The future is dense, walkable cities.

[jaF0]

How long do you think you will you be able to take care of yourself out in the sticks?

Will you still live out there alone in your 80’s?

I hope to be done with this Earth long before then.

 

[jaF0]

Is that what you recommend for a national plan?

My national plan is choice. If it comes time, an individual should be able to make that choice and get medical help to complete it without shame. It should not depend on any other medical condition, only the patient's decision.

 

[TrailerHitch]

SMH

There are alternatives to the old project towers.

Of course there are but one of your comrades blamed the issue on high rises. You will need those to implement your 15 minute cities.

 

[ll74]

Rural kids have outdoor space where they can learn practical outdoor skills. Urban kids can have more social interaction within walking distance. Many suburban kids are trapped at home until they get rides to friends' homes and activities. The distance may be short enough for walking, but considered too dangerous on a route designed only for cars. The situation is more severe for suburban families that can't afford cars or car repairs. The results of growing up in suburban isolation can be seen all over the internet.

Wtf is "suburban isolation"?

I've been in suburbs most of my life...I've never seen a kid in isolation unless they choose to be alone or they were grounded.

 

[TrailerHitch]

Or you can build Paris. 4-6 stories of housing with shops on the ground floor. That gives you density without blight.

Sure thing. How many square miles would you need to build these 4-6 story buildings to house 1 million people, let alone 6 or 8 million people? And as you sprawl in these mini apartment buildings how big does your 15 minute city become? Unless your 15 minute city is broken down into separate 15 minute city zones, which seems a lot like suburbia.

 

[coati]

Actually as I have stated several times, try paying attention, I live in Tennessee.

Sorry, I don't follow your blather. Too high of a noise-to-signal ratio.

 

[Dribble]

How long do you think you will you be able to take care of yourself out in the sticks?

Will you still live out there alone in your 80’s?

There are the questions I answered. Of course...I quoted them when I answered. Hmmmmmm....national....solution....inquiry....guess I am fucking blind

 

[Dribble]

This thread is talking about urban planning to meet the needs of people in modern society. You stated your personal terminal goal and I asked if it’s what you recommend for a national plan.

So back to the original goal post: Do you have ideas for society that differ from your own personal plan of suicide on the beach?

American society is doomed. The country can't even pay its bills.

Until that changes....nothing will be fixed. This is the reality. Expecting different is insanity.

The solutions...if society wants them...are simple. Starts with a National Health Care plan. The chance of achieving this in the next 50 years are zero.

Now....there are other pathways to achieve utopia. But no one here is willing to go that route....so discussing them also is mute

 

[TrailerHitch]

Rural kids have outdoor space where they can learn practical outdoor skills. Urban kids can have more social interaction within walking distance. Many suburban kids are trapped at home until they get rides to friends' homes and activities. The distance may be short enough for walking, but considered too dangerous on a route designed only for cars. The situation is more severe for suburban families that can't afford cars or car repairs. The results of growing up in suburban isolation can be seen all over the internet.

Seriously? I lived rural and suburban my entire life. We had tons of friends and got together all the time. We walked or rode bikes to each other's house. Today most kids do the vast majority of their socializing at school and online. The life I lived as a kid is for the most part dead today. We played outside, explored the woods, went fishing, played pick up games of baseball, basketball, and football. We built forts, swam in the pond, climbed trees and lived a glorious childhood. I honestly pity most kids these days. Stranger danger has stole much of the freedom I had and electronics has stolen the rest.

 

[TrailerHitch]

Sorry, I don't follow your blather. Too high of a noise-to-signal ratio.

I understand, you would rather troll than actually engage. Thanks for clarifying that.

 

[AlexBailey]

American society is doomed. The country can't even pay its bills.

Until that changes....nothing will be fixed. This is the reality. Expecting different is insanity.

The solutions...if society wants them...are simple. Starts with a National Health Care plan. The chance of achieving this in the next 50 years are zero.

Now....there are other pathways to achieve utopia. But no one here is willing to go that route....so discussing them also is mute

So a day on the beach….

I’d say that makes your opinions on urban planning moot. (Not mute)

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Sure thing. How many square miles would you need to build these 4-6 story buildings to house 1 million people, let alone 6 or 8 million people? And as you sprawl in these mini apartment buildings how big does your 15 minute city become? Unless your 15 minute city is broken down into separate 15 minute city zones, which seems a lot like suburbia.

LA already does that. It's a city of neighborhoods that grew together, much like how old European cities evolved from separate villages. There are some clusters of skyscrapers, like downtown and Century City, but much of the density of LA comes from closely-packed houses and low apartment buildings. New construction is more of the same, but with shops and bike lanes added in.

The idea of 15 minute-cities is not to pack everything into a tiny space, but to build neighborhoods where you can do most of your everyday business by walking or biking. If you need to go farther, there's always a bus or a train nearby to take you to a different neighborhood.

The way this differs from classic suburbs is that suburbs require a car to get around and drivers expect to be able to park in the city when they drive in. This makes the city worse for the people who live there. Every parking lot for suburban drivers gobbles up space that could be used for walkable shops or apartments.

 

[Paul_Chance]

One of the things we've seen here (Santa Clara Valley/San Jose Metro) has been the change in zoning. Previously in San Jose, except for a few residential high-density areas, there was a limit on going up - most apartment buildings were built in zones that had a maximum of two stories. Initially the change to higher buildings (up to five stories) took place in newly zoned districts, but recently they've allowed it in the older districts, so you see the new and replacement buildings going up to between three and five stories, usually with the first floor being zoned commercial, so in effect it's creating the little mini-downtowns that support the 15 Minute model.

It's the right move. The newer buildings - some are apartments, some apartment homes, some townhouse/condo/lofts. I live in an older townhouse, but right next to me is a newer one that goes up three stories and has a cool rooftop garden/greenspace. I gave it an eyeball and serious consideration when it went up (but ultimately decided to stay put).

 

[Dribble]

So a day on the beach….

I’d say that makes your opinions on urban planning moot. (Not mute)

Reality: 50% of US society refused to wear a fucking mask...

Your reality: nothing but pipe dreams.

 

[Dribble]

One of the things we've seen here (Santa Clara Valley/San Jose Metro) has been the change in zoning. Previously in San Jose, except for a few residential high-density areas, there was a limit on going up - most apartment buildings were built in zones that had a maximum of two stories. Initially the change to higher buildings (up to five stories) took place in newly zoned districts, but recently they've allowed it in the older districts, so you see the new and replacement buildings going up to between three and five stories, usually with the first floor being zoned commercial, so in effect it's creating the little mini-downtowns that support the 15 Minute model.

It's the right move. The newer buildings - some are apartments, some apartment homes, some townhouse/condo/lofts. I live in an older townhouse, but right next to me is a newer one that goes up three stories and has a cool rooftop garden/greenspace. I gave it an eyeball and serious consideration when it went up (but ultimately decided to stay put).

And this is how change happens. Locally.

 

[AlexBailey]

Reality: 50% of US society refused to wear a fucking mask...

Your reality: nothing but pipe dreams.

Lol, okay. So the 15 minute places that are being designed and built don’t really exist?

Is it a failure in your eyes because it hasn’t replaced all existing development?

 

[TomTeacher19]

The GOP doesn't really like cities, but they certainly are very supportive of being dense.

 

[Paul_Chance]

Yep, at the end of the day all change is local (like the saying all politics is local). On the urban planning side though, the cities have some sort of blue print for what form the changes will take. Most people just roll with the changes in life, taking advantage of the mobility modern society affords most of us.

 

[Dribble]

Lol, okay. So the 15 minute places that are being designed and built don’t really exist?

Is it a failure in your eyes because it hasn’t replaced all existing development?

No....it isn't the Federal responsibility to make it happen. If people want to live in conclaves...they should. If people don't want to live that way...they should. It isn't rocket science

 

[AlexBailey]

No....it isn't the Federal responsibility to make it happen. If people want to live in conclaves...they should. If people don't want to live that way...they should. It isn't rocket science

Who is saying it should be a federal mandate?

 

[Dribble]

Yep, at the end of the day all change is local (like the saying all politics is local). On the urban planning side though, the cities have some sort of blue print for what form the changes will take. Most people just roll with the changes in life, taking advantage of the mobility modern society affords most of us.

It really really is this simple. Communities that build a certain way will attract like-minded people over time. But how do we make existing cities self supporting? You can't. Not within my lifetime...not within my kids lifetime...not within my grandkids lifetime. Hell...we can't even give Flint Michigan safe water

 

[Dribble]

This thread is talking about urban planning to meet the needs of people in modern society. You stated your personal terminal goal and I asked if it’s what you recommend for a national plan.

So back to the original goal post: Do you have ideas for society that differ from your own personal plan of suicide on the beach?

Your fucking words...not mine. See your use of "national"? Choose your argument and stick with it

 

[Paul_Chance]

It really really is this simple. Communities that build a certain way will attract like-minded people over time. But how do we make existing cities self supporting? You can't. Not within my lifetime...not within my kids lifetime...not within my grandkids lifetime. Hell...we can't even give Flint Michigan safe water

The days of self-supporting are long gone. Whether you're urban, suburban, ex-urban, or rural these days, you're part of a complex web of interlocking and mutually supporting systems. Look no further than these wonderful machines (computers, tablets, and cell phones) that we're communicating on to see an example.

Everyone wants to live off the land. LOL - here's a tip, anyone who actually makes the decision to go live off the land (and off the grid) probably isn't participating in online forums.

 

[jaF0]

Taller buildings lead to more taller buildings and more taller buildings. Then you have concrete jungles with no green spaces and no one can see more than the 50 feet or less to the next building.

I've seen some plans to convert some of the older shopping centers and malls into a combination of office, light manufacturing, medical, retail and residential. Sort of self contained towns where people live and work in the same space. Some even offer recreation areas, community garden spaces and fresh produce markets. No vehicles needed.

 

[Dribble]

The days of self-supporting are long gone. Whether you're urban, suburban, ex-urban, or rural these days, you're part of a complex web of interlocking and mutually supporting systems. Look no further than these wonderful machines (computers, tablets, and cell phones) that we're communicating on to see an example.

Everyone wants to life off the land. LOL - here's a tip, anyone who actually makes the decision to go live off the land (and off the grid) probably isn't participating in online forums.

When I refer to self-supporting...i am looking at this notion of getting 90% of your services within a 15 minute walk. Not needing a car. Relying on transit. I just don't see Americans doing this...ever. Yes...we can have small conclaves of like-minded people pulling this off. But the majority of Americans don't want this. If they do ..show me the studies showing that