Will you vote for Trump?

[TastySuckToy]

Being called rude names doesn’t give you license to be rude to others,

So other people can be delibrately rude to me and that's fine. But if my honest perception of someone doesn't fit their own subjective self perception, that's unacceptably rude?

particularly not to people whose only offense is not performing their gender role to your satisfaction.

Where would I ever demand anyone to perform a gender role?

 

[YDB95]

You're asking people to disregard/ignore their own perceptions to satisfy someone else's subjective self perception. I see no rational reason to do this.

How about the fact that they know themselves better than you know them?

Why? I'm routinely name called around here with labels that are delibrately intended to be rude, disrespectful and hurtful.

In my experience here, it's almost always just hitting back.

Being incorrectly identified as a man/male or woman/female would strike me as an amusing perception error, especially since there's nothing wrong with being either.

First of all, this is a textbook example of cis privilege. Secondly, while there's nothing wrong with being either gender, how would you like it if people constantly referred to you as the wrong one when you had made your preferences clear? Third, if you misgender a trans person right now, you're going to come off looking like a bigoted asshole whether you want to or not. That's just the way it is.

 

[icanhelp1]

Like usual another thread gone batshit crazy and totally off topic.

 

[Lazaran]

How about the fact that they know themselves better than you know them?

In my experience here, it's almost always just hitting back.

First of all, this is a textbook example of cis privilege. Secondly, while there's nothing wrong with being either gender, how would you like it if people constantly referred to you as the wrong one when you had made your preferences clear? Third, if you misgender a trans person right now, you're going to come off looking like a bigoted asshole whether you want to or not. That's just the way it is.

Also:

An individual that shows up on the PB and proclaims their support for the rapey, racist, misogynistic, demented, corrupt orange traitor, and followed that up by openly exhibiting bigotry, has earned / merited any and all incivility directed at them: An individual that just wants the simple respect / courtesy of being addressed by the gender they identify with does not.



In addition:

I will never understand why supporters of that corrupt orange piece of dog excrement think they deserve civility, when their corrupt orange traitorous avatar mocks and debases the disabled, heroic war veterans, women, and even "republicans" who dare speak out of turn.



Supporters of the rapey, racist, misogynistic, demented, corrupt orange traitor are the ones who "normalized " incivility and the lowering of public discourse by foisting that corrupt orange piece of dog excrement on America and the world.

Fuck their feelings.

Fucking snowflakes.

 

[cypressknee]

Yes

 

[Chernosoth]

I forgot Michigan's Pub primary was yesterday.

 

[jomar]

I have yet to see any evidence that gender dysphoria is anything more than conviction of personal belief.

You might consider looking up epigenetics on the topic, they’re unraveling it but miles to go. Basically, epigenetics is sorting that genital sex is determined in the first trimester of pregnancy, sexual identity in the second and sexual orientation in the third (I might have the last two switched but no matter for this discussion). Now imagine a pebble rolling down a hill. The pebble mostly bounces in a way to hit all the cis switches, but sometimes bounces left or right in the second and third trimesters so for example, you have male genitalia, female identity and bisexual orientation, or a variety of other combinations.

 

[Veroe]

Its unlikely I'll vote for Trump, not because of the indictments, I'm all for alot of the things he is: rebalancing who pays how much in nato, needing more border security, bringing back American manufacturers into small town America, rebalancing trade with china, and an America first oriented foreign policy. The thing is he did nothing on some of those after swearing up and down he would on day 1, and his ideas on how to do the others I find really shallow and stupid as fuck.

That's what led me to vote for Hillary in 2016 and biden in 2020.

 

[whiskeytangofoxtrot]

Its unlikely I'll vote for Trump, not because of the indictments, I'm all for alot of the things he is: rebalancing who pays how much in nato, needing more border security, bringing back American manufacturers into small town America, rebalancing trade with china, and an America first oriented foreign policy. The thing is he did nothing on some of those after swearing up and down he would on day 1, and his ideas on how to do the others I find really shallow and stupid as fuck.

That's what led me to vote for Hillary in 2016 and biden in 2020.

much of what you bring to light Veroe also requires that all levels of government invest back in the people for education, housing, safe environment, mental health, etc. without those investments, we lack the skilled workforce to manufacture, create jobs, stimulate greater wealth to fund government operations and safety as well as security here and abroad.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

You're asking people to disregard/ignore their own perceptions to satisfy someone else's subjective self perception. I see no rational reason to do this.

Why? I'm routinely name called around here with labels that are delibrately intended to be rude, disrespectful and hurtful.

Being incorrectly identified as a man/male or woman/female would strike me as an amusing perception error, especially since there's nothing wrong with being either.

No, I don't get to determine what gender someone must be identified as. I simply have a perception of someone's identity and express that perception as I see it.

I don't determine for anyone else if someone is tall, I simply perceive them that way.

I don't choose to identify someone as bald, I simply perceive them that way or not.

If you meet a bald man, do you make a point of calling him bald? “Hey there, baldy!”

The fact that you notice something doesn’t mean you have to comment on it. Part of being a member of civil society is refraining from immediately articulating whatever random cruel thought pops into your head.

 

[bijedi]

You're asking people to disregard/ignore their own perceptions to satisfy someone else's subjective self perception. I see no rational reason to do this.

Why? I'm routinely name called around here with labels that are delibrately intended to be rude, disrespectful and hurtful.

Being incorrectly identified as a man/male or woman/female would strike me as an amusing perception error, especially since there's nothing wrong with being either.

No, I don't get to determine what gender someone must be identified as. I simply have a perception of someone's identity and express that perception as I see it.

I don't determine for anyone else if someone is tall, I simply perceive them that way.

I don't choose to identify someone as bald, I simply perceive them that way or not.

At this point we are just going around in circles and the conversation has become stale and boring. This will likely be my last response to you on this topic.

Gender dysphoria is not new. It has been recognized by almost all societies we have record of. In most of those societies, it was seen as a challenge to the dominant identity politics and the structuring of power based on those identity politics. In those societies, it was shamed, marginalized and persecuted. In the few societies where it wasn't seen as a challenge to the dominant identity politics, it was given its own space and even sometimes its own position of authority.

Like many other behaviors that western societies that have been labelled aberrant or immoral, as we study it and understand more about the nature and causes of gender dysphoria, it has began to gain more acceptance. This acceptance challenges the position of those who benefit from or are accustomed to the current structuring of power based on identity politics that marginalize those behaviors. They will naturally push back against this acceptance and understanding. We have seen this pattern with many marginalized groups (e.g. women, blacks, gays, first nations/native americans, etc.).

This push back takes many forms. In some cases it takes the form of criminalizing gender affirming therapies. In other cases, it takes the form of invalidating their experience for disagreeing with your perception of their experience.

You can be certain you will be allowed to push back against the acceptance of individuals with gender dysphoria. And you can rest assured you will be not alone in that push back. And you may even be able to roll back some of the gains made by the transgender community from time to time. But going by recent history and the trends in current research, you will be on the wrong side of history in this. Just like those who perceived persons of African descent to be subordinate to and less than those of European descent. Just like those who perceived women to be less than and subordinate to men. Just like those who perceive gays and lesbians to be deviant and immoral and less than hetero normative people.

But hey, that is just one person's opinion.

 

[HisArpy]

If you meet a bald man, do you make a point of calling him bald? “Hey there, baldy!”

The fact that you notice something doesn’t mean you have to comment on it. Part of being a member of civil society is refraining from immediately articulating whatever random cruel thought pops into your head.

Some people do exactly that. Or make comments about "how's the weather up there?" to very tall people. Or any number of other dumb things people do and say which are essentially harmless.

It's what people do and your inability to recognize it is part of where your blindness on other subjects comes from. You think everyone is exactly like you. To the point that you believe that anyone who isn't a carbon copy of you is to be eliminated or excluded.

You are the one who says and does the hurtful things, not those who have no ill will or intent.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Some people do exactly that. Or make comments about "how's the weather up there?" to very tall people. Or any number of other dumb things people do and say which are essentially harmless.

It's what people do and your inability to recognize it is part of where your blindness on other subjects comes from. You think everyone is exactly like you. To the point that you believe that anyone who isn't a carbon copy of you is to be eliminated or excluded.

You are the one who says and does the hurtful things, not those who have no ill will or intent.

Yes, it’s true that some people are rude and cruel. That doesn’t make it right. I disagree that people who deliberately misgender people have no ill will or bad intent. They are being willfully insulting.

 

[Bn2f]

Some people do exactly that. Or make comments about "how's the weather up there?" to very tall people. Or any number of other dumb things people do and say which are essentially harmless.

It's what people do and your inability to recognize it is part of where your blindness on other subjects comes from. You think everyone is exactly like you. To the point that you believe that anyone who isn't a carbon copy of you is to be eliminated or excluded.

You are the one who says and does the hurtful things, not those who have no ill will or intent.

Some people like attacking women for sport. How about you show some PB respect and answer another woman’s stated question with a yes or no.

 

[Bn2f]

I’m always and forever impressed with BSG. All you misogynistic yahoos continually go after her (and anyone else perceived to be a female). You think you are grilling her and scoring points. All the rest of us see is a strong and educated woman, answering EVERY DAMNED question, sipping on water and chillaxing suffering fools.

 

[TastySuckToy]

I’m always and forever impressed with BSG. All you misogynistic yahoos continually go after her (and anyone else perceived to be a female).

BSG is actually civil and interesting to talk to, thus making her one of the rare types around here to interact with. We agree on some things, and probably disagree on many others.

Her being a woman is completely irrelevant, and she certainly doesn't need any defense or support from others.

 

[eigenschwarz]

Simple yes or no.

Hell no.

Why? Because I'm not a fucking Nazi.

 

[Bn2f]

BSG is actually civil and interesting to talk to, thus making her one of the rare types around here to interact with. We agree on some things, and probably disagree on many others.

Her being a woman is completely irrelevant, and she certainly doesn't need any defense or support from others.

Wrong on her gender being irrelevant.
True she doesn’t need me or anyone defending but I did. Her answering your questions didn’t highlight her patience as much as it showed your inability to understand and penchant for continued circular arguments, or sea-lioning, as was also previously pointed out.

 

[Lazaran]

Wrong on her gender being irrelevant.
True she doesn’t need me or anyone defending but I did. Her answering your questions didn’t highlight her patience as much as it showed your inability to understand and penchant for continued circular arguments, or sea-lioning, as was also previously pointed out.

Engaging with certain individuals would be a lot easier if they would just be honest, and they would open every comment with the disclaimer : “I’m an intractable MAGAt / Deplorables that DOESN’T WANT TO / CANNOT be persuaded by the presentation of objective truth or the thoroughly researched consensus conclusions of experts in various fields of science and the arts.”



It usually takes me a few posts to suss out that an individual is an intractable MAGAt / Deplorable.

That ^ is wasted time I will never get back, which could have been dedicated to mocking and deriding them.

 

[goldytheGoldfish]

Only a moron would vote for trump after everything he has said and done.

You mean if he had lost, resigned respectfully and then run for re-election later?

 

[Philthy_Phil]

You mean if he had lost, resigned respectfully and then run for re-election later?

No I don't mean that.

 

[PaxNurgle]

I guess I was ignorant of how many fascist trvmpshrtz are here. You all can go fvck yourselves and each other.
Trouble is you are fvcking the country. The USA lost in November 2016.

There aren't really as many as it appears; keep in mind that many of them have multiple accounts who post simultaneously. And, many of those who do use this forum, do so EXCLUSIVELY to use this forum- for propaganda purposes. Whereas, most of us use this forum because it is part of an amateur literature website that we contribute to.

And, I strongly suspect that many of these people not only have zero interest in contributing any erotic literature to this site, but would, in fact, love nothing more than to see an iron-fisted government shut down all erotic literature sites- including this one.

 

[PaxNurgle]

It's always fun to watch threads get so removed from the initial theme.

Trump 2024!

We have to stop Biden's intentional destruction of our country.

Case in point...May I present the above quote from HisArpy. Also known as Icanhelp1. Also known as TanJaguar. Also known as ChloeTzang. Also known as.... I could go on but you get the idea.

 

[Lazaran]

Its unlikely I'll vote for Trump, not because of the indictments, I'm all for alot of the things he is: rebalancing who pays how much in nato,

Every President has pushed for that; and NATO began devoting more money to defense BEFORE the corrupt orange traitor took office. NATO also was motivated more by Russian aggression than anything else.

needing more border security,

Democrats, especially President Biden, have ALWAYS been invested in border security, AND have also supported the funding / revenue streams to pay for it. (And President Obama was labeled the “deporter in chief” fffs.) Meanwhile, the corrupt orange traitor sabotaged an immigration reform and border security bill in 2018, and that corrupt orange POS just sabotaged ANOTHER border security bill.

bringing back American manufacturers into small town America,

President Biden ACTUALLY brought back manufacturing and got a bipartisan infrastructure bill passed. (Among maaaaaany other major accomplishments.)

rebalancing trade with china

The corrupt orange traitor’s tariffs / trade war with China was a net negative for America on several fronts: (The economic effects were mixed, and China turned to Russia for grain purchases after the corrupt orange traitor’s tariffs, which may well have factored into Putin’s / Russia’s decision to invade Ukraine: Ukraine is a major grain producer)

, and an America first oriented foreign policy

The corrupt orange traitor’s America first foreign policy is an abdication of America’s responsibility as the leader of the free and Democratic world, a capitulation to Putin and Xi, and an open door to the expansion of authoritarianism.

. The thing is he did nothing on some of those after swearing up and down he would on day 1, and his ideas on how to do the others I find really shallow and stupid as fuck.

That's what led me to vote for Hillary in 2016 and biden in 2020.

That ^ is totally accurate, though it still gives the corrupt orange traitor too much credit for having a good "novel" strategy, but just failing on execution.

 

[Chernosoth]

I could have voted Uncommitted in the primary. Maybe next time. The more important vote this year is the state caucus.