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[ll74]

Hezbollah and Israel seem to be exchanging smaller attacks, though nothing has escalated yet. Hezbollah obviously wants Israel blind to their movements by destroying cameras.

https://apnews.com/article/lebanon-...rder-tension-ed64d3806cd25d845055c4d4a2bc76a2

Since the Oct. 7 attack by the Palestinian militant Hamas group on southern Israel that killed more than 1,400 Israeli civilians and troops, tension has been on the rise along the Lebanon-Israel border. Hezbollah fighters fired anti-tank missiles on Israeli army positions and Israeli troops shelled border areas on the Lebanese side of the border.

 

[SlutAddicted]

Israel has blockaded Gaza and steals Palestinian land in the West Bank. The priority of Israel's leaders is to stop a Palestinian state at all costs. Their strategy is to call their critics "anti-semites" and to paint Palestinians as "Hamas". Nobody who can think for themselves is fooled.

And if "Israel" existing means that only Jewish people are first class citizens (confirmed officially by Israel's recent "nation state law"), why not put an end to Israel? The map of Palestine in 1946 showed where the majority Jewish Palestinian population of the time lived, and it wasn't all that much land compared to Palestine's whole land area. Palestine should be for people's of all religions and none, and Israel could never be that because Israel is the Zionist project to enforce apartheid.

I think everyone knows that Hamas does not represent all of the Palestinian people. There are many more who just want to live in peace. The problem is separating the two when Hamas wants to hide amongst the innocent and lash out with violence at will. Likewise I think everyone knows that Israel has done things that make the situation worse.

The fact remains that on the day the nation of Israel was created there were borders delineated and there was land set aside for the Palestinians that would have made up a logical state for them. It was the Arab world that decided this was unacceptable and decided to attack Israel with intent to eradicate it. From that time forward there has not been a single moment in time when there was not some entity among the Palestinian people (before Hamas it was a previously more militant version of the PLO) devoted to eradicating Israel. Whatever one thinks of Israel it is not realistically going to consent to its own extermination.

Allowing a separate entity to thrive alongside it and build itself for that purpose would be suicide. What is happening and has happened in Gaza is horrible. But it is Hamas who chose to take the enormous amount of money they have received in aid and funnel it to violence. It is Hamas who hides behind innocent civilians while committing the terrorist activities that make it impossible for Israel to open the place up.

If Israel was dedicated to the destruction of Gaza (the way Hamas is dedicated to the destruction of Israel) it would be gone already. The people who oppose Israel's existence want Gaza to be a festering wound because that allows them to keep their grievance alive. If they were able to say fuck it let's stop all this nonsense, get rid of the extremists and build our society, what do you think would happen? The lives of all Palestinians would improve immensely and there would eventually be a path to peace and a two state solution (with the assistance of International pressure perhaps). But the desire to retake all of Israel and murder all the jews would fade. The extremists would be reduced to a minority group of fanatics. That would diminish their power greatly because their power now lies in the grievance of Gaza of which they are the prime architect.

 

[Dribble]

If you are going to bomb a hospital...shouldn't you have proof Hamas is using it? Just empty words. Why? Because it isn't about eradicating Hamas. It is about annexing Northern Gaza

Watch and learn

 

[Rightguide]

Good condensed summary of How We Got To This Point In Gaza (no paywall).

Also, there is a special place in hell for a military pilot who deliberately targets a hospital.

There's a special place in hell for a terrorist organization that purposely places their weaponry in a hospital or a school knowing it will be attacked so that they can go to their own private "Air" Force (CNN, MSNBC, ABC, NBC, CBS, people like you) and claim a war crime that doesn't exist under the law of war.

Placing weapons, munitions, and personnel in hospitals and schools is a war crime, attacking a weapons cache or enemy like Hamas who are hiding in a hospital is not a war crime. Hamas is responsible for "everything" that happens in Gaza. Israel has a legal right to kill them and destroy their capability no matter where they're hiding. Hamas routinely uses human shields. You ought to be ashamed of yourself defending them.

 

[Rightguide]

Balancing till Air Force One God forbid gets shot down. He can do all his shit over the phone, and he has a Cabinet.

Can you imagine the chaos a presidential visit will bring to wartime Israel? His purpose in going is to hold back the Israeli attack on Gaza.

 

[ll74]

Can you imagine the chaos a presidential visit will bring to wartime Israel? His purpose in going is to hold back the Israeli attack on Gaza.

Incorrect - his purpose is to show support whole also to convince Israel and Egypt to provide humanitarian relief corridors for civilians in need.

https://abcnews.go.com/Internationa...rael-wednesday-sec-blinken/story?id=104027428

Beyond the news of Biden’s impending visit, Blinken also announced the U.S. and Israel will develop a plan "that will enable humanitarian aid from donor nations and multilateral organizations to reach civilians in Gaza and them alone, including the possibility of creating areas to help keep civilians out of harm's way," he said.

 

[ll74]

I'm definitely disappointed in Israel. Hospitals and schools should not be air targets...period.

I don't care how many Hamas are using it for shielding. Do better...this is wrong.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/17/midd...h-crossing-week-2-tuesday-intl-hnk/index.html

My hope is that international pressure will curb their lack of care in their targets and help get Palestinians out of harms way.

And no, nothing has changed about my views of Hamas. They don't give a fuck about anyone.

Edit: this attack source is unconfirmed

 

[Fuzzy1975]

There's a special place in hell for a terrorist organization that purposely places their weaponry in a hospital or a school knowing it will be attacked so that they can go to their own private "Air" Force (CNN, MSNBC, ABC, NBC, CBS, people like you) and claim a war crime that doesn't exist under the law of war.

Placing weapons, munitions, and personnel in hospitals and schools is a war crime, attacking a weapons cache or enemy like Hamas who are hiding in a hospital is not a war crime. Hamas is responsible for "everything" that happens in Gaza. Israel has a legal right to kill them and destroy their capability no matter where they're hiding. Hamas routinely uses human shields. You ought to be ashamed of yourself defending them.

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-crimes-schools-d1e52368aced8b3359f4436ca7180811

"The Ukrainian government says Russia has shelled more than 1,000 schools, destroying 95. On May 7, a bomb flattened a school in the eastern village of Bilohorivka, which, like School No. 21 in Chernihiv, was being used a shelter. As many as 60 people were feared dead."

https://www.aljazeera.com/features/...ng-war-crimes-by-bombing-hospitals-in-ukraine

"On March 9, 2022, there were reports of devastation after Ukraine said Russian air strikes destroyed a maternity ward and children’s hospital in Mariupol. President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said there were children beneath the wreckage, and Ukrainian officials called the attack a “war crime“."

I understand this a thread about Israel and Hamas, but I can't stand by idly while fucking wrongway has the audacity to call out only whom he chooses. The fucker should just bury his head in his ass and fuck off for good.

Of course if he can show a post where he has called out Russia, I'll gladly appologize.

 

[zipman]

It’s obvious you’re struggling to curate a similar post with "TweeX "of Palestinians and Arabs, etc, condemning the Hamas animal’s heinous, murderous, terrorist attack(s),, and calling for the innocent hostages to immediately be released.

Understandable…

Oh he has no interest in that. Did you actually read the things he embedded? One one says that the Israeli Bayshore were created by AI. Zumi cares deeply about innocent deaths, as long as they're not Jewish.

 

[zipman]

If you are going to bomb a hospital...shouldn't you have proof Hamas is using it? Just empty words. Why? Because it isn't about eradicating Hamas. It is about annexing Northern Gaza

Watch and learn

That's stupid. The real question is whether you will admit you're wrong when they don't annex it?

Btw, I've found that everything's you say watch and learn, it's usually on your dumbest posts.

 

[zipman]

Meanwhile, Jordan and Egypt still refuse to take in any Palestinian refugees? Why? So the Palestinian can continue to be used as pawns by the Arab world.

Just look at how many western countries took in Syrian refugees by comparison.

 

[Chobham]

Meanwhile, Jordan and Egypt still refuse to take in any Palestinian refugees? Why? So the Palestinian can continue to be used as pawns by the Arab world.

Just look at how many western countries took in Syrian refugees by comparison.

Nope, they don't want anything to do with them or their bullshit. Jordan already had it's set to with the Palestinians.

Black September.

Both the Egyptians and Jordanians know that they're nothing but trouble and want no part of them.

 

[snailspace]

Meanwhile, Jordan and Egypt still refuse to take in any Palestinian refugees? Why? So the Palestinian can continue to be used as pawns by the Arab world.

Just look at how many western countries took in Syrian refugees by comparison.

Didn't you advocate for HAMAS to be given an airport

 

[Dribble]

That's stupid. The real question is whether you will admit you're wrong when they don't annex it?

Btw, I've found that everything's you say watch and learn, it's usually on your dumbest posts.

Yep.

Will you?

Bottomline, Israel bombed evacuation routes. No one said shit. Now they bombed a hospital...and they deny it because they went too far. Let a UN team in there. It is easy to prove whose munitions did it. Israel has been targeting civilians. And people like you support it.

Traitors to America ideals

 

[Dribble]

Meanwhile, Jordan and Egypt still refuse to take in any Palestinian refugees? Why? So the Palestinian can continue to be used as pawns by the Arab world.

Just look at how many western countries took in Syrian refugees by comparison.

Simple. If you had a brain.

1) is Jordan and Egypt a "western" country

2) Because they know Israel won't let them back in

Look at all the aid on Egypt's border...why is Israel not letting it in?

 

[ll74]

Dribble is a left wing ReichGad

 

[schism666]

whoopsie!

 

[schism666]

Dribble is a left wing ReichGad

his cognitive skills have really declined over the past few years. vette lost his shit at least a decade ago.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Pop quiz time!

Who originally funded the nascent Hamas party and why?

 

[Lazaran]

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Yeah, Hamanya Naftali isn’t a “spokesperson for Israel”; he’s a journalist. It’s possible he initially reported what he assumed had happened. (edit: He actually shared a report from Reuters)

He now has found video evidence that Hamas did in fact launch a barrage of missiles towards Israel in the area at the exact time when the hospital was hit.

Hamas claimed there were no missile launches in the area at that time.

Who to believe???

Who’s going to be the brave and truly independent soul to go in and verify what actually blew up that hospital???

Considering Hamas has apparently already been caught in a lie about there not being a missile barrage in the area at the time, I’m leaning towards it being a Hamas "accident".

Also: It’s Kinda strange that it happened just before President Biden traveled to Israel, and now his meetings with some key players have been cancelled.

 

[icanhelp1]

Fear mongering is dumb.

He can't do this over the phone.

Telegraphing his itinerary?

Can you imagine the chaos a presidential visit will bring to wartime Israel? His purpose in going is to hold back the Israeli attack on Gaza.

What I find ironic is 5 C-17s have landed in Israel delivering weapons and ammunition and yet they couldn’t load up with Americans to bring them home. He left Americans behind in Afghanistan and now in Israel. Strange.

 

[Buffalogurl]

Telegraphing his itinerary?

What I find ironic is 5 C-17s have landed in Israel delivering weapons and ammunition and yet they couldn’t load up with Americans to bring them home. He left Americans behind in Afghanistan and now in Israel. Strange.

Gotta realize they didn't pay the 10% for the big guy.... The Biden administration is a fucking embarrassment....

 

[Donpadre]

Israel, Hamas, Palestine, Hezbalah. Doesn't matter who is fighting or dieing the people making the weapons of war and the politicians who they own will get richer.

 

[Buffalogurl]

Yeah, Hamanya Naftali isn’t a “spokesperson for Israel”; he’s a journalist. It’s possible he initially reported what he assumed had happened.

He now has found video evidence that Hamas did in fact launch a barrage of missiles towards Israel in the area at the exact time when the hospital was hit.

Hamas claimed there were no missile launches in the area at that time.

Who to believe???

Who’s going to be the brave and truly independent soul to go in and verify what actually blew up that hospice???

Considering Hamas has already been caught in a lie about there not being a missile barrage in the area at the time, I’m leaning towards it being a Hamas "accident".

Also: It’s Kinda strange that it happened just before President Biden traveled to Israel, and now his meetings with some key players have been cancelled.

I have read reports of up to 500 dead and many more wounded. At the time of the report "it wasn't clear" who perpetrated this heinous war crime... yupper this shit won't escalate.......

 

[schism666]

Gotta realize they didn't pay the 10% for the big guy.... The Biden administration is a fucking embarrassment....

nothing is more embarrassing to america than trump supporters who believe dumb shit