite spending months running his mouth about it. What a surprise! What a coward!

Oh, my goodness, what a surprise. You'd almost think that the next "I'll be there with bells on" back out will be the presidential debates.

 

[butters]

trump's lawyers know it's easy to lie and gaslight a tv audience but those same actions have consequences if performed under oath in a court of law

 

[icanhelp1]

Thanks for the link, unfortunately NYT is paywalled. But your quote from the article is a far cry from Merchan “admitting a fuckup” on his part. Not even close by a longshot.

A judge isn’t going to spring to attention and scream “I fucked up”, read between the lines. That admission was huge.

 

[jomar]

A judge isn’t going to spring to attention and scream “I fucked up”, read between the lines. That admission was huge.

lol, he could just as easily, probably even more likely, be chiding the prosecution for not heeding his comment to not let it get too detailed. A huge admission? Hardly, the phrase mountain out of a molehill applies here.

 

[icanhelp1]

lol, he could just as easily, probably even more likely, be chiding the prosecution for not heeding his comment to not let it get too detailed. A huge admission? Hardly, the phrase mountain out of a molehill applies here.

It was salacious and irrelevant testimony that cannot be unheard. It could steer the jury in the wrong direction. The case is already convoluted and confusing. Can’t believe the jury won’t be back till next Wednesday.

He consistently sustained objections from the prosecution while overruling objections from the defense.

 

[butters]

lol, he could just as easily, probably even more likely, be chiding the prosecution for not heeding his comment to not let it get too detailed. A huge admission? Hardly, the phrase mountain out of a molehill applies here.

yep. it's not the judge's job to do the defense's (or the prosecution's) jobs for them

 

[dmallord]

A judge isn’t going to spring to attention and scream “I fucked up”, read between the lines. That admission was huge.

No. It wasn't. If it had been he would not have said a word about it.

 

[icanhelp1]

No. It wasn't. If it had been he would not have said a word about it.

He’s obligated to inform the jury.

I wonder why Cohen wasn’t remanded to NYPD or US marshals after admitting to stealing $60,000 dollars from Trump?

 

[dmallord]

It was salacious and irrelevant testimony that cannot be unheard. It could steer the jury in the wrong direction. The case is already convoluted and confusing. Can’t believe the jury won’t be back till next Wednesday.

He consistently sustained objections from the prosecution while overruling objections from the defense.

Salacious was Trump denying he fucked Stormy and then offered to pay her for it. Fucked E. Jean Carroll - denied it. Fucked McDougal - denied it. Followed by saying it never happened, handed the matter off to Cohen to shut Stormy up, and then stiffed Cohen on his 'Christmas Bonus', told him he had his back, [never did - and no pardon]. So look what Trump's lying fuckups got him into. Trump steered the whole thing in the wrong direction from the beginning - bad moral conduct to begin with. One person he isn't screwing - an educated guess - would be Melania since they have separate bedrooms. Her room probably has two deadbolts.

In all, Trump has over eighteen acquisitions of sexual impropriety or worse. https://19thnews.org/2023/10/donald-trump-associates-sexual-misconduct-allegations/

The last witness, supposedly for the defense, ended up as a better witness for the prosecution in the eyes of many legal experts commenting on the way he conducted himself and how the jury will read what happened into it before they were sent out so the judge could ream him a new asshole for his conduct. Damn, lawyers!

No one is keeping track of sustaining objections or overruling them for either party, dude. It shows how piss poor the defense side had it in attempting to defend a pathological liar and sexual predator. And you want him in the White House again? - Fuck that!

Your objections, Icanhelp1 are overruled.

 

[Bray123]

And the Defense rests, after a single witness. But it doesn't really matter because Schitzinpants will claim he won the case, it was all a witch-hunt, the judge is corrupt, the judge's daughter is corrupt, the court bailiff is corrupt, the car park attendant is corrupt...

And the readers of NotTooBreitbart and TheGatewayBankrupt will lap it up and buy moar gunz.

 

[ll74]

And the Defense rests, after a single witness. But it doesn't really matter because Schitzinpants will claim he won the case, it was all a witch-hunt, the judge is corrupt, the judge's daughter is corrupt, the court bailiff is corrupt, the car park attendant is corrupt...

And the readers of NotTooBreitbart and TheGatewayBankrupt will lap it up and buy moar gunz.

I think he'll either be acquitted or a hung jury.
I think the defense's actions reflect that. It will depend on the judges instructions to some degree, but I think Cohen muddied the waters too much to overcome.

Sidenote - I am not caring either way on the outcome. Just an observation.

 

[dmallord]

He’s obligated to inform the jury.

I wonder why Cohen wasn’t remanded to NYPD or US marshals after admitting to stealing $60,000 dollars from Trump?

Well, I suppose that would be possible, but then Donald would have to complain Cohen stole it in the first place and admit that he paid the money to Cohen for illegal purposes - that would implicate DT even more than now, I suppose.

Hey, you fo like those victimless crimes. It's one of those you and harpy whine about. No harm in stealing Trump's money. He gave it willingly as payment for an alleged nefarious purpose. The guy Cohen stiffed by giving him only 20K isn't complaining. He got his 'brown paper bag' with the cash and probably isn't claiming it as income from the sounds of it, so he isn't likely to whine about it, either. Besides Cohen believes that it's just part of funds due from Trump for getting ripped off on other payments Trump owed but didn't pay. Just white-collar crime, so no harm, no foul. Trump got his money's worth of service just like the German bank got paid back by Trump in the loan payment process Trump says was just business and everybody made money on it. So no bid fuckin' deal.

 

[icanhelp1]

Salacious was Trump denying he fucked Stormy and then offered to pay her for it. Fucked E. Jean Carroll - denied it. Fucked McDougal - denied it. Followed by saying it never happened, handed the matter off to Cohen to shut Stormy up, and then stiffed Cohen on his 'Christmas Bonus', told him he had his back, [never did - and no pardon]. So look what Trump's lying fuckups got him into. Trump steered the whole thing in the wrong direction from the beginning - bad moral conduct to begin with. One person he isn't screwing - an educated guess - would be Melania since they have separate bedrooms. Her room probably has two deadbolts.

In all, Trump has over eighteen acquisitions of sexual impropriety or worse. https://19thnews.org/2023/10/donald-trump-associates-sexual-misconduct-allegations/

The last witness, supposedly for the defense, ended up as a better witness for the prosecution in the eyes of many legal experts commenting on the way he conducted himself and how the jury will read what happened into it before they were sent out so the judge could ream him a new asshole for his conduct. Damn, lawyers!

No one is keeping track of sustaining objections or overruling them for either party, dude. It shows how piss poor the defense side had it in attempting to defend a pathological liar and sexual predator. And you want him in the White House again? - Fuck that!

Your objections, Icanhelp1 are overruled.

Whether he fucked Stormy Daniel is irrelevant to the case. E Jean Carroll is immaterial. Hatred for Trump is not a qualifier for prosecution.

Who’s your legal expert? Lawrence O’Donnell

 

[dmallord]

I think he'll either be acquitted or a hung jury.
I think the defense's actions reflect that. It will depend on the judges instructions to some degree, but I think Cohen muddied the waters too much to overcome.

Sidenote - I am not caring either way on the outcome. Just an observation.

It does seem to be muddied, as you point out. Based upon feedback from a number of lawyers and judges commenting on the case, I'm leaning toward conviction. I watch CNN and read other sources as well. CNN's commentaries seem to favor the prosecution. Several retired Federal judges have appeared and also favor the prosecution. Even some of Trump's former attorneys appear on the program and indicate that there is strong evidence, but the 'leap of faith' to this rising to the actual crime level will have to be built in that jury pool.

The pool has two lawyers on it. I wonder how that will influence the decisions. No one knows what kind of lawyers they are. Hopefully, not @HisArpy's level of mindset. That definitely would be a hung jury.

The outcome will be very important in the election as there remains that slim margin between Biden and Trump. One poll showed that about 25% of Republicans said that if he were convicted, they wouldn't vote for him. That would be a very comfortable margin for Biden. It would also help dampen Trump's supporters to claim election rigging again. [Maybe] Then there are still those individuals voting for Nikki Haley in primaries, still - that isn't a good sign for Trump.

 

[icanhelp1]

Well, I suppose that would be possible, but then Donald would have to complain Cohen stole it in the first place and admit that he paid the money to Cohen for illegal purposes - that would implicate DT even more than now, I suppose.

Hey, you fo like those victimless crimes. It's one of those you and harpy whine about. No harm in stealing Trump's money. He gave it willingly as payment for an alleged nefarious purpose. The guy Cohen stiffed by giving him only 20K isn't complaining. He got his 'brown paper bag' with the cash and probably isn't claiming it as income from the sounds of it, so he isn't likely to whine about it, either. Besides Cohen believes that it's just part of funds due from Trump for getting ripped off on other payments Trump owed but didn't pay. Just white-collar crime, so no harm, no foul. Trump got his money's worth of service just like the German bank got paid back by Trump in the loan payment process Trump says was just business and everybody made money on it. So no bid fuckin' deal.

Don’t need a complaint when you have admission of guilt.

Your legal prowess doesn’t even equate to a shithouse lawyer.

 

[icanhelp1]

It does seem to be muddied, as you point out. Based upon feedback from a number of lawyers and judges commenting on the case, I'm leaning toward conviction. I watch CNN and read other sources as well. CNN's commentaries seem to favor the prosecution. Several retired Federal judges have appeared and also favor the prosecution. Even some of Trump's former attorneys appear on the program and indicate that there is strong evidence, but the 'leap of faith' to this rising to the actual crime level will have to be built in that jury pool.

The pool has two lawyers on it. I wonder how that will influence the decisions. No one knows what kind of lawyers they are. Hopefully, not @HisArpy's level of mindset. That definitely would be a hung jury.

The outcome will be very important in the election as there remains that slim margin between Biden and Trump. One poll showed that about 25% of Republicans said that if he were convicted, they wouldn't vote for him. That would be a very comfortable margin for Biden. It would also help dampen Trump's supporters to claim election rigging again. [Maybe] Then there are still those individuals voting for Nikki Haley in primaries, still - that isn't a good sign for Trump.

Strong evidence of what? A legal NDA. The prosecution still hasn’t identified what the federal crime is. Wishing and a hoping isn’t a legal strategy.

 

[ll74]

Strong evidence of what? A legal NDA. The prosecution still hasn’t identified what the federal crime is. Wishing and a hoping isn’t a legal strategy.

It was 45 knowingly lying on an fec filing. (Or lack of one)