Israel/Hamas PB Tribal Fight

[ll74]

Unfortunately there is a paradigm shift from today to as little as a decade ago. The Israeli response today would seem to many as being cruel and an over the top response. What people don’t include into the equation is that Israel is surrounded by groups of terrorist that in less than a ten year span have acquired sophisticated weapons systems that can reach into every city and town within Israel threatening the very existence of Israel. These new weapon systems change the dynamics on the ground and drives a different response that Israel needs to take just to break even. It is imperative in order for Israel to exist under some kind of semi-quasi secure perimeter the conflict has now escalated and devolved into an asymmetrical conflict where the enemy not only hides amongst itself using civilian as shields but also has the capability to reach out and touch far behind the battle lines an cause devastating damage and loss of life using sophisticated weapons. Israel‘s only response is to find and destroy these weapons and delivery systems while destroying Hamas. Nothing else will secure Israel‘s future.

Buffalogurl would have you believe that Israel is just going to kill any Palestinian they find.

They won't. They will target Hamas and do so carefully and with proper.consideration of civilian impact.

And people will still blame them because war sucks and people die.

It is definitely ok to criticize Israel and expect the highest amount of care from them. Hamas should also take the same amount of care, but they won't.

 

[Bray123]

Israel has announced that the entire population had better migrate to the southern half of the territory, as they will invade and obliterate the northern half. That will punish Hamas and no mistake.

That land clearance will push 2.6 million people into an area of some 70 sq miles, which for comparison is the same land area and population of Brooklyn, New York.

 

[icanhelp1]

Buffalogurl would have you believe that Israel is just going to kill any Palestinian they find.

They won't. They will target Hamas and do so carefully and with proper.consideration of civilian impact.

And people will still blame them because war sucks and people die.

It is definitely ok to criticize Israel and expect the highest amount of care from them. Hamas should also take the same amount of care, but they won't.

That is why the IDF can expect high casualty rates, they put a high value on life. Combatant commanders in this difficult scenario are Damned if they do, damned if they don’t. Commanders need to instill into their soldiers the clarity of purpose and block out the noise. It requires a massive force and up to the minute intel and the ability to act on that intel instantly. Tall buildings are the worst. They almost have to surround the city and engage all at once. This engagement will make Fallujah look like a walk in the park, no disrespect to our brave combat units who lost precious lives. Not sure how the Geneva Convention rules of war pertains to this conflict since the opposing combatants are not traditional uniformed combat units. IMHO

 

[One_ping_only]

That is why the IDF can expect high casualty rates, they put a high value on life. Combatant commanders in this difficult scenario are Damned if they do, damned if they don’t. Commanders need to instill into their soldiers the clarity of purpose and block out the noise. It requires a massive force and up to the minute intel and the ability to act on that intel instantly. Tall buildings are the worst. They almost have to surround the city and engage all at once. This engagement will make Fallujah look like a walk in the park, no disrespect to our brave combat units who lost precious lives. Not sure how the Geneva Convention rules of war pertains to this conflict since the opposing combatants are not traditional uniformed combat units. IMHO

If my memory serves me correctly our brave U.S. soldiers went to buildings in Fallujah that were a few stories high ....... unlike these tall buildings in Gaza which housed millions. Going to each building, floor and room will take it's toll. Will it be a toll that Israel will accept or will they decide to pull out and just nuke said buildings???

 

[ll74]

If my memory serves me correctly our brave U.S. soldiers went to buildings in Fallujah that were a few stories high ....... unlike these tall buildings in Gaza which housed millions. Going to each building, floor and room will take it's toll. Will it be a toll that Israel will accept or will they decide to pull out and just nuke said buildings???

They won't nuke anyone.

 

[icanhelp1]

If my memory serves me correctly our brave U.S. soldiers went to buildings in Fallujah that were a few stories high ....... unlike these tall buildings in Gaza which housed millions. Going to each building, floor and room will take it's toll. Will it be a toll that Israel will accept or will they decide to pull out and just nuke said buildings???

To destroy a building once cleared doesn’t make sense. Eliminate the threat, capture intel, destroy weapon systems and clear tunnels. Needless infrastructure destruction only creates a refugee crisis. I would think take the building and hold it. Not all palestIndians hate Jews. IMHO

 

[icanhelp1]

If I’m not mistaken BotBoy did a combat tour in Fallujah.

 

[coati]

Israel has announced that the entire population had better migrate to the southern half of the territory, as they will invade and obliterate the northern half. That will punish Hamas and no mistake.

That land clearance will push 2.6 million people into an area of some 70 sq miles, which for comparison is the same land area and population of Brooklyn, New York.

I have a two state solution that will solve several problems at the same time. Give the Palestinians a large portion of Texas and force the displaced Texans to a 70 square mile area within the new Palestinian state.

Greg Abbott can then play the Hamas role.

 

[Pad_Foot]

Without laying a finger on a single Palestinian how many will die from lack of water and food ??

Hitter did much the same to the Greeks. 300,000

How many Yemenis died from the Saudi’s war on their people ?? 377,000

We live in one fucked up world

We best get another aircraft carrier off the Israeli coast to show our support!! They get how much aid a year??

Food!?? Medical ?! F that!!
Thoughts and prayers !!

 

[schism666]

journalist killed hours after posting this.

 

[ll74]

Without laying a finger on a single Palestinian how many will die from lack of water and food ??

Hitter did much the same to the Greeks. 300,000

How many Yemenis died from the Saudi’s war on their people ?? 377,000

We live in one fucked up world

We best get another aircraft carrier off the Israeli coast to show our support!! They get how much aid a year??

Food!?? Medical ?! F that!!
Thoughts and prayers !!

The people of Gaza have been impoverished for decades, specifically because its leaders spend their money on weapons.

Moving them south won't change that, though will ensure they don't die from the conflict.

 

[Pad_Foot]

The people of Gaza have been impoverished for decades, specifically because its leaders spend their money on weapons.

Moving them south won't change that, though will ensure they don't die from the conflict.

You want to figure those logistics on the fly?
Sounds like when sine other people fled into the same desert.

Will Israel create an immediate response team for the future ? How could they not have that ready 24-7-366?

 

[ll74]

You want to figure those logistics on the fly?
Sounds like when sine other people fled into the same desert.

Will Israel create an immediate response team for the future ? How could they not have that ready 24-7-366?

Who's responsibility is that? Who governs Gaza?

 

[Pad_Foot]

To evacuate a million people ? Who has ever managed that ??

What did Putin promise the Hamas? What could they possibly have gained other than genocide?

 

[ll74]

To evacuate a million people ? Who has ever managed that ??

Who is supposed to have a plan for a war?. Is it the people who start it or the people who get pulled into it? Who governs Gaza?

What did Putin promise the Hamas? What could they possibly have gained other than genocide?

Good question.

 

[Pad_Foot]

Who is supposed to have a plan for a war?. Is it the people who start it or the people who get pulled into it? Who governs Gaza?


Good question.

You think the Palestinians voted to attack Israel? Ok, then punish every last one of them!

 

[ll74]

You think the Palestinians voted to attack Israel? Ok, then punish every last one of them!

Who governs Gaza?. Who is its leaders?

 

[Pad_Foot]

Duh.. Hamas. Dipshit
So? Kill all the people !!
The Hamas leadership are terrorists
Not leaders

Ok worries .., we have sold (oops given) them enough bombs to do it.

Exterminate all of Gaza

Happy ?

 

[ll74]

Duh.. Hamas. Dipshit
So? Kill all the people !!
The Hamas leadership are terrorists
Not leaders

So Hamas attacked Israel and doesn't have a plan for its people to get out of harm's way.

Israel isn't responsible for having a plan. They have given warning to the people of Gaza. This is what the leaders of Gaza decided was in the best interest of its people.

And still Israel will take care to avoid killing civilians,.because they do that.

 

[Pad_Foot]

So Hamas attacked Israel and doesn't have a plan for its people to get out of harm's way.

Israel isn't responsible for having a plan. They have given warning to the people of Gaza. This is what the leaders of Gaza decided was in the best interest of its people.

And still Israel will take care to avoid killing civilians,.because they do that.

Bullshit

All the dead Palestians this week and over time.. all soldiers ?

Ignore

 

[IrezumiKiss]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1712874907401330691

 

[ll74]

Bullshit

All the dead Palestians this week and over time.. all soldiers ?

Ignore

It doesn't work if you don't tell everyone you're doing it

Hamas is using its people as shields.

Is Israel supposed to just stop going after Hamas until someone tells them?

What exactly are they supposed to be doing here?

Hamas attacks and kills 1000s of Israeli citizens, purposely targeting women and kids. Israel is already going above and beyond anything Hamas has done.

If the Palestinians want something better then they should start handing over Hamas fighters in handcuffs. That is the problem here...not Israel.

 

[TrailerHitch]

It doesn't work if you don't tell everyone you're doing it

Hamas is using its people as shields.

Is Israel supposed to just stop going after Hamas until someone tells them?

What exactly are they supposed to be doing here?

Hamas attacks and kills 1000s of Israeli citizens, purposely targeting women and kids. Israel is already going above and beyond anything Hamas has done.

If the Palestinians want something better then they should start handing over Hamas fighters in handcuffs. That is the problem here...not Israel.

Excellent analysis. I'm shocked but I agree with your entire stance on this war. Terrorists deserve to die. Plain and simple. When you behead women and children you are not in anyway soldiers.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Looking at the geography of Gaza, there is a relatively small border between Gaza and Egypt, a large border between Gaza and Israel, and the remainder of Gaza borders the Mediterranean sea. In theory, Gaza should be able to use the Mediterranean sea as a means of import and export, but the Israelis have imposed a unilateral sea blockade of Gaza.

Naval blockades are considered a prime example of an "Act of War", yet Israel has maintained this blockade for almost two decades, in the name of "national security". Why? Because the voters of Gaza voted to install politicians from the Hamas party around 2006 or so.

So the net effect is Israel is slowly and steadily strangling the populace of Gaza to death by severe limitations on food imports, energy imports and building material imports. Meanwhile, the population of Gaza has increased from 1.1 million in 2010 to 2 million in 2020.

You could argue that Israel is offering Gaza a hellish choice: slow death from starvation or a quicker death from military forces.

Hamas has limited ways to respond. To gain foreign sympathies, they deliberately use civilian homes as military bunkers. Israel realizes that the world will only accept a certain amount of collateral damage (i.e. civilian casualties) so Israeli military options are limited from a public relations standpoint. One suspects that the IDF uses things like the stupid Hama rocket attack as an excuse to launch a disproportionate retaliatory response.

The bottom line is that the Middle East is a basically a shithole, and there are no real positive options left anymore.

The last net positive to come out of the Middle East was the Camp David Accords of 1979, when President Jimmy Carter brokered a truce between Egypt and Israel by agreeing to pay billions of American dollars to Egypt each year with the understanding that Egypt will cease all government initiativess against Israel. It worked far beyond American expectations: Egyptian politicians and military leaders love Murican Moolah more than they hate the Israeli state.

Feel free to take issue with my hot take, guys. I'm just stating my two cents worth and I got a pocket full of change.

 

[ll74]

Excellent analysis. I'm shocked but I agree with you entire stance on this war. Terrorists deserve to die. Plain and simple. When you behead women and children you are not in anyway soldiers.

It really makes me mad that Hamas has been running that place. I would hope they would elect different leaders if offered the chance