Monday, April 15th: First Ever Criminal Trial for a Former US President

[Pad_Foot]

So? We have the right to obstruct the government?

Great.. I’ll plan on being at the House when they try to put Trump in power.

Hell let’s storm the courts !!

This just points out that we need 13 justices since our courts are now just political bodies

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

It's more like the left abuses our laws.

Isn’t Trump the guy who put someone in jail for this?

 

[schism666]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1779778950027223106

 

[schism666]

One of the three show trials by white-hating black Communists designed to interfere with the election.

are black commies different than white commies, vetteman?

 

[desecration]

are black commies different than white commies, vetteman?

Racists put Black commies in the back of the helicopter?

 

[dkovic77]

Why isn’t Joe Biden being impeached for possessing classified documents, why can he walk. Why isn’t Hillary in jail for the similar reasons to include obstruction of justice. When democrats are prosecuted and convicted for like crimes then I’ll concede you have a point. Why aren’t McCabe, Strzok, Page, Sussmann and a whole host of others not doing time. Hunter Biden nearly got off Scott free on a plea deal for criminal behavior to include tax evasion in the millions of dollars. Kind of makes pressing felony charges against Trump for book keeping impropriety trivial , his own family owned company, his own books. I watched for 4 years of the administrative state attempt to destroy Trump’s administration.

The problem is you, you have your head too far up your ass to see the very measurable decline and politicization of our justice system. We’re spiraling into 3rd world country territory and we as a country need to smarten up. You people preach Trump has to be made to account for his deeds, when you left lunes take responsibility for your own sins then we can move forward. Navarro is in jail for contempt of congress, why? because he’s a Trump supporter, and yet Hunter Biden makes a mockery of Congress and gets away with it because daddy is president.

Democrats were once the lunch pail crowd not they’re the party of the elites. I was once upon a time a democrat now I don’t recognize the democrat party.

Some issues with word choice I see.. get that way when you are angry? Can’t bother proofreading??

Let’s discuss the documents… Joe move them from a ballroom to a bathroom?

Poor Peter and his contempt charge is serious. I have heard Gymmie say that is important. Subpoenas are important things (as he said in the Hunter case) although Gymmie couldn’t bother to show up for his subpoena.

So please spare us your melodrama.

Can’t answer the times in court question for your guy can you? Seems like a quick search brings the number to the ballpark of 4,000. And that is just BEFORE being President. So please, calm down a little.

 

[LLCox]

 

[icanhelp1]

Some issues with word choice I see.. get that way when you are angry? Can’t bother proofreading??

Let’s discuss the documents… Joe move them from a ballroom to a bathroom?

Poor Peter and his contempt charge is serious. I have heard Gymmie say that is important. Subpoenas are important things (as he said in the Hunter case) although Gymmie couldn’t bother to show up for his subpoena.

So please spare us your melodrama.

Can’t answer the times in court question for your guy can you? Seems like a quick search brings the number to the ballpark of 4,000. And that is just BEFORE being President. So please, calm down a little.

More ignorant deflection.

 

[dmallord]

Why isn’t Joe Biden being impeached for possessing classified documents, why can he walk. Why isn’t Hillary in jail for the similar reasons to include obstruction of justice. When democrats are prosecuted and convicted for like crimes then I’ll concede you have a point. Why aren’t McCabe, Strzok, Page, Sussmann and a whole host of others not doing time. Hunter Biden nearly got off Scott free on a plea deal for criminal behavior to include tax evasion in the millions of dollars. Kind of makes pressing felony charges against Trump for book keeping impropriety trivial , his own family owned company, his own books. I watched for 4 years of the administrative state attempt to destroy Trump’s administration.

The problem is you, you have your head too far up your ass to see the very measurable decline and politicization of our justice system. We’re spiraling into 3rd world country territory and we as a country need to smarten up. You people preach Trump has to be made to account for his deeds, when you left lunes take responsibility for your own sins then we can move forward. Navarro is in jail for contempt of congress, why? because he’s a Trump supporter, and yet Hunter Biden makes a mockery of Congress and gets away with it because daddy is president.

Democrats were once the lunch pail crowd not they’re the party of the elites. I was once upon a time a democrat now I don’t recognize the democrat party.

Q. Why isn’t Joe Biden being impeached for possessing classified documents? Why can he walk?

Ans: Biden can ‘walk’ because a Republican-appointed special counsel, Robert Herr, investigated Biden’s handling of those classified documents. He found insufficient reason to conclude Biden should be charged with violating the Secrets Acts. Herr did not bring an indictment. The subject was thoroughly covered in the media and in Congress. The Republican-led Congress has no grounds to base an impeachment after more than a year of digging for evidence. Accept reality and stop grinding your teeth over the legal outcome.

Q. Why isn’t Hillary in jail for similar reasons, including obstruction of justice? When Democrats are prosecuted and convicted for like crimes, then I’ll concede you have a point.

Ans: Donald Trump won the election. She lost. Trump was satisfied with that one can conjecture. He oversaw the Department of Justice, and despite saying he was going to pursue the investigation of the personal server violation, he did not direct any action to be taken on the matter. He promised Americans he would do so – then did not follow through. Failure of Trump’s follow-through did not lead to prosecution; therefore, she was not convicted as you would have liked to see it happen. You’ll have to concede that point out of fairness, as Trump’s failure to follow up was the result of the lack of that happening.

Q. Did Hunter Biden nearly get off scot-free on a plea deal for criminal behavior including tax evasion in the millions of dollars? It kind of makes pressing felony charges against Trump for bookkeeping impropriety trivial, his own family-owned company, his own books. I watched for 4 years of the administrative state attempt to destroy Trump’s administration.

Ans: Your logic is a red-herring obfuscation and blatantly slanted. Hunter Biden’s plea deal was tanked by a judge who questioned the deal, and it fell apart because she questioned the agreement. The legal system is working, and as you noted, Hunter didn’t ‘nearly’ get off scot-free. The case is ongoing.

The most recent activity was two weeks ago when the judge rejected all his motions to dismiss his charges:

. Justice is at work, as in Trump’s case, using Trump’s own books, accountants testifying, and other corroborating witnesses. Trump’s situation is more newsworthy as he is a high-profile political personality. Hunter Biden is merely a private citizen whose father is the President. Same situation if Barron Trump were being tried, presumably.

Q. We are the problem? Do we have our heads too far up our ass to see the very measurable decline and politicization of our justice system? We preach Trump must be made to account for his deeds? We leftist loons must take responsibility for our own sins so we can move forward.

Ans: I’m going out on a limb here. WE, all of us, are caught up in the politicization of our justice system, not just the Left. Donald Trump is primarily responsible for the root cause of that. His rant about being robbed of an election has churned this nation into a sour state of affairs. His lies about his responsibilities for J6 and his narcissistic and immoral personality fuel the current legal battles. Wake up. A man charged with four major indictments with eighty-eight counts says he can kill someone out on Fifth Avenue and get away with it and blames everyone else for his failures - isn’t a good person. Nor is he a good candidate for you to get behind. If you do so, it is out of your sheer disingenuous mindset.

You said Democrats were once the lunch pail crowd, adding you were once upon a time a Democrat, but now you don’t recognize the Democrat Party. It has adjusted to the times and views of the strongly leaning moderates. The Republican Party has swung to the extremes – Trump is not a Republican of yore nor a Republican of today. He is a wannabe demi-god like those he admires in those third-world countries you mention. By the way, there is room for you to return to your roots in the party. Joe Biden welcomes Republicans to join him; he invited the supporters of Nikki Haley, so I’m sure you could come back. Trump, on the other hand, in a recent stump speech, told them that they were not welcome in his party. That’s the difference between the candidates – one is supportive – and the other wants to be a dictator for a day.

Your choice.

 

[dmallord]

Is Clarence the cross-eyed judge voting for it even though he hasn't bothered to show up for arguments?

Not to worry. His wife will catch him up at the dinner table on how he should vote.

 

[icanhelp1]

Q. Why isn’t Joe Biden being impeached for possessing classified documents? Why can he walk?

Ans: Biden can ‘walk’ because a Republican-appointed special counsel, Robert Herr, investigated Biden’s handling of those classified documents. He found insufficient reason to conclude Biden should be charged with violating the Secrets Acts. Herr did not bring an indictment. The subject was thoroughly covered in the media and in Congress. The Republican-led Congress has no grounds to base an impeachment after more than a year of digging for evidence. Accept reality and stop grinding your teeth over the legal outcome.

The evidence was conclusive and as plain as the nose on your face. Biden took documents out of a SCIF, he violated 18 USC 1924 (a). Who fucking cares about media coverage, has nothing to do with Biden's criminality.

Therefore, Title 18 U.S.C. 1924 ( a ) makes it a federal crime to knowingly remove classified documents or materials from their designated locations without authorization or retain them in an unauthorized area. Simply put, this federal statute deals with the unauthorized removal of classified documents. FYI

Q. Why isn’t Hillary in jail for similar reasons, including obstruction of justice? When Democrats are prosecuted and convicted for like crimes, then I’ll concede you have a point.

Ans: Donald Trump won the election. She lost. Trump was satisfied with that one can conjecture. He oversaw the Department of Justice, and despite saying he was going to pursue the investigation of the personal server violation, he did not direct any action to be taken on the matter. He promised Americans he would do so – then did not follow through. Failure of Trump’s follow-through did not lead to prosecution; therefore, she was not convicted as you would have liked to see it happen. You’ll have to concede that point out of fairness, as Trump’s failure to follow up was the result of the lack of that happening.

It wasn't up to Trump. She violated 18 USC 1924 and 18 USC 798. The classified document violations happened before the elections. Commey, without the authority stated in a public forum that no prosecutor would take the case. NOT HIS CALL, that authority comes from the DOJ Loretta Lynch not the director of the FBI.

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Also willfully obstructed justice by destroying evidence.

Q. Did Hunter Biden nearly get off scot-free on a plea deal for criminal behavior including tax evasion in the millions of dollars? It kind of makes pressing felony charges against Trump for bookkeeping impropriety trivial, his own family-owned company, his own books. I watched for 4 years of the administrative state attempt to destroy Trump’s administration.

Ans: Your logic is a red-herring obfuscation and blatantly slanted. Hunter Biden’s plea deal was tanked by a judge who questioned the deal, and it fell apart because she questioned the agreement. The legal system is working, and as you noted, Hunter didn’t ‘nearly’ get off scot-free. The case is ongoing.

The most recent activity was two weeks ago when the judge rejected all his motions to dismiss his charges:

. Justice is at work, as in Trump’s case, using Trump’s own books, accountants testifying, and other corroborating witnesses. Trump’s situation is more newsworthy as he is a high-profile political personality. Hunter Biden is merely a private citizen whose father is the President. Same situation if Barron Trump were being tried, presumably.

The prosecution and the defense are supposed to have an adversarial relationship not collaborate on how to best cover up criminal behavior. Thank God for an honest Judge to question the plea deal that would have given Hunter full amnesty for all crimes he committed.

U.S. attorney Weiss violated his oath as an officer of the court by knowingly allowing federal tax evasion violations to run out the statute of limitations.

Q. We are the problem? Do we have our heads too far up our ass to see the very measurable decline and politicization of our justice system? We preach Trump must be made to account for his deeds? We leftist loons must take responsibility for our own sins so we can move forward.

Ans: I’m going out on a limb here. WE, all of us, are caught up in the politicization of our justice system, not just the Left. Donald Trump is primarily responsible for the root cause of that. His rant about being robbed of an election has churned this nation into a sour state of affairs. His lies about his responsibilities for J6 and his narcissistic and immoral personality fuel the current legal battles. Wake up. A man charged with four major indictments with eighty-eight counts says he can kill someone out on Fifth Avenue and get away with it and blames everyone else for his failures - isn’t a good person. Nor is he a good candidate for you to get behind. If you do so, it is out of your sheer disingenuous mindset.

You said Democrats were once the lunch pail crowd, adding you were once upon a time a Democrat, but now you don’t recognize the Democrat Party. It has adjusted to the times and views of the strongly leaning moderates. The Republican Party has swung to the extremes – Trump is not a Republican of yore nor a Republican of today. He is a wannabe demi-god like those he admires in those third-world countries you mention. By the way, there is room for you to return to your roots in the party. Joe Biden welcomes Republicans to join him; he invited the supporters of Nikki Haley, so I’m sure you could come back. Trump, on the other hand, in a recent stump speech, told them that they were not welcome in his party. That’s the difference between the candidates – one is supportive – and the other wants to be a dictator for a day.

Your choice.

 

[icanhelp1]

18 U.S. Code § 798 - Disclosure of classified information​

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(a)Whoever knowingly and willfully communicates, furnishes, transmits, or otherwise makes available to an unauthorized person, or publishes, or uses in any manner prejudicial to the safety or interest of the United States or for the benefit of any foreign government to the detriment of the United States any classified information—
(1)
concerning the nature, preparation, or use of any code, cipher, or cryptographic system of the United States or any foreign government; or
(2)
concerning the design, construction, use, maintenance, or repair of any device, apparatus, or appliance used or prepared or planned for use by the United States or any foreign government for cryptographic or communication intelligence purposes; or
(3)
concerning the communication intelligence activities of the United States or any foreign government; or
(4)
obtained by the processes of communication intelligence from the communications of any foreign government, knowing the same to have been obtained by such processes—
Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.
(b)
As used in subsection (a) of this section—
The term “classified information” means information which, at the time of a violation of this section, is, for reasons of national security, specifically designated by a United States Government Agency for limited or restricted dissemination or distribution;
The terms “code,” “cipher,” and “cryptographic system” include in their meanings, in addition to their usual meanings, any method of secret writing and any mechanical or electrical device or method used for the purpose of disguising or concealing the contents, significance, or meanings of communications;
The term “foreign government” includes in its meaning any person or persons acting or purporting to act for or on behalf of any faction, party, department, agency, bureau, or military force of or within a foreign country, or for or on behalf of any government or any person or persons purporting to act as a government within a foreign country, whether or not such government is recognized by the United States;

 

[adrina]

Don Snoreleone strikes again.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1780242475828834482

 

[SmokingFap]

 

[dmallord]

18 U.S. Code § 798 - Disclosure of classified information​

• U.S. Code
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(a)Whoever knowingly and willfully communicates, furnishes, transmits, or otherwise makes available to an unauthorized person, or publishes, or uses in any manner prejudicial to the safety or interest of the United States or for the benefit of any foreign government to the detriment of the United States any classified information—
(1)
concerning the nature, preparation, or use of any code, cipher, or cryptographic system of the United States or any foreign government; or
(2)
concerning the design, construction, use, maintenance, or repair of any device, apparatus, or appliance used or prepared or planned for use by the United States or any foreign government for cryptographic or communication intelligence purposes; or
(3)
concerning the communication intelligence activities of the United States or any foreign government; or
(4)
obtained by the processes of communication intelligence from the communications of any foreign government, knowing the same to have been obtained by such processes—
Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.
(b)
As used in subsection (a) of this section—
The term “classified information” means information which, at the time of a violation of this section, is, for reasons of national security, specifically designated by a United States Government Agency for limited or restricted dissemination or distribution;
The terms “code,” “cipher,” and “cryptographic system” include in their meanings, in addition to their usual meanings, any method of secret writing and any mechanical or electrical device or method used for the purpose of disguising or concealing the contents, significance, or meanings of communications;
The term “foreign government” includes in its meaning any person or persons acting or purporting to act for or on behalf of any faction, party, department, agency, bureau, or military force of or within a foreign country, or for or on behalf of any government or any person or persons purporting to act as a government within a foreign country, whether or not such government is recognized by the United States;

Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago case applies. He violated classified secrets and communications. He communicated information about submarines to an Australian. He displayed and discussed battle plans with an autobiographer, telling her they were classified.

Then Trump is guilty as well.

Jack Smith is pursuing this line - or is trying to if the judge will set a trial date for it. Seems like an open and shut case.

 

[dmallord]

The evidence was conclusive and as plain as the nose on your face. Biden took documents out of a SCIF, he violated 18 USC 1924 (a). Who fucking cares about media coverage, has nothing to do with Biden's criminality.

Apparently, the Special Prosecutor cared enough about the process not to proceed. No charges were brought, so again, even if the evidence, in your view, was conclusive, there was more to the case than just the letter of the USC used in making the decision. My point is that Biden was not given preferential preference due to being a Democrat or that he technically oversees the DOJ.

Therefore, Title 18 U.S.C. 1924 ( a ) makes it a federal crime to knowingly remove classified documents or materials from their designated locations without authorization or retain them in an unauthorized area. Simply put, this federal statute deals with the unauthorized removal of classified documents. FYI

It wasn't up to Trump. She violated 18 USC 1924 and 18 USC 798. The classified document violations happened before the elections. Commey, without the authority stated in a public forum that no prosecutor would take the case. NOT HIS CALL, that authority comes from the DOJ Loretta Lynch not the director of the FBI.

Also willfully obstructed justice by destroying evidence.

The prosecution and the defense are supposed to have an adversarial relationship not collaborate on how to best cover up criminal behavior. Thank God for an honest Judge to question the plea deal that would have given Hunter full amnesty for all crimes he committed.

U.S. attorney Weiss violated his oath as an officer of the court by knowingly allowing federal tax evasion violations to run out the statute of limitations.

*Smiles to self*

Trump said he would take care of it and prosecute her. Are you saying that Trump didn't have the authority to intervene, just as Biden did not? Or was Trump lying, as usual, about politically following through with his promise to the public to 'lock her up?' Both Trump and Biden oversaw/oversee the DOJ.

It seems that both, as Presidents, allowed the cases to be settled without obstruction. Hurray for justice!

 

[Lazaran]

Then Trump is guilty as well.

This ^ suggests / assumes someone else is guilty of the same crimes the corrupt orange traitor has committed.

Why would anyone entertain such a ridiculous notion???

 

[dmallord]

This ^ suggests / assumes someone else is guilty of the same crimes the corrupt orange traitor has committed.

Why would anyone entertain such a ridiculous notion???

You would have to take that up with 'I can't help myself.' His red herring idea was that Biden was guilty of something about classified documents and didn't get charged, so he opined Donnie should not be guilty either.

I wasn't ascribing to his premise - don't lay this at my doorstep.

 

[Lazaran]

You would have to take that up with 'I can't help myself.' His red herring idea was that Biden was guilty of something about classified documents and didn't get charged, so he opined Donnie should not be guilty either.

I wasn't ascribing to his premise - don't lay this at my doorstep.

I understood perfectly what you were actually saying.



However, a less sophisticated observer MIGHT interpret your comment as a tacit acknowledgment that President Biden had committed the same crimes as the corrupt orange traitor,



And “I can’t help myself” will DEFINITELY interpret your comment as tacit acknowledgment that President Biden committed the same crimes as the corrupt orange traitor.



I’ve learned over the years that you can’t give a MAGAt even the slightest opening for spinning and gaslighting.

I figured you knew that as well.

My bad.

 

[icanhelp1]

Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago case applies. He violated classified secrets and communications. He communicated information about submarines to an Australian. He displayed and discussed battle plans with an autobiographer, telling her they were classified.

Then Trump is guilty as well.

Jack Smith is pursuing this line - or is trying to if the judge will set a trial date for it. Seems like an open and shut case.

Trump was president, authorized to handle any classified material outside a SCIF, also the only government employee who is authorized to classify and declassify. But you keep believing they’re one in the same.

 

[dkovic77]

More ignorant deflection.

As opposed to what exactly? Answering questions.

Please, let’s check to see which of us answers questions and which deflects.

Just because you don’t like the answers about your favorite criminal, doesn’t mean the points people being up are ignorant.

 

[dkovic77]

Trump was president, authorized to handle any classified material outside a SCIF, also the only government employee who is authorized to classify and declassify. But you keep believing they’re one in the same.

He can’t just nod his head and declassify things, there is a reporting process.

And after he left office, that power goes poof. But of course he can instruct his minions to move things from ballrooms, to storage rooms, to bath rooms. The shell game seems to be his usual play for everything.

Oh yeah, I got the money! Wait, can I pay less? (Cause I don’t got the money)

 

[Bray123]

Trump was president, authorized to handle any classified material outside a SCIF, also the only government employee who is authorized to classify and declassify. But you keep believing they’re one in the same.

According to GatewayPundit.

Unfortunately, wrong. The President is not the only employee authorized to classify or declassify, that happens across many departments. If it were true, the President would do nothing else at all.

 

[icanhelp1]

According to GatewayPundit.

Unfortunately, wrong. The President is not the only employee authorized to classify or declassify, that happens across many departments. If it were true, the President would do nothing else at all.

Let me clarify, the only individual who can have access to all levels of classified material and is the only individual that can declassify without authorization of an agency as president. Agencies can classify and declassify within their local authority, but that wasn’t my point. Biden was not the president, he was a senator and took classified documents from a SCIF but never charged. I should have explained my point more clearly.

 

[jomar]

The evidence was conclusive and as plain as the nose on your face. Biden took documents out of a SCIF, he violated 18 USC 1924 (a). Who fucking cares about media coverage, has nothing to do with Biden's criminality.

I wonder if there’s some legal leeway. Seems like I read Biden had daily schedules, old travel itineraries, and menus in the garage while trump had current military strategic plans that were shuffled around at mar.

(a)Whoever knowingly and willfully communicates, furnishes, transmits, or otherwise makes available to an unauthorized person, or publishes, or uses in any manner prejudicial to the safety or interest of the United States or for the benefit of any foreign government to the detriment of the United States any classified information—

Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.
(b)

That seems to cover trump revealing secret nuclear submarine stuff to an Australian businessman, unless of course you believe he declassified the material on the spot with his mind.