Call me Daddy

[Jay142]

I'm writing a story about a younger woman having sex with an older man. I'm considering having him ask her to call him Daddy while having sex. Will that turn off a lot of readers? I'm not into actual father/daughter incest stories so it seems like it might appeal to a narrow audience. I don't want to turn off readers either seeing it doesn't matter that much to the actual story. I'm looking for thoughts from other authors.

 

[Bamagan]

I'm writing a story about a younger woman having sex with an older man. I'm considering having him ask her to call him Daddy while having sex. Will that turn off a lot of readers? I'm not into actual father/daughter incest stories so it seems like it might appeal to a narrow audience. I don't want to turn off readers either seeing it doesn't matter that much to the actual story. I'm looking for thoughts from other authors.

It probably depends on which category you put it in, and whether it is the focal point of their sex life or clearly just a game they're playing in a particular scene. The more prominent it is, the more you might want to lean toward, say, Fetish, Mature, or Erotic Couplings and away from Romance (although it could fly there, certainly).
Oh, and probably not a great fit for Lesbian, either.

 

[Euphony]

It will turn off the ones who hate it and send those who fetishize it into overdrive.

Write the story where your creativities mesh with the audience best suited for it.

You can't write for everyone. We can only hypothesize at what drives scores, there's no plug in formula.

Readers generally appreciate better written stories and you tend to write your best when you are following your own creativities, not writing to a particular crowd.

 

[Rustyoznail]

Personally it would put me off, but after my - umm, research, there's definitely a large market for that. Go for it.

 

[Euphony]

it doesn't matter that much to the actual story.

Why include it then? Doesn't matter if it's long weather descriptions or deep backgrounding on an MC personal hobbies, if it doesn't have a supported reason for being there, cut it the same like you should anything else.

Honestly, half-measures are deadlier than full committing to a fetish or not including it, even if it's rather common in category (so, like you said, "Daddy" talk in incest or maybe Mature pairings)

Imagine your readers. If they're Daddy fetishists, they'll feel cockteased. If they're not, maybe the damage is limited to an eye roll but you've used up some of your buffer you might benefit from having elsewhere.

 

[KeithD]

Will that turn off a lot of readers? I'm not into actual father/daughter incest stories so it seems like it might appeal to a narrow audience. I don't

It will turn off 367 readers.

But seriously, there are too many readers with too disparate likes and dislikes to either answer this question in any meaningful way or, frankly, to care about what the answer might be. There are enough readers who will like whatever combinations you include for you to have taken the trouble to writing and submitting the story.

 

[alohadave]

It will turn off the ones who hate it and send those who fetishize it into overdrive.

The best answer to many questions here.

 

[AchtungNight]

“Daddy” doesn’t necessarily have to mean Father. It can mean sugar daddy, dear one, spiritual adviser… if it’s not that important, just find another term that makes the relationship special for the characters. “Babe”, perhaps. Or “darling”. Maybe “Hero”, to quote a similar term from my ficverse. If you don’t like your first pick for the word, choose another. Use languages other than English if necessary. Amore, Koi, Upendo… they all mean “love”. Choose the word that means the same thing that gives you the most comfort. Hopefully it will do the same for your fans.

 

[Jmanchu]

I think it depends. If you ask me, I personally value naturalness and fluidity to characters and their portrayal more than if they follow exactly my "kinks" or stray from them. It's more about her(the FMC character) and what she wants, and how she views her partner, not what readers want. Don't write what readers want, is my advice. If she likes calling her older male partner, a guy that takes care of her, "Daddy" as a term of endearment because he makes her feel that way then don't stray from that just because some readers might not like something. You can't please everyone, and being safe means you just please less people more often than not for the sake of turning off or offending less people.


The right readers that'll appreciate it if it's an enjoyable read will come and find it if that's what is important.

 

[RejectReality]

Him initiating it won't do as well as her initiating it. It's the standard "creepy old man" double standard that plays out any time you have an older man and a younger woman. You'll get more negative comments, lower scores, etc. when he's the one driving, rather than being along for the ride.

It also depends upon whether it's going to push into role-play, or whether it's just a replacement for a name in exclamations. If it's just calling him 'daddy', then that's not going to cause as much uproar as her acting out the part in any other way.

I've had former step stories where the marriage was brief, is over, and the relationship with the step daughter was declared as minimal. ( already late teens during the marriage ) No "daddy" talk whatsoever, and some people were still creeped out by it. Anything that has shades of incest is going to give people the heebie-jeebies outside of that category.

That being said, those tend to get read more than those with no previous ( however tenuous ) familial relationship.

I also recently had a step daughter/step father story perform surprisingly well in Incest where such tangential familial relationships tend to hurt a story. It leaned heavily into "daddy" talk during the sex, and I do believe that was a driving factor in it outperforming expectations.

There's absolutely an audience for it. You just have to be prepared to suffer some slings and arrows from those whose skin crawls when they read it.

 

[Djmac1031]

I went through this whole debate while writing my Jenna series.

It started with a role play chat between Jenna and Tom (the two central characters) where she started calling him "Daddy."

They talked about it later; Tom liked it but thought it a little strange. Jenna explained she does it for fun and because she thought he might like it. But she tells him not to overthink it. She doesn't have a daddy fetish, nor an incest fetish. Doesn't think of her own father, nor think of Tom AS her father.

She finds it fun and a little kinky and so throws it in sometimes.

A few readers didn't like it, but it was a very few. Most either liked it, or at the very least, didn't complain.

All this to say: use it if you wanna. And in what context you feel it works.

Don't worry too much about the reader reaction. Those who don't like it can find something else to read.

 

[StillStunned]

Am I the only one thinking that this opening line would have made Moby Dick much, much more interesting?

 

[Djmac1031]

Oh, sorry, to continue my thoughts:

I think where some readers start to have a problem with the "Daddy" thing is when the author uses it to to try and skirt past the age limits here and make it into age play, or in a way that infantizes (is that a word?) the female character.

I did my best to actively avoid that. There's a fine line between kinky and creepy when it comes to the Daddy thing.

 

[EmilyMiller]

I'm writing a story about a younger woman having sex with an older man. I'm considering having him ask her to call him Daddy while having sex. Will that turn off a lot of readers? I'm not into actual father/daughter incest stories so it seems like it might appeal to a narrow audience. I don't want to turn off readers either seeing it doesn't matter that much to the actual story. I'm looking for thoughts from other authors.

I’ve done some DD/lg IRL, so take that as context. I’ve also written it.

I think it’s fine - plenty of people who find actual incest squicky are OK with this. It’s kinda a trope to be honest.

Em

 

[joy_of_cooking]

infantizes

I think you want "infantilizes" (or infantilises, I guess; not sure where you are).

I'm writing a story about a younger woman having sex with an older man. I'm considering having him ask her to call him Daddy while having sex. Will that turn off a lot of readers?

I'm not sure I would stop reading, but it would be a nudge in that direction, yeah.

 

[Trionyx]

Him initiating it won't do as well as her initiating it. It's the standard "creepy old man" double standard that plays out any time you have an older man and a younger woman. You'll get more negative comments, lower scores, etc. when he's the one driving, rather than being along for the ride.

Agree.

 

[Carnevil9]

A lot of Hispanic women call their lover "papi" and none of them think it is weird at all. Sort of like calling your girlfriend "babe" or "baby," it doesn't mean you are pretending they are a real infant. I don't know if that fits your situation, but it is one data point about how language can be used.

 

[Trionyx]

And some people don’t like being called Babe or Baby. You’ll never please everyone all the time.

 

[Djmac1031]

And some people don’t like being called Babe or Baby. You’ll never please everyone all the time.

Exactly.

Funny you brought that one up.

I personally have no objections to "babe" or "baby," my GF and I both use "babe" often.

And I occasionally use them in stories.

But while writing my Jenna series, at one point the MMC Tom calls her "baby."

To my surprise, Jenna reacted negatively to this and asked him not to use that.

He of course apologized.

Where exactly that came from, im not sure. I suppose it was just a case of a character "speaking" to me.

She'd had some past negative experiences with the guys she dated; maybe they called her "baby" a lot.

 

[Trionyx]

Exactly.

Funny you brought that one up.

I personally have no objections to "babe" or "baby," my GF and I both use "babe" often.

And I occasionally use them in stories.

But while writing my Jenna series, at one point the MMC Tom calls her "baby."

To my surprise, Jenna reacted negatively to this and asked him not to use that.

He of course apologized.

Where exactly that came from, im not sure. I suppose it was just a case of a character "speaking" to me.

She'd had some past negative experiences with the guys she dated; maybe they called her "baby" a lot.

In my story Fourteen Days of Valentines the FMC objected to being called Baby/Babe which triggered a breakup. This was based on a woman I once knew who hated being called Baby.

 

[Emilymcplugger]

I’ve done some DD/lg IRL, so take that as context. I’ve also written it.

I think it’s fine - plenty of people who find actual incest squicky are OK with this. It’s kinda a trope to be honest.

Em

To paraphrase HOT FUZZ…

“Very good. What I said”.

 

[SimonDoom]

Some people will love it, and some people will be creeped out by it.

You can't write erotica to play it safe. Write to the kinks and fetishes that YOU enjoy. You'll probably write your best erotica that way, and you will find some whose kinks and fetishes mesh with yours, even if you also might find some who are repelled. Ignore the latter.

 

[Andi_Chase]

Personally, I'm turned off by any guy who asks to be called Daddy. It's a term you have to earn. But write the story you want to write!

 

[Djmac1031]

Just for fun, and by way demonstrating one approach to it, i figured I'd share an excerpt from my Jenna series where the characters discuss this topic:

Jenna giggled. "You like that, huh? I do, too, sometimes. It's fun."

"You don't find calling me 'daddy' weird?"

Jenna sat up. "No. Why, do you? I thought you liked it."

"I do," I said, "it's just one of those things that can be a little...I dunno, strange. The incestuous implications."

Jenna frowned at me. "You really do overthink things sometimes. You're not my dad. I don't think of you as my dad. I'm not thinking of my dad when I do it. And I'm not acting like some underage fantasy daughter. It's a bit of kinky role-play, nothing more, okay?"

"Of course, sorry, I wasn't trying to imply any of that, just..." I trailed off, feeling a bit embarrassed.

Jenna's face softened. "Do you enjoy it?" she asked simply.

"Yes."

Jenna kissed my cheek. "Then shut up, stop feeling guilty about your kinks, and let yourself have fun."

 

[StillStunned]

And some people don’t like being called Babe or Baby. You’ll never please everyone all the time.

I read your post last night, and Voice of the Beehive has been playing in my head ever since.