Israel/Hamas PB Tribal Fight

[ll74]

That wasn’t my point at all. Forensic investigations will determine the source if records exist.

You can be certain some weapon platforms are coming from Afghanistan.

I'll just take your point to be that our involvement in the middle east has contributed to Hamas and their ability to acquire weapons of destruction.

That being said, I find it ironic that our 9/11 led to Afghanistan and weapons from that led to what people are calling the Israeli 9/11.

Yet another reminder that we don't live in a bubble and the things we do in the world have consequences.

I'd argue that this should lead towards more diplomacy I the world and less violence, but it's tough when theocracies literally exist to kill non believers.

 

[icanhelp1]

And you can be certain that many more have come from Iraq and Syria and Saudi Arabia.

You seem to have a problem with leaving the goal posts in fixe positions.

 

[ll74]

You seem to have a problem with leaving the goal posts in fixe positions.

You seem to have a problem understanding that the weapons came from more than just Afghanistan. I blame BDS.

 

[jaF0]

Some articles are trying to make the point that Russia funneled weapons and information in to distract and pull resources from Ukraine to help them finally achieve their three day operation.

 

[icanhelp1]

I'll just take your point to be that our involvement in the middle east has contributed to Hamas and their ability to acquire weapons of destruction.

That being said, I find it ironic that our 9/11 led to Afghanistan and weapons from that led to what people are calling the Israeli 9/11.

Yet another reminder that we don't live in a bubble and the things we do in the world have consequences.

I'd argue that this should lead towards more diplomacy I the world and less violence, but it's tough when theocracies literally exist to kill non believers.

I would put more emphasis on Iran, Syria, Russians. Your comments are condescending. Since the hostage crisis Iran the Muslim extremist have been very vocal for the destruction of Israel. Most people don’t have a clue as to the real history of Israel or back in 1932 the alliance of the Grand Mufti’s and the Arab league alliance with Nazi Germany which assisted with the destruction and attempted genocide of the Jewish people.

 

[ll74]

Some articles are trying to make the point that Russia funneled weapons and information in to distract and pull resources from Ukraine to help them finally achieve their three day operation.

Please provide them as you find them. Thank you

 

[icanhelp1]

You seem to have a problem understanding that the weapons came from more than just Afghanistan. I blame BDS.

You’re a liar, nothing new.

 

[ll74]

I would put more emphasis on Iran, Syria, Russians. Your comments are condescending. Since the hostage crisis Iran the Muslim extremist have been very vocal for the destruction of Israel. Most people don’t have a clue as to the real history of Israel or back in 1932 the alliance of the Grand Mufti’s and the Arab league alliance with Nazi Germany which assisted with the destruction and attempted genocide of the Jewish people.

Sorry you don't like my tone princess.

The middle east has a complex history. And I would agree that Iran is front and center there. And there are not many countries who haven't contributed to the situation. The world's dependence on oil really hasn't helped.

It would be better if people had shorter memories and less vengeful demeanor.

 

[ll74]

You’re a liar, nothing new.

Tha ks for your valuable feedback

 

[ll74]

It's surprising to me that so few people ever reach the conclusion that both sides are evil and if they were to wipe each other out, the world would be better for it.

Both sideism is not an actual solution nor does it contribute to one.

 

[ll74]

I'm sure Hamas is very concerned..."oh no, they're closer to us"

This isn't the first perspective of nor.alizong relations between Israel and the Saudis as a driver for the attacks.

US to send military ships, aircraft closer to Israel​

WASHINGTON, Oct 8 (Reuters) - The United States will send multiple military ships and aircraft closer to Israel as a show of support, Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin said, with Washington believing Hamas' deadly attacks may have been motivated to disrupt a potential normalizing of Israel-Saudi Arabia ties.

 

[ll74]

The first hand account at the start is truly disheartening (podcast) https://pca.st/episode/dd90e766-bbb3-4ef6-9b21-f8ffb31ec1fe

 

[LLCox]

I would like to know what Hamas is getting out of this besides their ass kicked.

 

[ll74]

Shocker on the below. These statements aren't helpful to themselves or global stability.

Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Iran say Israel has only itself to blame for Hamas attacks​

“The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia is closely following the developments of the unprecedented situation between a number of Palestinian factions and the Israeli occupation forces, which has resulted in a high level of violence on several fronts there,” the country’s Foreign Ministry said in a statement. “

The Kingdom recalls its repeated warnings of the dangers of the explosion of the situation as a result of the continued occupation, and deprivation of the Palestinian people of their legitimate rights, and the repetition of systematic provocations against its sanctities,” the statement continues.

 

[ll74]

I would like to know what Hamas is getting out of this besides their ass kicked.

Having full support of Iran and other players in the region gives them the bluster and balls.

 

[LLCox]

Having full support of Iran and other players in the region gives them the bluster and balls.

Well they are cut off totally now so good luck getting support unless some of their "buddies" attack too. I guess they like being fodder for Iran's games. Never do the Arabs/Iranians win. An exercise in futility.

 

[jaF0]

Shocker on the below. These statements aren't helpful to themselves or global stability.

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But they're not untrue.

If Israel had complied with various UN resolutions requiring withdrawal from the Occupied Territories, we might not be here now.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

But they're not untrue.

If Israel had complied with various UN resolutions requiring withdrawal from the Occupied Territories, we might not be here now.

If the UN ( I tend to blame Britain the most for this fuck up) had drawn up a better "partition plan" back in 1948, one both sides could have agreed upon, we might never of had an on going war i the region since 1948....

 

[ll74]

But they're not untrue.

If Israel had complied with various UN resolutions requiring withdrawal from the Occupied Territories, we might not be here now.

Hypothetical.

Israel's consistent expansion has definitely exacerbated tensions. I will agree.

The global community has never applied much pressure to get them to comply.

 

[jaF0]

Please provide them as you find them. Thank you

Well, here's one....

Russia Seeks to 'Frame' Ukraine with 'Trophy' Western Weapons in Gaza: Kyiv​

Kyiv has accused Moscow of handing over "trophy weapons" captured in Ukraine to Hamas.

 

[ll74]

If the UN ( I tend to blame Britain the most for this fuck up) had drawn up a better "partition plan" back in 1948, one both sides could have agreed upon, we might never of had an on going war i the region since 1948....

I definitely think the UN needs stronger teeth.

 

[ll74]

Another piece regarding the Saudi/Israel normalization

The position seems to be that Israel would need to concede more than it is willing to.

https://themedialine.org/top-storie...the-expected-high-costs-of-israel-saudi-ties/

 

[jaF0]

The Five have made the UN useless and dysfunctional.

Reform it or abolish it.

 

[ll74]

The Five have made the UN useless and dysfunctional.

Reform it or abolish it.

I agree. The permanent member approach makes the entire body impotent.

 

[AlexBailey]

Russia and Iran are strategic partners and Iran supports Hamas.

What are the chances Putin has a finger in what’s happening in Israel?

I’m not saying he’s behind all of it, but why would a strategist like him ignore the benefits of stretching the US interests to distract from the war in Ukraine?