Do you own your body?

https://thehill.com/homenews/campai...n-should-be-banned-for-nonviable-pregnancies/

Pence says abortion should be banned for nonviable pregnancies​

Former Vice President Mike Pence said abortions in the case of nonviable pregnancies should be banned, taking a hard stance on abortion policy, which has proven to be a point of emphasis in his campaign.

“I’m pro-life. I don’t apologize for it,” Pence said

Since when is condemning women to death (ectopic, for example) a pro-life stance?

(Just your daily reminder that we have about 120 million eligible voters who NEVER vote in the US.)
 
https://thehill.com/homenews/campai...n-should-be-banned-for-nonviable-pregnancies/

Pence says abortion should be banned for nonviable pregnancies​





Since when is condemning women to death (ectopic, for example) a pro-life stance?

(Just your daily reminder that we have about 120 million eligible voters who NEVER vote in the US.)
Just reminding you to find a Party willing to fight for a purpose giving those people a reason to vote. Their life remains the same regardless which party dictates laws.

People choose to live where they live. Fix where you live before you attempt to fix a country that can not be fixed given existing politics.
 
Just reminding you to find a Party willing to fight for a purpose giving those people a reason to vote. Their life remains the same regardless which party dictates laws.

People choose to live where they live. Fix where you live before you attempt to fix a country that can not be fixed given existing politics.

More people never vote than voted for either candidate in the last voter turnout record breaking general election. Sorry not sorry you don't like being told that.

When you start that party let us know. 👍
 

Embryos as property, not kids

An appeals court in Texas ruled in a divorce case that the couple’s fertilized, frozen embryos are property, not unborn children, that may be awarded to the ex-husband per the fertilization clinic’s binding contract.
 
https://www.businessinsider.com/dom...ncrease-in-reproductive-coercion-calls-2023-7

In the wake of Dobbs v. Jackson, there has been a 100% increase in calls to the National Domestic Violence Hotline about reproductive coercion​


Since the Supreme Court decision, the National Domestic Violence Hotline has seen a 100% increase in calls about reproductive coercion, a form of domestic violence in which an abuser attempts to control their partner's body and reproductive agency, according to PBS News Hour.

Reproductive coercion includes things like hiding a partner's birth control or sabotaging their contraception, PBS reported.


Alongside the increase in these reports, PBS also noted that the hotline is now receiving upwards of 3,000 calls per day, the highest volume they've seen since its founding in 1996.

In 2022 alone — only the last six months of which were impacted by the Dobbs decision — the hotline received 27,350 reports of sexual abuse, which includes refusal to use contraception. That's an increase from 2021 when the hotline received 21,093 reports of sexual abuse.
 
More people never vote than voted for either candidate in the last voter turnout record breaking general election. Sorry not sorry you don't like being told that.

When you start that party let us know. 👍
Doesn’t matter. I am simply telling it how it is. Keep your head up your ass. Makes no difference to me because I don't live it a Fascist State.

You want to garner new votes? Offer them something and come through with it. Instead...all you got is "well we ain't them"...yet you do nothing to fight against st their policies. People ain't as stupid as you think
 
Err no, completely no comparison other than a legal case and an abortion are involved. She lied about her pregnancy ( @32 weeks ) to obtain drugs for a termination which might well have put her own life in danger. The UK is not America... yet
 
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Doesn’t matter. I am simply telling it how it is. Keep your head up your ass. Makes no difference to me because I don't live it a Fascist State.

You want to garner new votes? Offer them something and come through with it. Instead...all you got is "well we ain't them"...yet you do nothing to fight against st their policies. People ain't as stupid as you think

No you're not. You're making excuses excuses for them.

The reality is that most Americans don't give two fucks about politics. We have record disengagement from civics and record ignorance of issues. Americans would rather shop.

I know you like to think of most American citizens as children that aren't capable of self determination - and who knows, the way they are acting, maybe you're right. As most children don't understand the importance of taking care of responsibilities.
 
Err no, completely no comparison other than a legal case and an abortion are involved. She lied about her pregnancy ( @32 weeks ) to obtain drugs for a termination which might well have put her own life in danger. The UK is not America... yet
I believe that abortion isn't available on demand in Britain like it is in some US states like mine (New York State), even though it's still a 24 weeks limit. In Britain, I believe that abortion has to be agreed to by two doctors, and the woman has to say that having the baby would compromise her mental health, otherwise no abortion. Any abortion outside of these strict guidelines in Britain sees strong legal force and possible jail/prison sentences because of a 19th century anti-abortion law that they still have on the statue books.

People in Britain should fight for the right to abortion on demand. Abortion rights over there aren't anymore secure than what they were in Roe era America.

No you're not. You're making excuses excuses for them.

The reality is that most Americans don't give two fucks about politics.
If it's between Tweedledum Bourgeois Democrat and Tweedledee Bourgeois Republican, then most people don't care. It's like choosing between death by drowning and death by hanging.

We have record disengagement from civics and record ignorance of issues. Americans would rather shop.
Where are the politicians that offer something to inspire, or get people interested, and who don't sell out to big business in the process?
 
I believe that abortion isn't available on demand in Britain like it is in some US states like mine (New York State), even though it's still a 24 weeks limit. In Britain, I believe that abortion has to be agreed to by two doctors, and the woman has to say that having the baby would compromise her mental health, otherwise no abortion. Any abortion outside of these strict guidelines in Britain sees strong legal force and possible jail/prison sentences because of a 19th century anti-abortion law that they still have on the statue books.

People in Britain should fight for the right to abortion on demand. Abortion rights over there aren't anymore secure than what they were in Roe era America.


If it's between Tweedledum Bourgeois Democrat and Tweedledee Bourgeois Republican, then most people don't care. It's like choosing between death by drowning and death by hanging.


Where are the politicians that offer something to inspire, or get people interested, and who don't sell out to big business in the process?

Then they will pay the price for their childish behavior.

And so will everyone else for that matter.

It's nice to be inspired but the reality is that this isn't a game and people don't really have the luxury of sticking their heads in the ground. These are adults. Not children. Abdicating their responsibility is reaping exactly what should be expected. The leaders running amok with no checks. Because there aren't enough people minding the hen house.

I can't imagine thinking that it's just the politicians responsibility. Of by and for the people means exactly that. The people aren't holding up their end of the bargain.

Tell me, do you expect to be healthy if you only exercise once every four years or not at all? Is it the gym owner's job to inspire you to care about your body and your life? Does the CEO of Nike need to deliver running shoes for you to take a jog?

You act like people don't have a responsibility to themselves and to the government to be aware, informed and involved. Honestly, that's baffling.
 
I believe that abortion isn't available on demand in Britain like it is in some US states like mine (New York State), even though it's still a 24 weeks limit. In Britain, I believe that abortion has to be agreed to by two doctors, and the woman has to say that having the baby would compromise her mental health, otherwise no abortion. Any abortion outside of these strict guidelines in Britain sees strong legal force and possible jail/prison sentences because of a 19th century anti-abortion law that they still have on the statue books.
I'm not sure where you heard that, but it may be what happens in the UK can sound like discouragement, but is actually good medical practise. The law was established in 1967 for abortions up to 24 weeks for personal choice, but if there are medical reasons that might impact the mother or fetus after that date, then those are decisions for the patient and her medical team. There are no political threats to the Act at present and it's simplest if I quote from the NHS site...

Before having an abortion, you'll need to have an assessment appointment. This usually happens at the hospital or clinic, but you may be offered a phone or video assessment.
During this assessment, you may:


  • discuss your reasons for considering an abortion and whether you're sure about your decision
  • be offered the chance to talk things over with a trained counsellor if you think it might help
  • talk to a nurse or doctor about the abortion methods available, including any associated risks and complications
  • be offered an ultrasound scan to check how many weeks pregnant you are
  • be offered testing for sexually transmitted infections (STIs)
  • need to have other tests such as a blood test, depending on any medical conditions you have or the stage you're at in the pregnancy
When you're sure you want to have an abortion, you'll be asked to sign a consent form and the clinic or hospital will arrange a date for the abortion.
People in Britain should fight for the right to abortion on demand. Abortion rights over there aren't anymore secure than what they were in Roe era America.
It's often noted that the UK follows trends in the US and while nothing is impossible, no political party has ever hinted at removing abortion rights. Despite being based on christian ethics, our society and its law is more secular than the US. We don't have political appointees to the High Courts.

We're looking across the pond to you guys and feel your pain. Every woman I know was shocked when Roe v Wade was thrown out.
 
https://thehill.com/policy/healthca...to-let-abortion-ballot-initiative-go-forward/

Missouri Supreme Court orders attorney general to let abortion ballot initiative go forward​


Missouri’s ballot initiative to legalize abortion will be allowed to move forward after the state Supreme Court ruled the state’s attorney general was improperly stonewalling the effort.


The court ruled unanimously Thursday that Attorney General Andrew Bailey (R) was using “misleading” and “incorrect” arguments to justify delaying his approval of the cost estimates ballot measure that would allow residents to vote on whether to legalize abortion, a crucial step in the certification process.


The delay stretched far beyond the normal time the state allows for reviewing and approving ballot initiatives, meaning supporters were unable to start collecting signatures to try to place the measure on the ballot for next year’s election.


The court acknowledged the harm to plaintiff Anna Fitz-James and the initiative process. The process should take approximately 54 days, according to the American Civil Liberties Union of Missouri, which represented Fitz-James. Instead, it’s taken at least 135 days.


“Until the official ballot title is certified – a critical step being held up solely by the Attorney General’s unjustified refusal to act – Fitz-James cannot challenge that title in circuit court or circulate her petitions,” the judges wrote. “Fitz-James’s constitutional right of initiative petition is being obstructed, and the deadline for submitting signed petitions draws nearer every day.”
 
Adrina.... the gate way pundit report few days back that an Argentinian social celebrity had died within a few day of her second abortion.... I'm not versed in linking the stories but you can Google it...... Argentina has just recently legalized abortion. Looks to be it didn't work out so well for the celebrity maybe karma maybe not🤷
 
Adrina.... the gate way pundit report few days back that an Argentinian social celebrity had died within a few day of her second abortion.... I'm not versed in linking the stories but you can Google it...... Argentina has just recently legalized abortion. Looks to be it didn't work out so well for the celebrity maybe karma maybe not🤷

One can only hope that some seriously heinous karma is visited upon anyone who makes an ignorant / uninformed statement like the one above.

FOAD

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Adrina.... the gate way pundit report few days back that an Argentinian social celebrity had died within a few day of her second abortion.... I'm not versed in linking the stories but you can Google it...... Argentina has just recently legalized abortion. Looks to be it didn't work out so well for the celebrity maybe karma maybe not🤷
GP is 100% accurate.

Also, what was the cause of death?

PS - it's helpful when referring to a website source that you actually provide that source...that way people can read the shit you're talking about.
 
Adrina.... the gate way pundit report few days back that an Argentinian social celebrity had died within a few day of her second abortion.... I'm not versed in linking the stories but you can Google it...... Argentina has just recently legalized abortion. Looks to be it didn't work out so well for the celebrity maybe karma maybe not🤷

Nothing comes up in a google search. Not from the GP, not from anywhere. No recent news stories or internet articles for "Argentinian celebrity dead second abortion".

I'm not exactly sure what your point is. Are you trying to say abortion is dangerous? Statistically speaking, you are more likely to die by going to your annual dentist appointment. Are you trying to say that you do not approve of someone having one abortion, let alone two? Realistically, it's not anyone's business beside the woman and her medical staff. Are you saying that it is beneficial to ban abortion? If so, how so. The reality is that banning abortion causes not only undue stress on the medical system but quite an increase in cost. Additionally more women suffer more long term consequences when abortion is not available.

So what exactly is your point?
 
Nothing comes up in a google search. Not from the GP, not from anywhere. No recent news stories or internet articles for "Argentinian celebrity dead second abortion".

I'm not exactly sure what your point is. Are you trying to say abortion is dangerous? Statistically speaking, you are more likely to die by going to your annual dentist appointment. Are you trying to say that you do not approve of someone having one abortion, let alone two? Realistically, it's not anyone's business beside the woman and her medical staff. Are you saying that it is beneficial to ban abortion? If so, how so. The reality is that banning abortion causes not only undue stress on the medical system but quite an increase in cost. Additionally more women suffer more long term consequences when abortion is not available.

So what exactly is your point?
they sourced it from the gateway pundit: ergo...

and the point seems to be 'well, she kinda brought it on herself, right? right??'
 
Nothing comes up in a google search. Not from the GP, not from anywhere. No recent news stories or internet articles for "Argentinian celebrity dead second abortion".

I'm not exactly sure what your point is. Are you trying to say abortion is dangerous? Statistically speaking, you are more likely to die by going to your annual dentist appointment. Are you trying to say that you do not approve of someone having one abortion, let alone two? Realistically, it's not anyone's business beside the woman and her medical staff. Are you saying that it is beneficial to ban abortion? If so, how so. The reality is that banning abortion causes not only undue stress on the medical system but quite an increase in cost. Additionally more women suffer more long term consequences when abortion is not available.

So what exactly is your point?
Her name was Marie Delle Valle age 23...... apparently your Google fu is lacking......as far as my point? Depends on who the victim is...
 
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