Gun Violence Is Actually Worse in Red States. It’s Not Even Close

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https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/04/23/surprising-geography-of-gun-violence-00092413

Listen to the southern right talk about violence in America and you’d think New York City was as dangerous
as Bakhmut on Ukraine’s eastern front.

In October, Florida’s Republican governor Ron DeSantis proclaimed crime in New York City was “out of control” and blamed it on George Soros.
Another Sunshine State politico, former president Donald Trump, offered his native city up as a Democrat-run dystopia, one of those places
“where the middle class used to flock to live the American dream are now war zones, literal war zones.” In May 2022, hours after 19 children
were murdered at Robb Elementary in Uvalde, Texas, Republican Gov. Greg Abbott swatted back suggestions that the state
could save lives by implementing tougher gun laws by proclaiming “Chicago and L.A. and New York disprove that thesis.”

In reality, the region the Big Apple comprises most of is far and away the safest part of the U.S. mainland when it comes to gun violence,
while the regions Florida and Texas belong to have per capita firearm death rates (homicides and suicides) three to four times higher than New York’s.
On a regional basis it’s the southern swath of the country — in cities and rural areas alike — where the rate of deadly gun violence is most acute,
regions where Republicans have dominated state governments for decades.

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If you grew up in the coal mining region of eastern Pennsylvania your chance of dying of a gunshot is about half that
if you grew up in the coalfields of West Virginia, three hundred miles to the southwest. Someone living in the most rural counties of
South Carolina is more than three times as likely to be killed by gunshot than someone living in the equally rural counties of
New York’s Adirondacks or the impoverished rural counties facing Mexico across the lower reaches of the Rio Grande.

The reasons for these disparities go beyond modern policy differences and extend back to events that predate not only the
American party system but the advent of shotguns, revolvers, ammunition cartridges, breach-loaded rifles and the American republic itself.
The geography of gun violence — and public and elite ideas about how it should be addressed — is the result of differences at once regional,
cultural and historical. Once you understand how the country was colonized — and by whom — a number of insights into the problem are revealed.



To do so you need to more accurately delineate America’s regional cultures. Forget the U.S. Census divisions, which arbitrarily divide the country into a Northeast, Midwest, South and West using often meaningless state boundaries and a willful ignorance of history. The reason the U.S. has strong regional differences is because our swath of the North American continent was settled by rival colonial projects that had very little in common, often despised one another and spread without regard for today’s state boundaries.
 
The problem is, that given any dataset, either valid or invalid, I can parse the numbers to justify whatever my handlers are willing to pay for.

It comes down to the old saw, "figures lie, and liars figure".

Take Tucson, a mid-size city (1 million). Very diverse and a good place to live. Very little racial B/S, because it has that diverse population. It has a high gun violence/murder rate. Why? 90% of the murders in Tucson are gang related, as in every major city. Gangs do not care about red/blue/purple.

So get off your high horse and quit regurgitating your favorite talking head's bloviating.

Even the so called mass shootings are generally copy-cat episodes due to the media obsessing hour after hour over them, and some sick individual want their fifteen minutes of fame.
 
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The gun violence is so bad down there our government warns travellers to be cautious when crossing the border. And we're not alone, many other countries issue the same warning to their citizens travelling to the US. Red, blue who tf cares when you've had over 200 mass shootings in the first 5 months of 2023.

The Government of Canada’s travel information page reminds travellers to be cautious and take security precautions when visiting down south, while pointing in particular to the common nature of gun violence in America.
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/canada-travel-advisory-united-states-mass-shootings-120018574.html
 
floriduh: 60-y.o man (old enough to know way better) gets pissed at someone (a 51-y.o friend of a neighbour) who briefly backed into vetsch's driveway to make a u-turn, comes out with gun, hits, car, threatens driver even though he wasn't on the property at the time... gets arrested
he tried to tell the cops he thought it was a neighbour he'd argued with before but got arrested anyway. What is it with these dicks that feel they need a gun to threaten others just because they get a bit annoyed?
The deputy arrested Vetsch for Aggravated Assault with a Deadly Weapon Without Intent to Kill.

He was taken into custody and is currently being held at the Flagler County Inmate Facility on a $50,000 bond with his next court appearance scheduled for July 10, meanwhile the victim obtained a restraining order against him.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crim...1&cvid=83b4c81d4d5c4fbadac01e6a6d9f1292&ei=28
 
If I'm making a U Turn using a driveway, I'm in and out in a few seconds, not long enough for someone to realize I'm there and run out from the house or yard. Though I suppose, if there was traffic ....
 
The problem is, that given any dataset, either valid or invalid, I can parse the numbers to justify whatever my handlers are willing to pay for.

It comes down to the old saw, "figures lie, and liars figure".

Take Tucson, a mid-size city (1 million). Very diverse and a good place to live. Very little racial B/S, because it has that diverse population. It has a high gun violence/murder rate. Why? 90% of the murders in Tucson are gang related, as in every major city. Gangs do not care about red/blue/purple.

So get off your high horse and quit regurgitating your favorite talking head's bloviating.

Even the so called mass shootings are generally copy-cat episodes due to the media obsessing hour after hour over them, and some sick individual want their fifteen minutes of fame.
I'll have to call bullshit on your first statement. Simply parsing the data would not lead you to a predetermined outcome. If the one doing it is dishonest, data can be manipulated to say many things and come out with a predetermined conclusion. When that is done, most times it can be easily discovered with a little research and work.

As far as the gangs killing each other, does it really matter WHO is pulling the trigger and WHO is getting killed? Murder is murder no matter what red/blue/purple or "bad guy" banner you put on them. And since it is a firearms death it still needs to be counted. Why? See "manipulating the data" above.

And I tend to agree with your last statement, however, why do those mass killings tend to happen a lot more often in states with lax laws? It couldn't be because it's easy for the crazies to get their hands on a gun would it?

Comshaw
 
If I'm making a U Turn using a driveway, I'm in and out in a few seconds, not long enough for someone to realize I'm there and run out from the house or yard. Though I suppose, if there was traffic ....
the gun guy was 'monitoring' his security cam... sounds like he was just hoping for something, someone to show up
 
The southern border states are the frontline of the Mexican cartels gaining power in the US. They may eventually become the de facto government there as the US government loses power. So there will be plenty more shootings there.
 
The gun violence is so bad down there our government warns travellers to be cautious when crossing the border. And we're not alone, many other countries issue the same warning to their citizens travelling to the US. Red, blue who tf cares when you've had over 200 mass shootings in the first 5 months of 2023.

The Government of Canada’s travel information page reminds travellers to be cautious and take security precautions when visiting down south, while pointing in particular to the common nature of gun violence in America.
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/canada-travel-advisory-united-states-mass-shootings-120018574.html
Stay home in canaduh then.

65 years old and have NEVER even had a gun pointed at me, or a knife, or even some moron wielding a walking stick come after me. But that does not mean that the potential does not exist. That is exactly why I am armed the vast majority of the time when I go out. It doesn't matter one bit to me what you think about it.
 
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65 years old and have NEVER even had a gun pointed at me, or a knife, or even some moron wielding a walking stick come after me. But that does not mean that the potential does not exist. That is exactly why I am armed the vast majority of the time when I go out.


And you think a gun is an equal and apt response to someone wielding a walking stick. 🙄

You're the chickenshit poster-child Deplorable reasonable people point to when it comes to lobbying for stricter gun regulations. Thanks for making our case for us - in brilliant fashion.
 
And you think a gun is an equal and apt response to someone wielding a walking stick. 🙄

You're the chickenshit poster-child Deplorable reasonable people point to when it comes to lobbying for stricter gun regulations. Thanks for making our case for us - in brilliant fashion.
So which is it? Does he carry or not?
I don't live in fear at all. Honestly,lately I rarely carry a gun because I can't have it on at work and I don't believe it is safe to lock it in my car.

So nice try, but once again you are as wrong as wrong can be.

Stay home in canaduh then.

65 years old and have NEVER even had a gun pointed at me, or a knife, or even some moron wielding a walking stick come after me. But that does not mean that the potential does not exist. That is exactly why I am armed the vast majority of the time when I go out. It doesn't matter one bit to me what you think about it.
 
Stay home in canaduh then.

65 years old and have NEVER even had a gun pointed at me, or a knife, or even some moron wielding a walking stick come after me. But that does not mean that the potential does not exist. That is exactly why I am armed the vast majority of the time when I go out. It doesn't matter one bit to me what you think about it.
I can't imagine living in such a state of perpetual fear as you do.
 
I can't imagine living in such a state of perpetual fear as you do.
I am not fearful at all because I am prepared and situationally aware. I do my best to avoid situations where there may be trouble brewing and I will remove myself before the shit hits the fan if possible. That is smart tactics.

Do you own a fire extinguisher? Why? Do you live in perpetual fear of your house burning down? That has to be a horrible way to live. I have a couple fire extinguishers in my home too, not out of fear but because I am prepared. I live 20 minutes from the closest fire station and if I am not prepared odds are I will lose my home.
 
You all need to give trailer boy a break...since he gave up Bud Lite...because he was already gay enough...didn't need to be more gay....he hasn't found a decent replacement
 
I am not fearful at all because I am prepared and situationally aware. I do my best to avoid situations where there may be trouble brewing and I will remove myself before the shit hits the fan if possible. That is smart tactics.

Do you own a fire extinguisher? Why? Do you live in perpetual fear of your house burning down? That has to be a horrible way to live. I have a couple fire extinguishers in my home too, not out of fear but because I am prepared. I live 20 minutes from the closest fire station and if I am not prepared odds are I will lose my home.
To make your analogy work, I would have to carry around a fire extinguisher wherever I went because i was afraid of a fire breaking out.

I live in NYC and have never needed a weapon of any kind.
 
To make your analogy work, I would have to carry around a fire extinguisher wherever I went because i was afraid of a fire breaking out.

I live in NYC and have never needed a weapon of any kind.
Hammer! Don't hurt him!
 
You all need to give trailer boy a break...since he gave up Bud Lite...because he was already gay enough...didn't need to be more gay....he hasn't found a decent replacement
Thanks for admitting you are losing. Back to the homophobic slander again.

Folks it's silly to keep bringing this up. I have admitted multiple times that I placed ads on the LGBTQIA+ personals page because I am bi-curious. The only time it comes up here is when someone realizes that I am kicking their ass so they divert to this again and again and again. Sad really that adults have to pretend this is effective. In a way they believe it is essentially internet blackmail and I will slink away. Sorry no. I will not bow to your homophobic, bigoted behavior.
 
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