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[Rightguide]

All well and good.

But as you concede yourself in your penultimate paragraph the response is exactly what you say it is - disproportionate.

That was always going to be the case in the eyes of Israel haters, the usual left wing/student/ Muslim faction.

But now it begins to look disproportionate in the eyes of more reasonable people usually more inclined to give support, or at least the benefit of the doubt, to Israel.

I‘m a supporter of the Israelis in most circumstances - and absolutely support their need to smash into Hamas til they yield and if necessary the Iranians - but listening to some of you dodgy fuckers here dehumanising civilians, including kids and babies buried under rubble, based on their bloodline reminds me how programmed you are.

To deter a future attack the proper response is overwhelming force. For instance in 1988 when Iran attacked and nearly sank the USS Samuel B. Roberts Ronald Reagan sank half of Iran's naval fleet.

 

[Rightguide]

If you want to post about the US border, please create a thread on the topic (or use one of the many already existing ones)

Fuck off, the article is about a fuck up, the first paragraph has a link to a report on the intelligence failure on the day of the beginning of the Israeli/Hamas war which is the subject. My comment at the end was how Biden's Ambiguity, aspirational Misperception, Deception, and Preconception might bring the same kind of disaster to us here at home on our border.

We should call this the Biden war on the West. He funded the Iranians who funded Hamas and the Houthis. Biden conveniently delisted the Houthis from the terror watch list in February of 2021 and now we reap the reward. Because Joe Biden is the real Manchurian Candidate.

 

[Rightguide]

I thought you were convinced the US was already overstretched?

If Biden bombed the fuck out of the Houthis, or gave the Iranians a bloody nose - which you imply, possibly correctly, that he lacks the bottle to do - you’d be first here to condemn him.

You're full of crap and quite possibly can't read for comprehension. When did I say an attack on the US shouldn't be answered with overwhelming force?

 

[ll74]

Fuck off, the article is about a fuck up, the first paragraph has a link to a report on the intelligence failure on the day of the beginning of the Israeli/Hamas war which is the subject. My comment at the end was how Biden's Ambiguity, aspirational Misperception, Deception, and Preconception might bring the same kind of disaster to us here at home on our border.

We should call this the Biden war on the West. He funded the Iranians who funded Hamas and the Houthis. Biden conveniently delisted the Houthis from the terror watch list in February of 2021 and now we reap the reward. Because Joe Biden is the real Manchurian Candidate.

Your post was about the US border. Whether you used October 7 to do so is irrelevant to this thread.

 

[ll74]

Fuck off, the article is about a fuck up, the first paragraph has a link to a report on the intelligence failure on the day of the beginning of the Israeli/Hamas war which is the subject. My comment at the end was how Biden's Ambiguity, aspirational Misperception, Deception, and Preconception might bring the same kind of disaster to us here at home on our border.

We should call this the Biden war on the West. He funded the Iranians who funded Hamas and the Houthis. Biden conveniently delisted the Houthis from the terror watch list in February of 2021 and now we reap the reward. Because Joe Biden is the real Manchurian Candidate.

Another reminder - the blame Biden thread is here -> https://forum.literotica.com/thread...er-israel-at-war.1596812/page-5#post-97666397


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[RobDownSouth]

Israel Military Reports It Was You, The Reader, Who Blew Up Hospital
Yes I know it's The Onion and a parody

 

[pocjet]

Construction workers whistling at women would be called out of not worse!

WESTERN FEMINISTS STRANGELY SILENT: ‘Screams Without Words’: How Hamas Weaponized Sexual Violence on Oct. 7: A Times investigation uncovered new details showing a pattern of rape, mutilation and extreme brutality against women in the attacks on Israel.

 

[ll74]

Construction workers whistling at women would be called out of not worse!

WESTERN FEMINISTS STRANGELY SILENT: ‘Screams Without Words’: How Hamas Weaponized Sexual Violence on Oct. 7: A Times investigation uncovered new details showing a pattern of rape, mutilation and extreme brutality against women in the attacks on Israel.

The President called out the violence of Oct 7. Did you miss it?

 

[pocjet]

The President called out the violence of Oct 7. Did you miss it?

Learn to comprehend, WESTERN FEMINISTS STRANGELY SILENT

 

[ll74]

Learn to comprehend, WESTERN FEMINISTS STRANGELY SILENT

Are they? Says who? Do you follow "western feminists" Twitter accounts?

Which specific feminists have failed to condemn the attacks?

 

[Chernosoth]

People who demand all of Israel be given to the Palestinians, Jews, or anyone else, can be the first to leave the US so we can give it back to the Native Americans.

Homelands are frequently lost, especially by nomadic tribes. And then there are the stateless people, such as the clans living and fishing on boats without citizenship anywhere.

 

[ll74]

Just throwing this out there, again for the participants - this thread is meant for information.

This is not an anti-Israel or anti-Hamas or anti-Palestinian or anti-Jew thread.

And you can be, any of the above......

The key is information. Provide it....add your opinion, but allow others to read your sources and decide for themselves.

And tbh - if you don't want to, then tell everyone why

 

[ll74]

And no, I don't give a shit why you don't provide sources.

The best way to convince someone of your position is to give them the resources you have and let their reasoning from that information convince them.

 

[ll74]

I've seen tweets that Hamas has rejected this deal, though it's not clear in this piece

The latest Israel-Hamas cease-fire proposal drops details of future governance of Gaza​

 

[RandyRebecca]

And no, I don't give a shit why you don't provide sources.

The best way to convince someone of your position is to give them the resources you have and let their reasoning from that information convince them.

I don't get why some people demand "sources". So my word isn't enough, but if somebody else says the same thing that I do then it's okay? That sounds like a cosy little club to me.

 

[ll74]

I don't get why some people demand "sources". So my word isn't enough, but if somebody else says the same thing that I do then it's okay? That sounds like a cosy little club to me.

Sources provide information. Your word is your opinion.

Hope this helps!

People who want to give their opinion and it let others read the information that led you to that opinion are cowards

 

[Chernosoth]

My source is personal experience plus everything I have seen on the internet for the past 10-15 years, including the internet becoming less informative as it becomes more corporate and controlled. That doesn't all fit in any link.

 

[ll74]

My source is personal experience plus everything I have seen on the internet for the past 10-15 years, including the internet becoming less informative as it becomes more corporate and controlled. That doesn't all fit in any link.

I didn't realize you were coming live to us from Gaza. Sounds dangerous.

But you bring up a few separate points which is also why I request/demand sources...... corroboration of information. If your source and my sources agree....the likelihood of it being correct are higher. (Unless the sources are copies of the same story, of course)

Two independent scientific studies arriving at the same conclusion is a good demonstration. It's the same with journalism. Providing your source allows the reader to corroborate and make their own reasoned conclusions. Those conclusions may differ, but at least they're arriving from the same origins.

And last point, you and I (or others) being able to read sources independently mean that our discussions can originate in the same place, with no one person having an advantage. It's also why education uses one textbook (or multiple same textbooks) for a class.

 

[ll74]

In the case of war, I'd say the other advantage of sources is that many times propaganda exists from combatants. Multiple, independent sources allow the best and most accurate view of the battlefield.

It also quickly weeds out misinformation, like when the NY times accused Israel of the hospital bombing prematurely

 

[Chernosoth]

One source that works in any war thread is Sun Tzu's The Art of War.

 

[Chobham]

3 out of 4 Houthi's isn't too bad. All 4 would have been better. Time to take it home to them.

 

[Rightguide]

Israel Military Reports It Was You, The Reader, Who Blew Up Hospital
Yes I know it's The Onion and a parody

The Onion?

 

[RobDownSouth]

The Onion?

Yes, favorite "news" source of your old pal Miles.

 

[RandyRebecca]

Sources provide information. Your word is your opinion.

Hope this helps!

People who want to give their opinion and it let others read the information that led you to that opinion are cowards

A source is somebody else's opinion, usually well paid for by billionaires to be "credible sources" and suppress dissenting opinions.

 

[ll74]

A source is somebody else's opinion, usually well paid for by billionaires to be "credible sources" and suppress dissenting opinions.

A source can be an opinion piece. It isnt always.

Either way, you not sharing yours means you don't want others to read it.