Israel/Hamas PB Tribal Fight

[ll74]

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[IrezumiKiss]

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[RandyRebecca]

Hamas attacked Israel. Hope this helps.

And you have nothing to say about Israel attacks on Gaza for years and years? Selective blindness?

 

[ll74]

And you have nothing to say about Israel attacks on Gaza for years and years? Selective blindness?

If there werent Hamas attacks on Israel during the same timeframe....I might.

Hamas has never stopped. They aren't seeking peace nor are they seeking a better life for the Palestinians. They are seeking the end to Israel.

 

[RandyRebecca]

No that isn't comparable. Slave owners made a point of subjugating slaves to exploit them. Israel started out seeking to live side by side in a land to which they also have a legitimate claim. After being attacked over and over again they were forced to wall of the Palestinians for their own preservation.

The order of events was not Israel oppresses and the Palestinians rebel. The order of events was Palestinians devote themselves to the destruction of Israel so Israel has no choice but to keep them down.

You've turned reality on its head there, desperately trying to paint the Palestinians as the oppressors. Nobody who can think for themselves is fooled.

 

[RandyRebecca]

If there werent Hamas attacks on Israel during the same timeframe....I might.

Hamas has never stopped. They aren't seeking peace nor are they seeking a better life for the Palestinians. They are seeking the end to Israel.

Israel are the imperialist occupiers. Hamas are not.

 

[SimonDoom]

And you have nothing to say about Israel attacks on Gaza for years and years? Selective blindness?

Israel's attacks were in response to Gaza's attacks. Israel gave Gaza back to the Palestinians. Israel was not dedicated to destroying Gaza. Hamas is dedicated to destroying Israel, and it has consistently acted on that motive since it took over Gaza. Its attacks on Israel have never stopped. If Gaza stopped its attacks, Israel would stop in its retaliation. The reverse is not true. Gaza will keep attacking Israel regardless because Hamas is not content to have Gaza but wants to destroy Israel. It says as much.

 

[ll74]

Israel are the imperialist occupiers. Hamas are not.

Hamas is the leading government of Gaza. They spend their money on weapons while their people starve.

Fuck off....you're brainwashed. You, like Hamas, want to end Israel. You don't care about Palestinians.

 

[RandyRebecca]

Israel's attacks were in response to Gaza's attacks.

No. Israel is the imperialist occupier. They are the ones who turned Gaza into the biggest open prison in the world, while stealing more and more Palestinian land in the West Bank. It's apartheid.

Israel gave Gaza back to the Palestinians.

By turning it into a ghetto?

Israel was not dedicated to destroying Gaza.

They're flattening it now aren't they? Israel also need the Palestinians as the bogeyman to Israel's existence.

Hamas is dedicated to destroying Israel, and it has consistently acted on that motive since it took over Gaza.

It's not about Hamas. Remember what I said about slave owner violence against a slave, and slave violence against a slave owner. The Palestinians are an occupied people.

Its attacks on Israel have never stopped.

I suppose you'd say that Nelson Mandela was a terrorist, too? Yes? That's what the apartheid regime in South Africa said, and all their "allies" in first world governments. Some even called for Mandela to be hanged. They changed their tune in the 1990s, suddenly.

If Gaza stopped its attacks, Israel would stop in its retaliation. The reverse is not true. Gaza will keep attacking Israel regardless because Hamas is not content to have Gaza but wants to destroy Israel. It says as much.

The reverse is true. Israel are the imperialist occupiers, armed to the teeth by US imperialism the biggest military force on the planet. Hamas is one group in Gaza, a territory blockaded by Israel for a long time. Come back to reality.

Hamas is the leading government of Gaza. They spend their money on weapons while their people starve.

Fuck off....you're brainwashed. You, like Hamas, want to end Israel. You don't care about Palestinians.

I'm afraid it's you who is brainwashed. You have decided to ignore Israel's crimes against Palestinian people, like bulldozing their houses on a whim, shooting their kids for throwing stones, cutting off electricity and water, stealing land in the West Bank etc.

And no, I don't like Hamas. I'm an atheist female FFS.

 

[ll74]

I'm afraid it's you who is brainwashed. You have decided to ignore Israel's crimes against Palestinian people, like bulldozing their houses on a whim, shooting their kids for throwing stones, cutting off electricity and water, stealing land in the West Bank etc.

I have t ignored anything. Hamas fires rockets into Israel and Israel retaliates. Every single time.

I don't agree with Israel's illegal settlements, but thats small cookies compared to Hamas, who doesn't care about anything but the destruction of Israel.

 

[RandyRebecca]

I have t ignored anything. Hamas fires rockets into Israel and Israel retaliates. Every single time.

What do Israel expect? They have blockaded Gaza, turned it into an open air prison, and commit monstrous crimes against the people there. Do they expect no violence in response? A bit like poking a dog with a stick repeatedly and not expecting it to bite back.

I don't agree with Israel's illegal settlements, but thats small cookies compared to Hamas, who doesn't care about anything but the destruction of Israel.

What is Israel? What was/is the Zionist project about? Palestine could be a country for peoples of all religions and none. Israel could never be that.

 

[ll74]

What do Israel expect? They have blockaded Gaza, turned it into an open air prison, and commit monstrous crimes against the people there. Do they expect no violence in response? A bit like poking a dog with a stick repeatedly and not expecting it to bite back.

Yes, I get that Hamas attacking Israel is cool for you. You demonstrate that well.

What is Israel? What was/is the Zionist project about? Palestine could be a country for peoples of all religions and none. Israel could never be that.

How does that work when Hamas wants all Israelis to die? ¯⁠\⁠(⁠°⁠_⁠o⁠)⁠/⁠¯

 

[Chobham]

What do Israel expect? They have blockaded Gaza, turned it into an open air prison, and commit monstrous crimes against the people there. Do they expect no violence in response? A bit like poking a dog with a stick repeatedly and not expecting it to bite back.


What is Israel? What was/is the Zionist project about? Palestine could be a country for peoples of all religions and none. Israel could never be that.

Let's start with that. Israel did that all on their own huh? In case you haven't noticed NO ONE wants them. Not Lebanon, not Jordan, not the Saudi's, not the Egyptian's, NO ONE. So yes, in a very real sense they are in an open air prison of their own device.

You then go one to speak of "atrocities' committed against them by the Israeli's while completely ignoring the atrocities they've committed against every nation that's hosted them and even against each other.

If you choose to behave like an animal you can rest assured that you're going to be treated as an animal. You would think that after 70 years they'd realize that for every action they take they're going to be the subject of a reaction. Their leadership reached their positions based on violence and are not going to relinquish those positions because those positions come with money and power.

By the way, even the Iranians consider them to be animals, just animals that are useful for the Iranians purposes..........for now.

 

[AlexBailey]

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[SimonDoom]

The Palestinians are an occupied people.

100% as a matter of choice. They could have chosen to accept the UN mandate to create two states, but they and the rest of the Arab world refused, choosing instead to embark on a futile, murderous, self-destructive war against Israel's existence.

If you want to relitigate the legitimacy of Israel's original founding, you are living in a delusional world. The reality is that Israel is here and it's not going anywhere, so what are the Palestinians going to do about it? They've had 75 years to do the right thing, and they haven't done it.

The Palestinians could still, right now, choose to do the right thing, renounce claims against Israel, renounce violence, and then they would have a chance to have peace and rebuild. Gaza would have sovereignty and peace, and there's a good chance that the Palestinians in the West Bank would at last gain sovereignty over some portion of the land they currently hold. That is a FAR better result than anything that possibly could happen as a result of the policies they currently follow or that you seem to advocate. You seem to prefer Holy War. Only Hell can result from that.

 

[RandyRebecca]

Let's start with that. Israel did that all on their own huh? In case you haven't noticed NO ONE wants them. Not Lebanon, not Jordan, not the Saudi's, not the Egyptian's, NO ONE. So yes, in a very real sense they are in an open air prison of their own device.

So you're telling us that the ruling classes of those countries don't care about the Palestinians? Yes, you're correct. Some of them also have deals with the US, like Saudi Arabia. The Saudis were prepared to do a "normalization" deal with Israel before October 7, but now have to back off because of the feelings of the Saudi population.

You then go one to speak of "atrocities' committed against them by the Israeli's while completely ignoring the atrocities they've committed against every nation that's hosted them and even against each other.

What?

If you choose to behave like an animal you can rest assured that you're going to be treated as an animal.

Ah, the classic imperialist propaganda of dehumanizing the opposition, treating them as less than animals who can simply be slaughtered. The Nazis liked to do that.

100% as a matter of choice.

No. No choice from the Palestinian side.

I assume you know of the Oslo Accords from 1993? That was supposed to make Gaza and the West Bank a Palestinian state. Instead, Israel used Oslo to pass off policing of the Palestinians to the "Palestinian Authority", stepped up settlements in Gaza before pulling them all out in 2005 and turning Gaza into the biggest open air prison, and in more recent times have been colonizing Palestinian land in the West Bank.

Israel have destroyed any chance of a settlement, especially the "two state solution". Israel don't want a Palestinian state to exist.

They could have chosen to accept the UN mandate to create two states, but they and the rest of the Arab world refused, choosing instead to embark on a futile, murderous, self-destructive war against Israel's existence.

Did you see how much land Palestinians had before that UN Mandate? The UN Mandate was the same sectarian disaster that was used by the British in India, and the Zionists went far, far beyond the UN Mandate.

If you want to relitigate the legitimacy of Israel's original founding, you are living in a delusional world.

I'm really not. One Palestine for peoples of all religions and none, meaning an end to Zionism, is the only answer. Unless you prefer genocide of the Palestinians?

 

[Chobham]

So you're telling us that the ruling classes of those countries don't care about the Palestinians? Yes, you're correct. Some of them also have deals with the US, like Saudi Arabia. The Saudis were prepared to do a "normalization" deal with Israel before October 7, but now have to back off because of the feelings of the Saudi population.


What?


Ah, the classic imperialist propaganda of dehumanizing the opposition, treating them as less than animals who can simply be slaughtered. The Nazis liked to do that.


No. No choice from the Palestinian side.

I assume you know of the Oslo Accords from 1993? That was supposed to make Gaza and the West Bank a Palestinian state. Instead, Israel used Oslo to pass off policing of the Palestinians to the "Palestinian Authority", stepped up settlements in Gaza before pulling them all out in 2005 and turning Gaza into the biggest open air prison, and in more recent times have been colonizing Palestinian land in the West Bank.

Israel have destroyed any chance of a settlement, especially the "two state solution". Israel don't want a Palestinian state to exist.


Did you see how much land Palestinians had before that UN Mandate? The UN Mandate was the same sectarian disaster that was used by the British in India, and the Zionists went far, far beyond the UN Mandate.


I'm really not. One Palestine for peoples of all religions and none, meaning an end to Zionism, is the only answer. Unless you prefer genocide of the Palestinians?

Oh. let's start with "Black September."

 

[RandyRebecca]

Oh. let's start with "Black September."

Why start there, without taking into account all the events before it? No amount of propaganda trickery can change the fact that Israel are the imperialist oppressors here, running an apartheid system that goes far beyond even apartheid South Africa. The so-called "nation state law" a few years ago basically confirmed it officially. Israel's supporters like to say that Israel is a "democracy". No such thing has ever existed for Palestinians. Palestinians are about fifth class citizens there. There's no moral highground for Israel to take with any justification at all. They must end all colonization of West Bank land and end the Gaza blockade with immediate effect, or be made to do so. And the Palestinians are not going anywhere. The question of Israel's crimes will never go away.

 

[icanhelp1]

Let's start with that. Israel did that all on their own huh? In case you haven't noticed NO ONE wants them. Not Lebanon, not Jordan, not the Saudi's, not the Egyptian's, NO ONE. So yes, in a very real sense they are in an open air prison of their own device.

You then go one to speak of "atrocities' committed against them by the Israeli's while completely ignoring the atrocities they've committed against every nation that's hosted them and even against each other.

If you choose to behave like an animal you can rest assured that you're going to be treated as an animal. You would think that after 70 years they'd realize that for every action they take they're going to be the subject of a reaction. Their leadership reached their positions based on violence and are not going to relinquish those positions because those positions come with money and power.

By the way, even the Iranians consider them to be animals, just animals that are useful for the Iranians purposes..........for now.

I find it ironic that the Hamas leadership resides in Qatar, how quaint they refuse to live in the filth they created.

 

[Chobham]

That whole thing is ridiculous. They don’t have anywhere to go. Even before all of this most of them were well south of poverty.

Do you suppose they have vacation homes outside the city somewhere? Telling them to evacuate is Israel trying to inoculate itself against the civilian deaths, it knows it is going to cause.

Israel knows they aren’t going anywhere because they have nowhere to go. But it sounds awfully good, and it gives the people who are willing to parrot their narrative some thing to say.

Gibberish.

 

[icanhelp1]

That whole thing is ridiculous. They don’t have anywhere to go. Even before all of this most of them were well south of poverty.

Do you suppose they have vacation homes outside the city somewhere? Telling them to evacuate is Israel trying to inoculate itself against the civilian deaths, it knows it is going to cause.

Israel knows they aren’t going anywhere because they have nowhere to go. But it sounds awfully good, and it gives the people who are willing to parrot their narrative some thing to say.

The leadership of Hamas has vacation homes outside of Gaza, they enjoy the leisure’s of the good life while sucking their people dry, filling their minds with bullshit they themselves don’t believe in.

 

[RandyRebecca]

The leadership of Hamas has vacation homes outside of Gaza, they enjoy the leisure’s of the good life while sucking their people dry, filling their minds with bullshit they themselves don’t believe in.

And the Palestinian people?

 

[TrailerHitch]

Given that Hamas leadership knowingly signed their own death warrants by going ahead with the attack on Israel… I’d say they’re more committed than our leaders… or Israel’s.

Only fools believe wartime propaganda… and only the most foolish discount their enemy’s strengths.

Or more stupid to do something so obviously detrimental to their terrorist organization.

 

[RandyRebecca]

Or more stupid to do something so obviously detrimental to their terrorist organization.

What was the alternative? Do nothing? The Palestinian Authority in the West Bank is now viewed with contempt, seen as sellouts, appeasers, collaborators etc. Fatah once had authority as a resistance group against Israel.

Israel's supporters are determined to focus on Hamas, to distract from what Israel does to the Palestinian population.

 

[Chobham]

What was the alternative? Do nothing? The Palestinian Authority in the West Bank is now viewed with contempt, seen as sellouts, appeasers, collaborators etc. Fatah once had authority as a resistance group against Israel.

Israel's supporters are determined to focus on Hamas, to distract from what Israel does to the Palestinian population.

Gotta get those 72 virgins don't ya know?

That always made me wonder what Muslim women get?