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[JaySecrets]

Scalia, who was nominated by Reagan.

Reagan who was one of the greatest presidents this country has ever had .

 

[ll74]

Reagan who was one of the greatest presidents this country has ever had .

Believed so by every stupid Republican.

Those same dipshits support Trump unironically

 

[MajorRewrite]

Research the world economic forum. And the United Nations does in fact control and govern a lot. Just do it through policies that they manipulate local governance and federal governments into imposing. The United Nations and the world economic forum are the two biggest governing bodies on the planet. Our own federal government isn't in large part by our federal government anymore. It's run by the United Nations and the world economic forum. And that isn't theory... They openly talk about it. I've watched the interviews and watched the public forums in which they talk about it. I can't unsee something to placate your blindness on that.

As for the the one or two videos that you can pull up of someone flying a Nazi flag at a trump rally, You notice those videos aren't very long. It's because they don't show on that video that the second that person gets noticed flying that flag, that flag gets torn down from them. I'd encourage you to go and try to find the full video and you will see that the Nazi flags are not tolerated at Trump rallies. And in fact, there are paid protesters who show up at the rallies specifically to do that. Fly the Nazi flags and the Confederate flags in order to paint Trump rallies in a different light. And the media is on board and plays along.

Conspiracy nuts are so funny. Do you also believe in Pizzagate?

 

[RoryN]

Reagan who was one of the greatest presidents this country has ever had .

History does and will see him far differently, no matter what you Deplorables try to spin.

Reagan was a turd who left a smear on the country. Trump was diarrhea.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Believed so by every stupid Republican.

Those same dipshits support Trump unironically

As the Republican party lurches inexorably towards fascism and totalitarianism, I've noticed a distinct cooling of the ardor formerly genuflected upon Saint Ronnie of Hollywood.

 

[Pad_Foot]

Hmm? Reagan?
Opened up SS to borrowing? Opened the “lockbox”
Paid off the Iranians
Ran Contra to Congress’ wishes?
Ended up with Alzheimer’s in office? “I do not recall”
Closed down insane asylums in Ca to put those folks on the street ?
Ran up the beginnings of our national debt to beat the USSR which was not as tough as advertised? But? Hey! That worked for a while. At least Reagan knew the Russians were not our friends!!
Had a VP avoid impeachment thanks to Mr Barr suggesting that all the IranContra folks needed pardons post haste?
Yeah! Total Genius!
Fucking wonderful compared to the Orange Ass, but, Reagan had a Dem as speaker he could work to get things done back when the government worked … better

 

[RobDownSouth]

Hmm? Reagan?
Opened up SS to borrowing? Opened the “lockbox”
Paid off the Iranians
Ran Contra to Congress’ wishes?
Ended up with Alzheimer’s in office? “I do not recall”
Closed down insane asylums in Ca to put those folks on the street ?
Ran up the beginnings of our national debt to beat the USSR which was not as tough as advertised? But? Hey! That worked for a while. At least Reagan knew the Russians were not our friends!!
Had a VP avoid impeachment thanks to Mr Barr suggesting that all the IranContra folks needed pardons post haste?
Yeah! Total Genius!
Fucking wonderful compared to the Orange Ass, but, Reagan had a Dem as speaker he could work to get things done back when the government worked … better

Congress really didn't begin imploding until Newtie Gingrich began instructing Republican elected officials how to denigrate your opponents faith, beliefs, families and positions.

 

[JaySecrets]

History does and will see him far differently, no matter what you Deplorables try to spin.

Reagan was a turd who left a smear on the country. Trump was diarrhea.

Too bad for you the actual enemies of America, Russia and China, completely disagree with you. Russia and China... And several other socialist and communist Nations were terrified to make a move with Reagan or Trump around. With Reagan it was ending the Cold war and the Berlin wall. With Trump it was Russia who was scared to move against Ukraine and China that was actually being held in check. What happens after they leave... We have Bush senior riding The coattails of a Reagan great economy and wasting and squandering the legacy. And the second Biden gets in, Russia says hey, we're good to go and move in on Ukraine, China just knows their puppet is in play, nations that had signed a treaty to play nice with Israel figured hey, since the guy who actually is armed Israel's side is gone, we can start dumping on them. It's not those two that leave horrible legacies. It's those who follow them who have run everything into the ground.

 

[Sean Renaud]

And finally I find it absolutely appalling that when I see the liberal side of the conversations here I see. So much hate and vile language Spewed, it's disgusting. If President Biden were to die tomorrow most conservatives... True conservatives... Wouldn't be saying yeah he died good riddance. We would mourn the loss of a soul. We don't mock and laugh at people's suffering. But you on the left apparently do. You're just proving that you are a hateful spiteful sickening sick-minded bunch. And I'm sorry for you because that isn't any way to live.

Get the fuck out with that bullshit. The difference between Democrats and Republicans couldn't be more stark on this point. A man attacks Nancy Pelosi's husband with the stated goal of breaking Nancy's knees and Trump jokes about it and the Repubicans laught about it. Biden falls of a bike and for months that was used as laugh line. Mitch has a glitch and Biden immediately calls to see the condition of his colleague. After 9/11 Dems rallied around Bush giving him the only majority vote the Republicans have had since his father. Right now the Right are praying for a recession and a terrorist attack.

 

[RoryN]

Too bad for you the actual enemies of America, Russia and China, completely disagree with you.

Don't forget Deplorables - they completely disagree with me on this too.

But they are also enemies of America, so that makes sense.

 

[bijedi]

Too bad for you the actual enemies of America, Russia and China, completely disagree with you.

That's an assertion with no facts to support it.

Russia and China... And several other socialist and communist Nations were terrified to make a move with Reagan or Trump around. With Reagan it was ending the Cold war and the Berlin wall.

The Soviet Union's military misadventure in Afghanistan and the Chernobyl accident had far more to do with the end of the Cold War than any actions of the Reagan administration.

With Trump it was Russia who was scared to move against Ukraine and China that was actually being held in check.

There is no evidence anywhere that Russia 'feared' the Trump administration. Quite the contrary, most indications were Russia felt that they could manipulate Trump to whatever ends they desired. Why waste the military capital invading Ukraine when Trump was ready to hand it to them on a platter?

China benefitted more from the Trump administration than they did from any American president since Nixon. The idea that Trump did anything to hold back China is laughable.

What happens after they leave... We have Bush senior riding The coattails of a Reagan great economy and wasting and squandering the legacy.

The only legacy Reagan left GHWB was a runaway deficit and a dictator in Iraq.

And the second Biden gets in, Russia says hey, we're good to go and move in on Ukraine,

More likely, Russia knew that they had a very small window in which they could mount a successful military takeover of Ukraine before the western alliances would be able to coordinate support for their defense. And even there they miscalculated.

China just knows their puppet is in play,

Again, an assertion with no evidence. China currently has too many domestic issues to deal with, they have little appetite for unnecessary international conflicts.

nations that had signed a treaty to play nice with Israel figured hey, since the guy who actually is armed Israel's side is gone, we can start dumping on them.

Since when did the US stop providing arms to Israel. This is just partisan propaganda they has no relation to anything in reality.

It's not those two that leave horrible legacies. It's those who follow them who have run everything into the ground.

You are entitled to your opinions. The majority of historians say the facts don't agree.

 

[JaySecrets]

That's an assertion with no facts to support it.

The Soviet Union's military misadventure in Afghanistan and the Chernobyl accident had far more to do with the end of the Cold War than any actions of the Reagan administration.

There is no evidence anywhere that Russia 'feared' the Trump administration. Quite the contrary, most indications were Russia felt that they could manipulate Trump to whatever ends they desired. Why waste the military capital invading Ukraine when Trump was ready to hand it to them on a platter?

China benefitted more from the Trump administration than they did from any American president since Nixon. The idea that Trump did anything to hold back China is laughable.


The only legacy Reagan left GHWB was a runaway deficit and a dictator in Iraq.


More likely, Russia knew that they had a very small window in which they could mount a successful military takeover of Ukraine before the western alliances would be able to coordinate support for their defense. And even there they miscalculated.


Again, an assertion with no evidence. China currently has too many domesticate issues to deal with, they have little appetite for unnecessary international conflicts.


Since when did the US stop providing arms to Israel. This is just partisan propaganda they has no relation to anything in reality.


You are entitled to your opinions. The majority of historians say the facts don't agree.

No, the majority of liberal historians from so-called elite universities who have been pushing socialism for decades don't agree. Actual historians do agree.

But you keep up with your revisionist history and see how it goes when America falls under tyranny because we as people have sat by and bought into revisionist history and socialist brainwashing.

 

[jaF0]

Ronni Raygun is generally on par with, or in some cases below both BO and Bubba.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_rankings_of_presidents_of_the_United_States

 

[bijedi]

No, the majority of liberal historians from so-called elite universities who have been pushing socialism for decades don't agree. Actual historians do agree.

So the only real historians are the ones that agree with your positions. That's a very anti-intellectual, anti-expertise, pro-ignorance position. How predictable.

But you keep up with your revisionist history and see how it goes when America falls under tyranny because we as people have sat by and bought into revisionist history and socialist brainwashing.

The only side threatening tyranny today are those on the right. They are making no secret of their desire to do away with democracy and replace it with their version of theocracy. So much irony in this statement.

 

[JaySecrets]

So the only real historians are the ones that agree with your positions. That's a very anti-intellectual, anti-expertise, pro-ignorance position. How predictable.


The only side threatening tyranny today are those on the right. They are making no secret of their desire to do away with democracy and replace it with their version of theocracy. So much irony in this statement.

First, I don't believe that only historians that agree with me are good... But when historians at these Liberal al so-called elite universities that have been bastions of socialism for decades spout themselves as the only experts on the matter, ignore brilliant minds like Thomas Sowell and other great economists and historians, cuz they aren't liberal enough... When they literally ban conservative talk from their University campuses. These are not historians. These are they're agenda driven propaganda pushers. That's why they'd rather quote a people's history of America than actually use history books.

And for the record, America was never founded to be a democracy. It was founded to be a representative Republic. Get it right.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

I’ve been trying to get a handle on what his deal is. I don’t think he’s an alt. I think he’s a right-wing evangelical who’s been so heavily propagandized he doesn’t know which way is up anymore.

He reminds me of xphrodobagans or some such name. He had a thread about getting into heaven. Left about 3 years ago. Kind of jives with his little story he's narrating here.

 

[RobDownSouth]

One a person can have many reasons for not wanting to use their old ID. I'm not going to get into mine because right now is not the time and you don't know the backstory. There is no TSO or whatever that is banning involved. I haven't been on this site for 2 years. But I am not going to defend my choice of actions to you because I don't need to.

Your cowardice is duly noted.

Second, fact that you attribute Alex Jones thinking to mainstream conservatism is the epitome of straw man arguments.

You continue to ascribe positions to me, this is the sign of a weak conservative mind. Show me ONE post where *I* reference Alex Jones. He's your bogeyman, you don't like him, so you assign his positions to me and criticize me for "my" positions.

Third to call Donald Trump a totalitarian is absolutely asinine.<rationalization snip> [

My dude, Trump HIMSELF claimed he'd be a dictator TWICE. He tries to downplay it by adding "just for one day", but I'm not aware of any totalitarian dictator in history that ceded power after one day.

Third, America is not nor was it ever supposed to be a democracy. It is a representative Republic.

Hair-splitting. The 2024 choice is Team Democratic Republic Red White and Blue against Team Fascist Orange.
I support the first choice. You appear to have signed up for the second.

I can't help but observe that you on the left want to call conservatives, fascists and totalitarians, <Covid mask rant snipped> <Covid vaccine rant snipped>.

The conservative Republican party is gone.
In its place is the nascent Maga Fascist movement.

If that's fascism and authoritarianism... Sign me up.

One suspects that you signed up for fascism long ago.

 

[dmallord]

I presume Texas won't be asking for any federal aid for this.

It already did. Biden sent in added support: fire trucks, aerial drops to include helicopters and promised more. Still the governor ... cries about the border.

 

[Sean Renaud]

First, I don't believe that only historians that agree with me are good... But when historians at these Liberal al so-called elite universities that have been bastions of socialism for decades spout themselves as the only experts on the matter, ignore brilliant minds like Thomas Sowell and other great economists and historians, cuz they aren't liberal enough... When they literally ban conservative talk from their University campuses. These are not historians. These are they're agenda driven propaganda pushers. That's why they'd rather quote a people's history of America than actually use history books.

And for the record, America was never founded to be a democracy. It was founded to be a representative Republic. Get it right.

Sowell is an evil sell out. He's not stupid like most right wing historians. He knows what he's talking about and intentionally uses it to poison the well. Its a good gig if you can it.

America was founded as a democracy you stupid fuck.

 

[JaySecrets]

Sowell is an evil sell out. He's not stupid like most right wing historians. He knows what he's talking about and intentionally uses it to poison the well. Its a good gig if you can it.

America was founded as a democracy you stupid fuck.

Some of the founding fathers of the United States had concerns about democracy:

• John Adams: In 1814, Adams wrote that democracy is short-lived and self-destructive.

Remember Democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes exhausts and murders itself. There never was a Democracy Yet, that did not commit suicide. It is in vain to Say that Democracy is less vain, less proud, less selfish, less ambitious or less avaricious than Aristocracy or Monarchy.

• James Madison: Madison believed that small democracies are vulnerable to majority faction because undesirable passions can quickly spread to a majority of the people.

The Constitution established a Federal democratic republic. It is the system of the Federal Government; it is democratic because the people govern themselves; and it is a republic because the Government's power is derived from its people.

While often categorized as a democracy, the United States is more accurately defined as a constitutional federal republic. What does this mean? “Constitutional” refers to the fact that government in the United States is based on a Constitution which is the supreme law of the United States.

 

[JaySecrets]

Sowell is an evil sell out. He's not stupid like most right wing historians. He knows what he's talking about and intentionally uses it to poison the well. Its a good gig if you can it.

America was founded as a democracy you stupid fuck.

Nowhere in any founding document, will you find the term democracy describing America. You will always find the word Republic. America was never supposed to be a democracy, as the quotes by the founding fathers that I just posted clearly state. The idea of America as a democracy came from the liberal left. They wanted to be able to control things by mob rule. The founders on the other hand occasionally referred to democracy as mobocracy. You have a very different view of America than the founders did.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Some of the founding fathers of the United States had concerns about democracy:

• John Adams: In 1814, Adams wrote that democracy is short-lived and self-destructive.

Remember Democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes exhausts and murders itself. There never was a Democracy Yet, that did not commit suicide. It is in vain to Say that Democracy is less vain, less proud, less selfish, less ambitious or less avaricious than Aristocracy or Monarchy.

• James Madison: Madison believed that small democracies are vulnerable to majority faction because undesirable passions can quickly spread to a majority of the people.

The Constitution established a Federal democratic republic. It is the system of the Federal Government; it is democratic because the people govern themselves; and it is a republic because the Government's power is derived from its people.

While often categorized as a democracy, the United States is more accurately defined as a constitutional federal republic. What does this mean? “Constitutional” refers to the fact that government in the United States is based on a Constitution which is the supreme law of the United States.

John Adams was clearly wrong on that front. James had something of a point but either way they were talking about direct democracies not what we have really anywhere in the industrial world today. They were setting up an Aristocracy and psuedo monarchy so there is that.

Bolded the important part. The government in America hasn't answered to the Constitution until they are utterly fucked on the merits of the case. Especially if you don't think the Constitution GIVES you rights. Which it does. That is where your rights come from and much of the Constitution is dated as all hell and we'd be wise to start revamping it for the modern world.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Nowhere in any founding document, will you find the term democracy describing America. You will always find the word Republic. America was never supposed to be a democracy, as the quotes by the founding fathers that I just posted clearly state. The idea of America as a democracy came from the liberal left. They wanted to be able to control things by mob rule. The founders on the other hand occasionally referred to democracy as mobocracy. You have a very different view of America than the founders did.

You've already ceded its a Democratic Republic just because they didn't have that specific term yet doesn't make it any less true. The idea that we vote doesn't come from the liberal left. "No taxation without representation" Actually scratch that it did come from a liberal left. You're not wrong on that particular front.

Ignoring that the Founders didn't think anything or have a view of anything. They weren't the fucking Borg. I'm also so curious why people who claim to champion freedom and self determination are so determined to be slaves to dust and bones. Can't think for yourself?

We don't view the world the way they did anyway so that's kind of a bullshit argument.

 

[JaySecrets]

You've already ceded its a Democratic Republic just because they didn't have that specific term yet doesn't make it any less true. The idea that we vote doesn't come from the liberal left. "No taxation without representation" Actually scratch that it did come from a liberal left. You're not wrong on that particular front.

Ignoring that the Founders didn't think anything or have a view of anything. They weren't the fucking Borg. I'm also so curious why people who claim to champion freedom and self determination are so determined to be slaves to dust and bones. Can't think for yourself?

We don't view the world the way they did anyway so that's kind of a bullshit argument.

And there you have your problem. You think you know more and are wiser than men who put everything on the line as young men in order to buy and to gain freedom. You think you know more than those who were literally reading Latin at Junior high age. You think you understand more than those who lived in a time where they studied true philosophy and they learned wisdom from ages and and we're grounded in absolutes. YOU may not view things in the way they did then. But many of us do. They gave us documents that spelled out principles that are easily applied across the board. They gave us self-governance, but it was self-governance in order to do right. They gave us laws that were coming out of... Well an understanding of scripture, as well as the studies on law by Blackwell. If you have ever read a law book by Blackwell, it is rich and it is profound.

They didn't give us a living breathing document that could evolve and change with the times. They spelled out hard and fast principles based on truth, and then said apply these principles accurately to situations in life. These were men far more wise and intelligent and experienced in life than you will ever be.

And no, they did not want a democracy. They concerted it a rule by the mob. That's why when it comes to the final balance in the legislative branch, every state gets one vote. That's why the electoral college so that it's not a majority rules vote nationwide in elections. The founders put protections in place to keep this from being a democracy. And they were wise to do so.

The problem is liberals think they know more in their modern higher learning than the founders did in their day. And liberals are wrong.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

And there you have your problem. You think you know more and are wiser than men who put everything on the line as young men in order to buy and to gain freedom. You think you know more than those who were literally reading Latin at Junior high age. You think you understand more than those who lived in a time where they studied true philosophy and they learned wisdom from ages and and we're grounded in absolutes. YOU may not view things in the way they did then. But many of us do. They gave us documents that spelled out principles that are easily applied across the board. They gave us self-governance, but it was self-governance in order to do right. They gave us laws that were coming out of... Well an understanding of scripture, as well as the studies on law by Blackwell. If you have ever read a law book by Blackwell, it is rich and it is profound.

They didn't give us a living breathing document that could evolve and change with the times. They spelled out hard and fast principles based on truth, and then said apply these principles accurately to situations in life. These were men far more wise and intelligent and experienced in life than you will ever be.

And no, they did not want a democracy. They concerted it a rule by the mob. That's why when it comes to the final balance in the legislative branch, every state gets one vote. That's why the electoral college so that it's not a majority rules vote nationwide in elections. The founders put protections in place to keep this from being a democracy. And they were wise to do so.

The problem is liberals think they know more in their modern higher learning than the founders did in their day. And liberals are wrong.

The founding fathers were intelligent men, but their thinking was tainted by their dependence on slavery. They knew that treating people like animals was wrong, but they couldn’t give it up because their genteel lifestyle was made possible by the unpaid labor of African slaves. It’s easy to spend your days learning Greek and Latin when you have army of prisoners cooking, cleaning, and working in the fields for you.

It’s taken America centuries to live up to the founder’s lofty ideals and give black Americans their proper place at the big table of democracy. We’re not there yet, but if we work together we can truly achieve liberty and justice for all.