The future is dense, walkable cities.

[MajorRewrite]

No, because denser development means more people which means more land used for agriculture.

If what you say were true, we would have decreasing extinctions instead of increasing ones.

You’re not making sense. The ever expanding suburbs are what destroy habitat and cause extinction.

 

[desecration]

You’re not making sense.

Urbanization just made it over 60% a few years back. During that time, our environmental crisis has worsened. Most of the land used by humanity is not for housing and the more people we cram into cities, the more we can cram, which is why population rose so dramatically in the past century.

 

[MajorRewrite]

Urbanization just made it over 60% a few years back. During that time, our environmental crisis has worsened. Most of the land used by humanity is not for housing and the more people we cram into cities, the more we can cram, which is why population rose so dramatically in the past century.

What? Urbanization does not cause population to grow. Quite the opposite. Urbanization leads to economic opportunity and better education, both of which lead to falling birth rates.

That’s why birth rates around the world are falling.

Suburban sprawl destroys wildlife habit. It’s a fact and you’ll just have to accept it.

 

[desecration]

Urbanization does not cause population to grow.

Then why is our population so huge now after a century of increasing urbanization?

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Then why is our population so huge now after a century of increasing urbanization?

You’re confusing cause and effect. When the population grows, more people live in cities. More people living in cities doesn’t cause the population to grow.

 

[desecration]

When the population grows, more people live in cities. More people living in cities doesn’t cause the population to grow.

Both can be true. If you find a way to avoid running out of space, you can add more people, which creates an opportunity that the population fills.

If your assertion were true, world population would have dropped.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Both can be true. If you find a way to avoid running out of space, you can add more people, which creates an opportunity that the population fills.

If your assertion were true, world population would have dropped.

People moving to cities is better for the environment, but has no effect on total population. That’s why the population hasn’t dropped with increased urbanization.

 

[desecration]

The more people you add, the more land you need, and this kills off grasslands:

Dutch landscape is losing insect-pollinated plants, 87 years of data show

 

[MajorRewrite]

Both can be true. If you find a way to avoid running out of space, you can add more people, which creates an opportunity that the population fills.

If your assertion were true, world population would have dropped.

The birth rate is now below the replacement rate in the majority of nations. It takes a while for the impact to cause total population to fall. Demographic change is slow.

What does that have to do with your original comment anyway? I think you realized you were wrong and now you’re changing the subject.

Suburban sprawl destroys wildlife habit.

 

[MajorRewrite]

Nice.

New neighborhood connects city to university

 

[JoePepsiCo]

The birth rate is now below the replacement rate in the majority of nations. It takes a while for the impact to cause total population to fall. Demographic change is slow.

What does that have to do with your original comment anyway? I think you realized you were wrong and now you’re changing the subject.

Suburban sprawl destroys wildlife habit.

Tell that to the deer and coyotes in my back yard...

 

[TrailerHitch]

Suburbs that let the residents use all of their land, front and back yards, for edible gardening and small livestock, mostly chickens and rabbits, may last a little bit longer than the tightly regulated burbs with only manicured lawns.

Those highly regulated suburbs are often ruled by the iron fist of an HOA. Frankly anyone stupid enough to live in an HOA gets what they deserve. Nothing more than a bunch of nosey neighbor nazis telling them what color to paint their house, how many cars they can have and where to park them, what plants they can have in their yard, whether or not they can fly a flag, and so on.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

The future is restoring historic suburban houses. Terrific TV series about people who turn dilapidated old houses into beautiful homes. Neighborhoods in decaying burbs surrounding places like Detroit, New Jersey, New York and other cities are becoming gentrified by creative designers and builders. They basically restore the American Dream.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt15565986/plotsummary/

 

[Chobham]

The future is restoring historic suburban houses. Terrific TV series about people who turn dilapidated old houses into beautiful homes. Neighborhoods in decaying burbs surrounding places like Detroit, New Jersey, New York and other cities are becoming gentrified by creative designers and builders. They basically restore the American Dream.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt15565986/plotsummary/

Which is now called "gentrification." An attempt to expel the lower income folks from the cities. In their minds "rack and ruin" is preferable to building up better.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Which is now called "gentrification." An attempt to expel the lower income folks from the cities. In their minds "rack and ruin" is preferable to building up better.

It’s true that restoration of decaying and often empty houses in historic neighborhoods that have become blighted can raise property values.

 

[Rightguide]

What? Urbanization does not cause population to grow.

Explain the need for expanding urbanization without an increasing population.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Explain the need for expanding urbanization without an increasing population.

People tend to move out of city's when young, and move back when old. If they lived in their parents home,when they moved and the parents still live there when they move back, I suspect the children would need a new home. Most parents don't want there adult children living with them. Your parents being an exception of course.

 

[John_von_Neumann]

I thought it was relatively common knowledge that urbanization is correlated with falling fertility rates, but apparently not.

Urbanization is treated in the literature as a process that occurs along with economic development. We consider an overlapping generations model with two regions, designated as ‘urban’ and ‘rural’. Concentration of population to urban areas involves population inflows from rural areas, thereby exacerbating urban congestion. Inverse agglomeration economies in rural areas exert negative effects on rural income, consequently increasing the attractiveness of urban areas. Because of lower urban fertility rates, urbanization involves population decreases. Therefore, population dynamics might be explained as simultaneous urbanization and population contraction. However, depopulation mitigates congestion, which increases the fertility rate and the worker’s lifetime utility level. Eventually, it can lead to a stationary population size.

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12076-022-00311-x

 

[MajorRewrite]

Explain the need for expanding urbanization without an increasing population.

People move to cities for the wide variety of economic opportunities (jobs and entrepreneurship), for more entertainment options, and for more options to find a mate.

It’s not a “need”, it’s a preference.

And cities that prioritize pedestrians and bicyclists over motor vehicles have a quality of life difference that lots of people enjoy.

People who prefer the suburbs or rural areas can stay there. No problem. Nobody is making anyone do anything.

 

[TrailerHitch]

I sometimes hear rants about being herded into 250 square foot apartments. Umm, probably less, and mostly by choice. Where people don't have the cheap energy for manufacturing and suburbia, homes are much smaller. 250 square feet could hold a family of four. A 10x10 cabin is a reasonable size for rural low energy living for one person building his own home.

Dude if you want to live in a closet with no personal space, other than the bathroom then have at it. That would be worse than Hell to me.

 

[Philthy_Phil]

Dude if you want to live in a closet with no personal space, other than the bathroom then have at it. That would be worse than Hell to me.

Ah, you got the double wide.

 

[MajorRewrite]

I sometimes hear rants about being herded into 250 square foot apartments.

Don’t listen to the voices in your head.

 

[JoePepsiCo]

Which is now called "gentrification." An attempt to expel the lower income folks from the cities. In their minds "rack and ruin" is preferable to building up better.

*chuckle*

Our cities need to be reordered to be more like our European cousins long past where the poor had to go live outside of the castle walls...

... they can come in from time to time for labor or to spend the money of that labor at our fairs.

Bread and circuses, they things empires are built upon.

Empires are forever.

 

[MajorRewrite]

*chuckle*

Our cities need to be reordered to be more like our European cousins long past where the poor had to go live outside of the castle walls...

... they can come in from time to time for labor or to spend the money of that labor at our fairs.

Bread and circuses, they things empires are built upon.

Empires are forever.

Forgot your tinfoil cap this morning?

 

[JoePepsiCo]

Have you always had the manners of a goat?