Pounding my fist onto the table

[madelinemasoch]

But it will be a small audience compared to single, one shot stories.

Sure, I've noticed the dipping. However, the first chapter of the series is my most read work, by far. Every time I post a new chapter the first one's count gets bigger. So this could simply be because people go back to the beginning, but either way, it has more reads than my one-off.

 

[Djmac1031]

Sure, I've noticed the dipping. However, the first chapter of the series is my most read work, by far. Every time I post a new chapter the first one's count gets bigger. So this could simply be because people go back to the beginning, but either way, it has more reads than my one-off.

The only thing I've learned here is that for every "rule," there's an exception.

Sometimes there's no real rhyme or reason to any of it.

Readers will read our stories, or they won't.

 

[NoTalentHack]

I feel like a real failure today. I do not think I'm going to "make it" on this website, whatever that means. Red Hs and 100k reads. I've been banned from the most populous internet place in which I used to share links to new chapters (but that happened a month+ ago, and the volume of hate comments has actually decreased since then...)

Hate comments. Not just my own comments. I've been looking through many different comment sections. Nobody [exaggerative] likes what I write about on here.

I have a major block in writing new stuff for my main series. No idea what to do with Leya and Jamal after what just happened and their little subplot of tension in regards to what Finn's fate will be. Too many voices outside of my bedroom trying to get me to stop writing this. So I started a stroker series in the meantime ((don't read it) When we think we're failures at our work, we tend to produce the fluffiest and most shallow of that work).

Man, is there a single thing I'm good at? Don't pity me. That's not the point. I wanna be something else. I want my voice to shatter your illusions. For now I'm just mediocre.

On second thought, let me add a venting section to this post.
1. Big penis bull and small penis cuck is not a fucking cliche, it's a genre feature. To prove this, switch it around in your imagination: it wouldn't make any goddamn sense.
2. Masochism isn't a mental illness, it's an erotic form.
3. Femdom isn't roleplay and it isn't abuse, it's reality.
4. Female narcissism is hot.
5. In a cuck story, if you have your characters fucking everything that moves or have the cuck still fuck its wife, you're doing something else.

So you've gotten the helpful advice and you've gotten flamed into the ground. You should pay attention to all of that. Now here's the tough love section.

You will not shatter anyone's illusions if they don't read your stuff.

First off, you're writing stuff that's probably considered by most people to be in the wrong place. There's interracial, NC/R (as we discussed yesterday), torture, scat, smoking, sph, and even more. And it's in BDSM, the most vanilla of the kink categories. Any single one of those topics should see it in another category, but all of them together? Yikes.

Second, you're writing in a section that's not particularly high traffic. Going by views, my oldest BDSM story, Forever Bound, has ~20K views; it was published on Nov. 27, 2022. At the End of the Tour, also Nov. 27 but in Loving Wives, has 165K views.

"Not the same," you might say. Okay; my sole cuck story, a cuck and bull bromance called Kayfabe was published Jan. 23, 2023 in Loving Wives. It has 21K views, 3.87 rating (my lowest score) and 126 comments. I wrote it almost entirely because I wanted to explore the psychology of cuck/bull dynamics; admittedly, it was also partially to mess with the folks that kept telling me to write something funny for a change.

I'm not trying to show off or be a dick here or whatever. I'm just saying: you're in the wrong category, no matter whether your goal is to get views or comments or whatever. You're also going WAY too hard on your kinks. Like, way way too hard. You seem to have this attitude that your way is the one true way which... well, I've talked about how wrongheaded that thinking is, at least in my opinion. But it's also really offputting.

You don't write badly from a technical standpoint--that part is quite competent--but there's no leading your reader from point A through to point Z. Your kinks are not presented in a way that makes them in any way palatable to people that are not already onboard with your attitude towards the various topics. That's a skill you're going to have to learn, the salesmanship side of things, if you want to be successful.

I'm not saying "write cookie cutter stuff." Hell, damn near everything I write is made with the ethos of "here's a thing I wanted to talk about, presented in the most polished, entertaining way I can, and if you 1-bomb me, we both know it's because you reflexively hate what I have to say rather than how I said it."

I KNEW when I wrote Kayfabe it would get a lot of one stars, but I also knew that if I told it the right way, people would go, "Oh, okay. I kind of get it now. I don't like it, but I get it." And about half the comments on there are either of that variety or the "oh, thank god, someone who finally gets me!" variety. I also probably picked up around 100 followers with something like "cuck" in their name from that one story. Again, not trying to be a dick here, but that means I, a person with absolutely no interest in cuckolding outside the intellectual, have probably done more to get non-cuckolding enthusiasts to think more charitably towards it with a single story than you have so far. More flies with honey than vinegar and all that.

I'm not into the stuff at all, but I tried to put myself in the mindset of someone who is and kind of bridged the gap between something I do get (gentle/loving maledom BDSM) and tried to see where it would intersect with femdom/cuck/bull stuff to go from there. It sounds like you need to go from the opposite point of view, from "THESE ARE THE BEST KINKS AND THIS IS THE ONLY WAY TO WRITE CUCK STORIES" and see why... you know, people might disagree with that. You have to reach people where they are, not where you want them to be. To put it another way: I did neighborhood outreach; you leave Chick tracts in place of a tip for your waitress.

Keep writing. Keep working on your skills. But the biggest skill you need to pick up is the empathy to understand why "I'm going to burn my pathetic male sub's dick with a cigarette and never show him even the slightest hint of affection" is not going to get you anywhere with anyone that's not already 100% down for it.

Go into the psychology of the characters, not just their actions. Explain WHY the male sub might want to submit to that kind of treatment, for example or HOW the femdom character got to that point in her life or even just show that she doesn't hate the sub, that it is a symbiotic relationship (even if neither of them can admit it, because of power dynamics). Because, I'll be honest, that's how your stuff comes off: the women hate the men, and the men are like cattle, whether they're bulls or steer. There's no one for a typical person to root for.

As to your five bullet points, eh, I disagree on pretty much all of them, and I think most people would. On points 1 and 5, I know of at least one bull/cuck story where the woman wants a smaller penis (because sex with her husband's larger one hurts), but more importantly, if your story is always the same structure/tropes, it's going to get boring fast. Maybe it's not dick size; maybe it's assertiveness, or wealth, or charisma, or physical presence, or... you get the idea.

Similarly, if the husband never fucks the wife, it's gone into the realm of "what kind of pathetic ass would put up with this?" unless there's a good reason that you can elucidate. Alena's Game, while BDSM instead of cuck (although it does play with that a bit), does a great job demonstrating why a guy would wear a cage for a year and put up with an IMMENSE amount of pain, humiliation, and degradation, and makes it clear it's both because of his needs and his devotion to her.

As to masochism not being a mental illness... No, not typically. Shit, I write enough BDSM that I'd be a hypocrite if I disagreed. But I think it CAN be; I'd argue the guy that puts up with cigarette burns from someone who hates him has tipped WAY over into that side of things. Similarly, femdom doesn't have to be abuse, but it can be; and it certainly isn't always reality. Trust me, the many female subs I've known (not necessarily biblically, just as friends) would take BIG issue with that statement. And female narcissism can be hot, but it can also be incredibly offputting; without some sort of human core, it too often goes to the latter.

TL;DR: Write more, sharpen your skills, change categories, learn how to bridge the divide between readers who don't inherently want what you want.

 

[BobbyBrandt]

I don't know the risks of talking logistics with you, but...
This would take more than a year and it will amount to more than 100k words.


I gotta find some who I like, trust, and value their advice.


Can you explain how? Because it's not like they're going to absorb what happens next by osmosis in a 100k word webpage. They still have to read left to right like everyone else who reads English.


I can manage the entire body of the part of the work that's completed because every chapter is in the same Google Doc. I copy paste and split paragraphs accordingly when I upload them to the site.


They're not. They're serialized/episodic. I don't want readers to know what happens next until it's up.


Then I also ask you this: would you be more likely to read and complete the reading of a 100k+ word webpage story? Also, it seems like there are enough readers who will click on a singular chapter to keep me from going into drastically low numbers (like, below 1k reads, that's never happened).

I can speak from my experience here and as a published author in mainstream literature.

On Literotica, I have nine stories posted with between 50,000 and 150,00 words. All are in Novels/Novellas and have each held the red H since publication. Now, four of those were originally posted in chapters or parts, but each story had all the parts submitted at the same time, so they posted one day after each other.

Having the choice of a single long story or a story broken into parts (5 long and 4 broken into parts), my readers have overwhelmingly stated that they prefer the former. So much so that I recently requested that the individual parts get replaced with a single submission of the longer complete stories. All recovered their red H in less than a week and the views keep climbing. I encourage you to read the comments on just one of these stories to gauge how readers feel about the 51-page length.

Some of my favorite stories on Literotica are over 100K words and I keep them bookmarked to read over again.

I also have 16 other stories in various categories, including two which are series stories. Each of those series stories could and does stand on its own, but they share a common theme within each series. Each averages between 10K and 20K words. The series are marked as not completed in the 'Series Manager' in case I decide to write another story within either of them.

I couldn't send an incomplete chapter story to my agent or publisher, so why should I send one to the readers on Literotica? A series story is a different animal and needs to be treated as such; with its own beginning, middle, and end.

I understand how you keep the entire story in Google Docs and extract the portions that you want to publish each time. My question is, what will you do if, at some later point in the story, you discover a character or plot element previously published would work better if it was changed in some fashion? Personally, I find the inflexible aspect of impatience too much of a burden for me.

 

[pink_silk_glove]

Here's a better idea. Stop writing from your ego and start writing from your heart. This is a totally serious comment.

 

[alohadave]

So this could simply be because people go back to the beginning

If they are finding the newest chapter in the New List, or by searching, this is very likely. When I find a new chapter and it looks interesting, I always go to the first chapter to read because a serial story usually starts at the first chapter.

 

[MelissaBaby]

Sure, I've noticed the dipping. However, the first chapter of the series is my most read work, by far. Every time I post a new chapter the first one's count gets bigger. So this could simply be because people go back to the beginning, but either way, it has more reads than my one-off.

Every time you publish a new chapter in a series, it's an advertisement for the series as a whole, and will draw readers to the beginning. You can also expect a bump on the first chapter when you finish the series, as many readers won't start an unfinished series.

 

[JaxRhapsody]

I feel like a real failure today. I do not think I'm going to "make it" on this website, whatever that means. Red Hs and 100k reads. I've been banned from the most populous internet place in which I used to share links to new chapters (but that happened a month+ ago, and the volume of hate comments has actually decreased since then...)

Hate comments. Not just my own comments. I've been looking through many different comment sections. Nobody [exaggerative] likes what I write about on here.

I have a major block in writing new stuff for my main series. No idea what to do with Leya and Jamal after what just happened and their little subplot of tension in regards to what Finn's fate will be. Too many voices outside of my bedroom trying to get me to stop writing this. So I started a stroker series in the meantime ((don't read it) When we think we're failures at our work, we tend to produce the fluffiest and most shallow of that work).

Man, is there a single thing I'm good at? Don't pity me. That's not the point. I wanna be something else. I want my voice to shatter your illusions. For now I'm just mediocre.

On second thought, let me add a venting section to this post.
1. Big penis bull and small penis cuck is not a fucking cliche, it's a genre feature. To prove this, switch it around in your imagination: it wouldn't make any goddamn sense.
2. Masochism isn't a mental illness, it's an erotic form.
3. Femdom isn't roleplay and it isn't abuse, it's reality.
4. Female narcissism is hot.
5. In a cuck story, if you have your characters fucking everything that moves or have the cuck still fuck its wife, you're doing something else.

Yeah, I don't have Red H's or 100k reads either, it just be like that. I'm still surprised I have 115 followers. If nobody likes what you're "selling", then maybe change it up a bit. I ain't seen your work, but given what I'm reading here; your attitude would probably get you banned from some subreddits. Certainly shear numbers of unfinished works aren't gonna get you to "make it" either. There are reasons they don't like it, it's up to you to figure out what it is and deal with it, deal in a way that's not really pandering, so you're not "selling out". You ain't gotta be afraid to say what site banned you... lemme guess; Twitter or Facebook?

Some people like the cuck kink, but don't live the lifestyle. I used to be a bull to a couple and it was just a thing they liked to do here and there, they still fucked. I'm sure actual cuckholded relationships are rare.

 

[JaxRhapsody]

My how your audience are a rabble of heathen simpleton peons! How dare they not understand and laud your brilliance?

The answer is: they are judging you and your work, just as you are judging them. You're walking right down the middle of a two-way street and bitching that you're getting run over.

Let's go back to that list.



According to you, any cuckold story where the cuck has average size junk or bigger is wrong. Likewise any bull who has average size equipment or smaller is just plain wrong. That's a pretty heavy judgement.

So just suppose, if the girl married him because he had a large package only to disappointed that he couldn't do anything with it went and found a smaller dude who was a better lay, that would be impossible? Never ever happen? Not even in fiction? That is a judgement.

Some people don't understand in the performance markets where you have an audience to entertain, it is they, that basically give you your worth. If they don't like you, then ya got nothing. No music artist hated by everybody is going platinum and no Lit author is going Red H if nobody likes them. We are essentially literary performers. People like him need to realize it doesn't matter how good one [thinks] is at writing, if the people intended to read it don't think so, then they subjectively aren't that good, but it's nice they love themselves and believe it so, if it keeps them going.

Somebody should write a cuck story where the husband is cucked because his dick is too big to use. That poor wife has had enough of main Lit male protag dick.

 

[alohadave]

Somebody should write a cuck story where the husband is cucked because his dick is too big to use. That poor wife has had enough of main Lit male protag dick.

Funny you mention this. One of my current WIP has a marriage breakup because the husband's penis grows from a medical treatment. It's not strictly cuck since there isn't the humiliation angle.

 

[Lifestyle66]

I think I want to do something that's the opposite of what people want,

And therein lies the whole issue with your rants.

You want to write something which is the OPPOSITE of what people want, ... and you rant about how much they hate it!

I'm struggling for the best words to describe such an attitude.

 

[madelinemasoch]

your attitude would probably get you banned from some subreddits. Certainly shear numbers of unfinished works aren't gonna get you to "make it" either. There are reasons they don't like it, it's up to you to figure out what it is and deal with it, deal in a way that's not really pandering, so you're not "selling out". You ain't gotta be afraid to say what site banned you... lemme guess; Twitter or Facebook?

Thank you. I don't use Reddit, anyways, so that's fine. The site that banned me was a Discord server.

Some people like the cuck kink, but don't live the lifestyle. I used to be a bull to a couple and it was just a thing they liked to do here and there, they still fucked. I'm sure actual cuckholded relationships are rare.

That's true.

 

[madelinemasoch]

And therein lies the whole issue with your rants.

You want to write something which is the OPPOSITE of what people want, ... and you rant about how much they hate it!

I'm struggling for the best words to describe such an attitude.

But the reason why I'm pissed is the same reason why I want to write something like that deliberately. It's just a motivator. I don't see anything wrong with using that as a motivator.

 

[Lifestyle66]

But the reason why I'm pissed is the same reason why I want to write something like that deliberately. It's just a motivator. I don't see anything wrong with using that as a motivator.

If you want good ratings and good comments, perhaps you should try writing what people DO want to read.

I write swinger/sharing stories and post to Loving Wives, where a very vocal half of those readers HATE such stories. With every story I post, I know it will receive at least one or two 1s within the first hour of going live! The 1s and 5s alternate throughout the day. And one story has over 1100 votes with over 71k views, rating an average of 3.29!

I write what I want to write, and "fuck 'em" if they don't love it! I OWN those 1-bombs and hateful comments!

 

[madelinemasoch]

I write swinger/sharing stories and post to Loving Wives, where a very vocal half of those readers HATE such stories. With every story I post, I know it will receive at least one or two 1s within the first hour of going live! The 1s and 5s alternate throughout the day. And one story has over 1100 votes with over 71k views, rating an average of 3.29!

I write what I want to write, and "fuck 'em" if they don't love it! I OWN those 1-bombs and hateful comments!

You get it. I strive for that IDGAF attitude.

 

[Lifestyle66]

I want to write something like that deliberately. It's just a motivator.

I wrote the story "A Gathering of Trolls" to poke at some of the Loving Wives swinger haters. It's now rated 2.99 with 174 votes. So, I didn't even get close to my goal of a 1.00 average!

 

[Whanmore]

I dont think you've go anything to worry about. You've got twice as many followers as me but youve been writing fpr way less time. And your stories are really Kinky so...there's that. But I think yore off to a great start.

 

[MillieDynamite]

What about Vampires that twinkle, werewolves that are football stars, people playing games for food, kids making their way through mazes, and dragons?

EDIT: Totally wrong thread. My BAD!

 

[madelinemasoch]

EDIT: Totally wrong thread. My BAD!

Not to worry