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video posted on x with claims IDF was shooting festival attendees on Oct.7th fact-checked as FALSE

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...p&cvid=455394f17cbd4521e0bc421db68555e2&ei=57
At least 260 people were killed by Hamas during the militant group’s surprise attacks at an outdoor music festival in Israel on Oct. 7. A video clip on social media falsely claims to show Israel Defense Forces helicopters firing on festival-goers that day. The clip is from a video of IDF aircraft shooting at Hamas militants a day later at sites in the Gaza Strip.
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“VIDEO PROVES and ISRAEL ADMITS it slaughtered its own people on Oct. 7th,” Peters falsely claims in the post on X, the platform formerly called Twitter. “Footage from Israeli helicopter shows the IDF killing many people at October 7 concert in Israel.”

Peters, a conservative radio host, also has spread misinformation about COVID-19 and other topics, as we’ve previously written.
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The Israeli Defense Force currently holds a 9:1 innocent civilians killed advantage, but one area of the war where Israel is absolutely annihilating the competition is their attack on journalists.

Historical perspective:
  • 63 journalists killed in Vietnam by both sides
  • 69 killed in World War II by all parties
  • 70 killed in Gaza by Israel alone
 
when/if hamas is driven out of Palestine; when a cessation in violence comes to pass; when discussions happen about a true 2-state future along with the rebuilding of obliterated areas, there HAS to be a move to release all the thousands of Palestinian prisoners not being held on violent crime charges as well as any remaining hostages held in Palestine.

how can there be any sense of moving forward if Israel is still holding onto so many Palestinians? I don't suggest the release of terrorists, or war criminals, but of all the 'regular' people caught up in the decades' long struggles.
 
butters said:
when/if hamas is driven out of Palestine; when a cessation in violence comes to pass; when discussions happen about a true 2-state future along with the rebuilding of obliterated areas, there HAS to be a move to release all the thousands of Palestinian prisoners not being held on violent crime charges as well as any remaining hostages held in Palestine.

how can there be any sense of moving forward if Israel is still holding onto so many Palestinians? I don't suggest the release of terrorists, or war criminals, but of all the 'regular' people caught up in the decades' long struggles.
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Agreed.
 
butters said:
when/if hamas is driven out of Palestine; when a cessation in violence comes to pass; when discussions happen about a true 2-state future along with the rebuilding of obliterated areas, there HAS to be a move to release all the thousands of Palestinian prisoners not being held on violent crime charges as well as any remaining hostages held in Palestine.

how can there be any sense of moving forward if Israel is still holding onto so many Palestinians? I don't suggest the release of terrorists, or war criminals, but of all the 'regular' people caught up in the decades' long struggles.
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Hamas is a pose, it’s a cloak for a militant Islamic gang to profit off the current situation.

It also empties the bins, keeps the lights on - sometimes, and is the law.

And, no different to a gang in LA or Johannesburg, it can look especially appealing to the young, male and lacking direction types who see it as “macho” and profitable.

And I guess, if you’ve been humiliated then bombed the shit out of, it can also look like the only way to resist.

The tactical military defeat of Hamas is one thing, but how do you drive out, or at least suppress, the Hamas mentality from the region is the real question here. It’s a lot harder than seizing weapons, destroying tunnels and offing numbers of their street fighters.
 
Hamas was supported by Netanyahu against Fatah. This is hardly a secret. This had two aims, i.e. division between Hamas and Fatah, and Hamas being Islamic fundamentalists instead of the largely secular Palestinian Liberation Organization, so adding a sectarian factor into the conflict.
 
butters said:
when/if hamas is driven out of Palestine; when a cessation in violence comes to pass; when discussions happen about a true 2-state future along with the rebuilding of obliterated areas, there HAS to be a move to release all the thousands of Palestinian prisoners not being held on violent crime charges as well as any remaining hostages held in Palestine.

how can there be any sense of moving forward if Israel is still holding onto so many Palestinians? I don't suggest the release of terrorists, or war criminals, but of all the 'regular' people caught up in the decades' long struggles.
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Who qualifies as “regular people” will be the tough part.

*nods*
 
Negotiators are working to extend the truce and swap of captives by each party. The international group is also said to be discussing post war expectations.

https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-war-news-11-29-2023-57e73a26c647ecd97e77afe19c08e077
Diaa Rashwan, head of Egypt’s state information services, said negotiations to extend the cease-fire and release more hostages have made progress and that it is “highly likely” another extension will be announced Wednesday. Egypt, along with Qatar and the U.S., played a key role in mediating the original cease-fire and a two-day extension announced Monday.
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I still think more pressure should be put on Hamas to surrender. All the pressure seems to be towards Israel even though they are releasing far more people.
 
cermin said:
Baby MURDERED by the people YOU PROTECT

Israel assessing Hamas claim that the youngest hostage and family members are no longer alive​

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What would you say if you found out that an Israeli bomb killed them?

Probably "as long as they took out the Palis".....right?
 
ll74 said:
What would you say if you found out that an Israeli bomb killed them?

Probably "as long as they took out the Palis".....right?
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Hamas already said they are dead caused by the bombing. I guess that absolves them of responsibility. Right?
 
This is why there cannot be a two-state agreement:

TIPSHEET

Hamas Had to Stop Palestinians From Murdering Hostages on Their Way Out of Gaza​

https://media.townhall.com/cdn/hodl/authorimages/5f039149-5c4c-48cd-adc1-6a5502bd9435.png
Katie Pavlich | November 28, 2023 2:45 PM

A fifth round of hostages were released by Hamas in the Gaza Strip Tuesday on day five of an extended, six day ceasefire. Twelve people were released, none of them were Americans.

But before they gained their freedom after being held for more than 50 days by the Iranian backed terror group, hostages were confronted by Palestinian civilians who shouted "Allahu Alkbar" and blocked Red Cross vehicles from quickly exiting. According to local reporting, the Egyptians had to essentially rescue the hostages as they were being harassed and threatened with death.

Meanwhile, recent polling from the Arab World for Research & Development shows the vast majority of Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank approve of the October 7 massacre of more than 1400 Israeli civilians in their homes, at a music festival, in bomb shelters and elsewhere.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1725348796857717216

More here: https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katie...ans-block-hostages-from-exiting-gaza-n2631729
 
Someone tossed a Molotov cocktail at the IDF in the West Bank today. It fell about 10 yards short. No one was injured. IDF's response? Open fire on the crowd killing an 8 yr old child. Now...tell me genocide lovers...how often does an 8 yr old child's arm have the strength to throw a Molotov cocktail the distance a man can?

What could they have done since they were not in danger? Water. Tear gas. Rubber bullets. Ignore it...dropped their pants and piss in the direction of the fire to put it out. But no...like always...the IDF doesn't care about human life.
 
Dribble said:
Someone tossed a Molotov cocktail at the IDF in the West Bank today. It fell about 10 yards short. No one was injured. IDF's response? Open fire on the crowd killing an 8 yr old child. Now...tell me genocide lovers...how often does an 8 yr old child's arm have the strength to throw a Molotov cocktail the distance a man can?

What could they have done since they were not in danger? Water. Tear gas. Rubber bullets. Ignore it...dropped their pants and piss in the direction of the fire to put it out. But no...like always...the IDF doesn't care about human life.
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Source.
 
Rightguide said:
This is why there cannot be a two-state agreement:

TIPSHEET

Hamas Had to Stop Palestinians From Murdering Hostages on Their Way Out of Gaza​

https://media.townhall.com/cdn/hodl/authorimages/5f039149-5c4c-48cd-adc1-6a5502bd9435.png
Katie Pavlich | November 28, 2023 2:45 PM

A fifth round of hostages were released by Hamas in the Gaza Strip Tuesday on day five of an extended, six day ceasefire. Twelve people were released, none of them were Americans.

But before they gained their freedom after being held for more than 50 days by the Iranian backed terror group, hostages were confronted by Palestinian civilians who shouted "Allahu Alkbar" and blocked Red Cross vehicles from quickly exiting. According to local reporting, the Egyptians had to essentially rescue the hostages as they were being harassed and threatened with death.

Meanwhile, recent polling from the Arab World for Research & Development shows the vast majority of Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank approve of the October 7 massacre of more than 1400 Israeli civilians in their homes, at a music festival, in bomb shelters and elsewhere.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1725348796857717216

More here: https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katie...ans-block-hostages-from-exiting-gaza-n2631729
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tell us about innocent civilians
 
Dribble said:
Someone tossed a Molotov cocktail at the IDF in the West Bank today. It fell about 10 yards short. No one was injured. IDF's response? Open fire on the crowd killing an 8 yr old child. Now...tell me genocide lovers...how often does an 8 yr old child's arm have the strength to throw a Molotov cocktail the distance a man can?

What could they have done since they were not in danger? Water. Tear gas. Rubber bullets. Ignore it...dropped their pants and piss in the direction of the fire to put it out. But no...like always...the IDF doesn't care about human life.
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so a deadly weapon was used, that it fell short doesnt negate the possible DEADLIER weapons to be used

moral of the story?

dont throw BOMBS at soldiers and dont be shot

simple!
 
Rightguide said:
This is why there cannot be a two-state agreement:

TIPSHEET

Hamas Had to Stop Palestinians From Murdering Hostages on Their Way Out of Gaza​

https://media.townhall.com/cdn/hodl/authorimages/5f039149-5c4c-48cd-adc1-6a5502bd9435.png
Katie Pavlich | November 28, 2023 2:45 PM

A fifth round of hostages were released by Hamas in the Gaza Strip Tuesday on day five of an extended, six day ceasefire. Twelve people were released, none of them were Americans.

But before they gained their freedom after being held for more than 50 days by the Iranian backed terror group, hostages were confronted by Palestinian civilians who shouted "Allahu Alkbar" and blocked Red Cross vehicles from quickly exiting. According to local reporting, the Egyptians had to essentially rescue the hostages as they were being harassed and threatened with death.

Meanwhile, recent polling from the Arab World for Research & Development shows the vast majority of Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank approve of the October 7 massacre of more than 1400 Israeli civilians in their homes, at a music festival, in bomb shelters and elsewhere.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1725348796857717216

More here: https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katie...ans-block-hostages-from-exiting-gaza-n2631729
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A two state solution is possible if the right leaders were in charge.

Your views of Palestinians are irrelevant.
 
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