Israel/Hamas PB Tribal Fight

[Chobham]

Seems as if you've decided to change the subject. <shrug>

No matter, Bibi will be gone after the war is over. That's the punishment for the intelligence failure. However that isn't going to make a damn bit of difference with regards to what's going to happen to the so called Palestinians in the Gaza. Their fate is sealed.

 

[ll74]

Seems as if you've decided to change the subject. <shrug>

No matter, Bibi will be gone after the war is over. That's the punishment for the intelligence failure. However that isn't going to make a damn bit of difference with regards to what's going to happen to the so called Palestinians in the Gaza. Their fate is sealed.

I've not changed the subject.

It's part of the conflict more then ever.

If you cannot accept that Palestinians exist or have a right to exist, you just continue in your bias. (Just as much as those who cannot afford Israelis the same consideration)

 

[Chobham]

They abrogated their right to existence as an independent political entity when they decided that the elimination of Israel and the extermination of the Jews was their priority.

 

[Dribble]

I am not saying Hamas doesn't use existing structures to their advantage...but don't you just love that new video released by the IDF showing footprints...but the guy pointing out the footprints leaves no footprints? Must be those special Jewish shoes. Then we can look at the tread of those footprints. Pretty obvious what kind of shoes made those footprints. Why no scuff marks? Such...pretty footprints. Organized. Almost...looks staged. But surely not right?

 

[Fuzzy1975]

They abrogated their right to existence as an independent political entity when they decided that the elimination of Israel and the extermination of the Jews was their priority.

And when exactly did the Palestinians do that? hmmm?

 

[ll74]

They abrogated their right to existence as an independent political entity when they decided that the elimination of Israel and the extermination of the Jews was their priority.

That is Hamas and Hezbollah and Iran. That is not all Palestinians. A 2020 poll shows 40% of Gazans want peace with Israel. https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/what-do-palestinians-want

But sure...it's easier to just decide that they have no right to exist and that they are all the same. Intellectually superb take there.

You are just one side of the same bullshit about the conflict which is to be lazy and defeated.

 

[CenSore]

That is Hamas and Hezbollah and Iran. That is not all Palestinians. A 2020 poll shows 40% of Gazans want peace with Israel. https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/what-do-palestinians-want

But sure...it's easier to just decide that they have no right to exist and that they are all the same. Intellectually superb take there.

You are just one side of the same bullshit about the conflict which is to be lazy and defeated.

and 60% want DEAD JEWS

 

[ll74]

and 60% want DEAD JEWS

Actually, that wouldn't be true based on the poll. But again, simple minded fools are simple minded.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Actually, that wouldn't be true based on the poll. But again, simple minded fools are simple minded.

You ignore didn't even last 12 hrs.......go figure...*chuckles*

 

[ll74]

You ignore didn't even last 12 hrs.......go figure...*chuckles*

He probably just ignored me under a different alt. When you have 5 or 6 logins, it's difficult to keep up.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

He probably just ignored me under a different alt. When you have 5 or 6 logins, it's difficult to keep up.

Possible, but then again he lies so much, maybe he lied that he was...

 

[ll74]

With the way this thread is going, I'd like to poll those interested. If you decide to participate, could you be considerate enough to only provide simple answers....don't elaborate.

1. Do you support peace and safety for Palestinians?
2. Do you support peace and safety for Israelis?
3. Do you support a two state solution?
4. Do you support a one state solution?

That's it. Thanks in advance.

 

[Chobham]

That is Hamas and Hezbollah and Iran. That is not all Palestinians. A 2020 poll shows 40% of Gazans want peace with Israel. https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/what-do-palestinians-want

But sure...it's easier to just decide that they have no right to exist and that they are all the same. Intellectually superb take there.

You are just one side of the same bullshit about the conflict which is to be lazy and defeated.

You keep making the same argument. Let's deal in some facts.

#1. There may be a goodly number of so called Palestinians that are unhappy with Hamas, that does NOT mean they don't want the Jews dead and gone.

#2. They voted Hamas in fully knowing the charter that they were running on. It makes no difference that Hamas became dictatorial power in the end.

#3. If 40% want peace with Israel that only means the 60% have to be eliminated. That 60% have shown no hesitancy in dominating and killing any of the 40% that want peace.

#4. The 500lb gorilla in the corner is Iran. Iran has to be dealt with and dealt with severely. That means that the sanctions HAVE to be enforced. I don't propose and armed conflict with Iran unless they force the issue, I DO propose that they be economically bled dry.

 

[CenSore]

With the way this thread is going, I'd like to poll those interested. If you decide to participate, could you be considerate enough to only provide simple answers....don't elaborate.

1. Do you support peace and safety for Palestinians?
2. Do you support peace and safety for Israelis?
3. Do you support a two state solution?
4. Do you support a one state solution?

That's it. Thanks in advance.

Define peace from the Pali pov

 

[ll74]

You keep making the same argument. Let's deal in some facts.

#1. There may be a goodly number of so called Palestinians that are unhappy with Hamas, that does NOT mean they don't want the Jews dead and gone.

Nor does it mean they do.

#2. They voted Hamas in fully knowing the charter that they were running on. It makes no difference that Hamas became dictatorial power in the end.

In 2006, by a slim margin. Do you support the same candidates you did in 2006?

#3. If 40% want peace with Israel that only means the 60% have to be eliminated. That 60% have shown no hesitancy in dominating and killing any of the 40% that want peace.

Your approach to changing peoples' minds is frightening.

#4. The 500lb gorilla in the corner is Iran. Iran has to be dealt with and dealt with severely. That means that the sanctions HAVE to be enforced. I don't propose and armed conflict with Iran unless they force the issue, I DO propose that they be economically bled dry.

Sounds actually like you'd prefer we destroy them militarily from existence, but I may just be reading into things.

 

[ll74]

Define peace from the Pali pov

Peace and safety is self explanatory.

 

[CenSore]

Peace and safety is self explanatory.

No it isn't

Peace to.one side is the elimination of one side and complete obedience from infidels

They tell you that

So don't pretend ypu don't know

 

[ll74]

No it isn't

Peace to.one side is the elimination of on

Thanks for your lazy and ignorant answer.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

With the way this thread is going, I'd like to poll those interested. If you decide to participate, could you be considerate enough to only provide simple answers....don't elaborate.

1. Do you support peace and safety for Palestinians? YES
2. Do you support peace and safety for Israelis? YES
3. Do you support a two state solution? NO
4. Do you support a one state solution? NO

That's it. Thanks in advance.

 

[Dribble]

With the way this thread is going, I'd like to poll those interested. If you decide to participate, could you be considerate enough to only provide simple answers....don't elaborate.

1. Do you support peace and safety for Palestinians?
2. Do you support peace and safety for Israelis?
3. Do you support a two state solution?
4. Do you support a one state solution?

That's it. Thanks in advance.

Yes
Yes
3&4...I don't know to be honest. I have leaned both directions at times. What I can say...we have never had a 2 state solution tried...but we have had a 1 state solution tried and that has failed.

It is my belief...solely based on what I see...i believe Israel only wants a no-state solution. Their goal...is to force Palestinians to leave Gaza. As it always has been. They do not believe a Palestinian life has the same value as an Israeli life. Kinda like how certain Americans view races here.

What I do know...with 100% certainty...the path Israel has taken will not make them safer...and any Country supplying arms to Israel...will be viewed as just as guilty as the Israelis.

If the lives of the hostages was truly valued...and not considered an excuse to murder innocents...any truly civilized country would explore all options to gain their release. Sucks...knowing their lives don't matter.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

With the way this thread is going, I'd like to poll those interested. If you decide to participate, could you be considerate enough to only provide simple answers....don't elaborate.

1. Do you support peace and safety for Palestinians?
2. Do you support peace and safety for Israelis?
3. Do you support a two state solution?
4. Do you support a one state solution?

That's it. Thanks in advance.

1. Yes
2. Yes
3. Yes
4. No

 

[Dribble]

Over 100 UN aide workers have been murdered by the indiscriminate attacks of the IDF. More than any other conflict in the entire 78 year history of the UN. A truly civilized people would find this embarrassing...but not the American and Israeli Governments

 

[Dribble]

Doesn't your heart bleed when they say..."there was a woman hostage tied to this chair...you can see the footprints from her shoes. We will test the ropes for her DNA." Then you remember where most of the hostages were taken from. Perfect shoes for an all night dance party huh?

 

[ll74]

Doesn't your heart bleed when they say..."there was a woman hostage tied to this chair...you can see the footprints from her shoes. We will test the ropes for her DNA." Then you remember where most of the hostages were taken from. Perfect shoes for an all night dance party huh?

Wtf are you talking about?

 

[CenSore]

Apartheid State


Druze commander of COGAT addresses people of Gaza - Israel News - The Jerusalem Post

https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-773228