"AI" Rejection

[alohadave]

Multiple spaces between words are anomalies that humans don't often use.

That depends on when you learned to type. Pre-computer, the rule was two spaces after a period. Even though the APA (IIRC) style guide is to use one space after a period, there are plenty of us that have it as a deeply ingrained habit.

All my sentences have two spaces, but because HTML renders out extra whitespace, it displays as a single space.

 

[MillieDynamite]

I said between words, one guy, if you remember, posted something with lots of double spaces in between words. It was the guys that got dinged on AI.

That depends on when you learned to type. Pre-computer, the rule was two spaces after a period. Even though the APA (IIRC) style guide is to use one space after a period, there are plenty of us that have it as a deeply ingrained habit.

All my sentences have two spaces, but because HTML renders out extra whitespace, it displays as a single space.

 

[djrip]

I said between words, one guy, if you remember, posted something with lots of double spaces in between words. It was the guys that got dinged on AI.

AI should be more consistent about following standards and rules like that than humans though.

 

[MillieDynamite]

But apparently it isn't.

 

[djrip]

But apparently it isn't.

We have seen no evidence that AI ever includes extra spaces. We have seen one post worth of evidence that some AI detectors think extra spaces are a sign of AI writing, but to me that makes no sense because AI follows grammar rules exactly.

 

[SoCalAshley]

While this discussion on whether AI is “consistent about following standards” is interesting, the original concern of this post, that hand-crafted work is being flagged as AI, has not been addressed by the owners of this site. I agree with the original post that this is disconcerting and we, as writers, should be annoyed.

 

[Bramblethorn]

While this discussion on whether AI is “consistent about following standards” is interesting, the original concern of this post, that hand-crafted work is being flagged as AI, has not been addressed by the owners of this site. I agree with the original post that this is disconcerting and we, as writers, should be annoyed.

FWIW, I messaged Laurel to let her know about this thread and suggested that it'd be good if she could provide some info here. I guess we'll see.

 

[OverconfidentSarcasm]

But apparently it isn't.

ONE user found ONE AI detector to consider multiple spaces as something that looks like ChatGPT, and even admitted in the same post that all the other detectors they tried didn't bat an eye at it.

So, how does this say anything about how this is "apparently" something AI text generators do?

 

[FieryLion]

I tried way over 20 text snippets, some older and some I generated fresh just for the check, created by ChatGPT 4 and none was recognized as AI content. And I just used a typical "You are a writer" prompt.

This is because ChatGPT4 is actually run by child labor in developing countries and not actually AI, you know how research shows Western adults are dumber than third graders? /s

 

[Beholders_Eye]

It would be interesting to know what AI detector is used by the Literotica staff.

 

[MillieDynamite]

Well, I ran the one with double spaces through one checker, and it kicked as AI, like a 32% probability a human wrote it. When I removed the double spaces, it went to 95% probability written by a human. I don't what all it looks for, but the double spaces between words (not after periods) seemed to be one aspect.

ONE user found ONE AI detector to consider multiple spaces as something that looks like ChatGPT, and even admitted in the same post that all the other detectors they tried didn't bat an eye at it.

So, how does this say anything about how this is "apparently" something AI text generators do?

 

[djrip]

Well, I ran the one with double spaces through one checker, and it kicked as AI, like a 32% probability a human wrote it. When I removed the double spaces, it went to 95% probability written by a human. I don't what all it looks for, but the double spaces between words (not after periods) seemed to be one aspect.

Yes, the detector seems to respond to the spaces. But that doesn't mean spaces are actually a good indicator of AI. I've never seen double spaces or any other grammatical errors in chatGPT text. The detectors don't work which is why there are unfortunately so many false positives.

 

[MillieDynamite]

I don't believe there is any good indicator of AI. To ask a flawed AI to predict if another flawed AI wrote something is insane.

Yes, the detector seems to respond to the spaces. But that doesn't mean spaces are actually a good indicator of AI. I've never seen double spaces or any other grammatical errors in chatGPT text. The detectors don't work which is why there are unfortunately so many false positives.

 

[theWollstonecraftWoman]

I see the AI debate still rages on.

 

[theWollstonecraftWoman]

Story went up a few hours ago. Let's see if it stays up. And let's see how long it takes me to get back in the mood to write stuff for LIT again.

AI computing odds, 90 10 in your favor... (human says, maybe, maybe not)

 

[u1u1u1]

I said between words, one guy, if you remember, posted something with lots of double spaces in between words. It was the guys that got dinged on AI.

To be clear, they weren't between words, they were at the end of paragraphs.

Got rejected again. This time there was a more custom message asking if I was sure I hadn't used a grammar suggestion engine. I use LanguageTool and have said as much.

I've written a poem about this experience, "I'm Sorry". It's very short and could probably be a lot better with some work, but I think there's some wit there all the same.

 

[MillieDynamite]

@u1u1u1, I don't know about your work. But they sure were there in one I checked that was posted in another thread. However, there were double spaces between individual words. They don't show up here because the system hides the extra space, but past them into another text window, and they are glaringly there.

If you copy the line with the words, double spaces, in it above and paste them into another text-entry window, you will see what I mean.

 

[ElectricBlue]

Reached out to Laurel through PM to try to get some help, but I hate how it either comes to this or heavily editing a chapter that I really enjoyed writing. If I don't get an answer, I don't know what to do next.

Huh? If you know heavy editing will resolve your problem, is that a tacit admission you did use AI, or an acknowledgement that your style is very like AI content? if that's the case, you might want to look more closely at your style, and lift it up a notch. There must be something you're doing that's triggering detectors.

 

[theWollstonecraftWoman]

@u1u1u1, I don't know about your work. But they sure were there in one I checked that was posted in another thread. However, there were double spaces between individual words. They don't show up here because the system hides the extra space, but past them into another text window, and they are glaringly there.

If you copy the line with the words, double spaces, in it above and paste them into another text-entry window, you will see what I mean.

You said past, not paste. LOL

 

[u1u1u1]

I don't want to have to change the style of my writing because some AI system can't tell the difference. I've never used AI, have the editing on Google Docs to prove it, and just use some grammar checkers for minor issues - although that in itself seems to be the issue which is absolute insanity. For it to be suggested that I use AI is an insult despite the numerous insistences to the contrary.

Well said. I do have sympathy with Laurel... quite a bit less with those who say "just stop writing badly lol".

 

[MillieDynamite]

AI doesn't necessarily write badly. It overwrites some parts (to get the money for the words created). It makes strange turns in the story. Drops a new character into the story with an explanation of who they are or why they are there. It uses words that don't quite fit what's being said, strange words for the rest of the writing. Has an abundance of passive sentences. There are other tells, but those are the ones I think systems use to identify it. If there are several short sentences in a row, detectors go crazy as they do if there is more than one space between words.

Wooden sentences get flagged, but we all use short sentences that are quite simple, so that's a crappy way to identify. Long, complicated sentences can also give a false positive.

Well said. I do have sympathy with Laurel... quite a bit less with those who say "just stop writing badly lol".

 

[ElectricBlue]

I don't want to have to change the style of my writing because some AI system can't tell the difference. I've never used AI, have the editing on Google Docs to prove it, and just use some grammar checkers for minor issues - although that in itself seems to be the issue which is absolute insanity. For it to be suggested that I use AI is an insult despite the numerous insistences to the contrary.

Four rejections though - you've got to do something, surely, if you want your work to get published?

 

[lovecraft68]

So what does lit use to determine if something is AI?

Seeing a lot of unfair rejections and its concerning because this is a site that is famous for inconsistent enforcing of rules that should be straightforward, and something like this being more difficult doesn't inspire confidence in me that they can get it right

 

[MillieDynamite]

Go to one of the AI detector sites posted in this forum, copy and paste, 2500 characters at a time, and check what it says. Then you'll see what it flags as AI.

I'm counting editing as a last, last resort if I don't hear back from Laurel or the story gets rejected again. The question will be what I need to change so it no longer flags up as Generative AI since I don't actually know what section of the story could be causing those problems.

 

[MillieDynamite]

You should take it as it ain't getting posted until you get that green. Looks to be written by a Human at the top.

AI Detector This is the one my editor uses sometimes, not on mine, but on a person who uses AI.

I just did that and 70% of the sentences were flagged which is mind-blowing to me. I'm not sure if I should take it as a compliment, or be offended