SHOCK REPORT! U.S. Government in Possession of several UFOs (Intact and Partially Intact)

[butters]

what must be held in mind, always, is that most—if not all—unidentified objects are just that, and that doesn't make them extra-terrestrial in origin.

we also have to understand how much must be kept secret from the public about 'unidentified' objects because to reveal too much would mean letting the ways of collecting such material out of the bag, potentially putting the ability of the US gov't to keep tabs on the development of air/space craft by other nations (especially nations whose interests are anti-american) and maybe lives in jeopardy. It has to be weighed against the rightful desires of people to know, but governments are elected to do the job of protecting their populations. There'll always be the scales these things are measured on.

 

[BluesDriver66]

i seem to recall someone asking President Obama about the existence of UFOs and were any being kept anywhere... he laughed and said "Ask me again in 10 years time" or something like that

It's been an open secret to people who follow the topic.

 

[BluesDriver66]

what must be held in mind, always, is that most—if not all—unidentified objects are just that, and that doesn't make them extra-terrestrial in origin.

we also have to understand how much must be kept secret from the public about 'unidentified' objects because to reveal too much would mean letting the ways of collecting such material out of the bag, potentially putting the ability of the US gov't to keep tabs on the development of air/space craft by other nations (especially nations whose interests are anti-american) and maybe lives in jeopardy. It has to be weighed against the rightful desires of people to know, but governments are elected to do the job of protecting their populations. There'll always be the scales these things are measured on.

This is a very tired and worn argument which is essentially meaningless. It's like saying most death threats are not a serious danger. Yes, most are empty threats made by people who are joking, trolling, or just want attention. But if someone kills your cat, nails it to your front door with a note around it's neck saying, "YOU'RE NEXT!" I don't think you'd be casually dismissing it with, "What must be held in mind, always, that most - if not all - death threats are just that and that doesn't make them dangerous".

 

[BluesDriver66]

we also have to understand how much must be kept secret from the public about 'unidentified' objects because to reveal too much would mean letting the ways of collecting such material out of the bag, potentially putting the ability of the US gov't to keep tabs on the development of air/space craft by other nations (especially nations whose interests are anti-american) and maybe lives in jeopardy. It has to be weighed against the rightful desires of people to know, but governments are elected to do the job of protecting their populations. There'll always be the scales these things are measured on.

Secrecy in government is way out of hand. No one saying we should publish nuclear launch codes on the front pages of The York Times, but keeping tax payers in the dark about the nature of our existence and our place in the universe is criminal. It would be like concealing the fact that the Earth revolves around the sun or that E=mc2.

That we as a species are so frightened we hide basic truths from ourselves for reasons of security is absurd. Knowledge is always better than ignorance. Acknowledging alien presence on Earth along with captured UFOs will not embolden or facilitate a Russian or Chinese invasion and domination of the U.S.

The only people this policy protects are those who want to consolidate power and wealth this technology will bring. It has nothing to do national security or protecting the American people. It's a power grab. I'll be damned if I'd accept that these government and corporate actors acting in secret to protect me from the truth are doing so in my best interest.

 

[coati]

I'll be damned is I'd accept that these government and corporate actors acting in secret to protect me from the truth are doing so in my best interest.

BlueDrivel, be afraid. Be very, very afraid.

Flying saucers might land in your back yard tonight, and the Gummint will give you no warning whatsoever...

 

[BluesDriver66]

BlueDrivel, be afraid. Be very, very afraid.

Flying saucers might land in your back yard tonight, and the Gummint will give you no warning whatsoever...

You ever notice the dumbest comments come from people who make up silly derivative names for people they disagree with? It's like they can't come up with a coherent argument that actually addresses the topic being discussed so the revert to the mentality of a 12 year old on a school yard play ground.

If you want my attention say something smart or at least thought provoking. Behaving like a 12 year old jackass only makes you look like a 12 year old jackass.

 

[Lazaran]

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No, Virginia, there is no Santa Claus. And no, Hillary didn’t have him disappeared.

Experimental drones, aircraft, and mis-identified ballon’s / atmospheric phenomena can explain every “sighting”.

The advances in human technology are also easily explained without extraterrestrial intervention.

*nods*

 

[BluesDriver66]

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No, Virginia, there is no Santa Claus. And no, Hillary didn’t have him disappeared.

Experimental drones, aircraft, and mis-identified ballon’s/ atmospheric phenomena can explain every “sighting”.

The advances in human technology are also easily explained without extraterrestrial intervention.

*nods*

You would be absolutely and completely wrong. Declassified documents obtained through the U.S. Freedom of Information Act debunks this nonsense.

The 1947 Twining UFO Memo Still Matters​

Everything old is new again. A “smoking gun” of the UFO era, the Twining Memorandum, written in 1947, is more relevant than ever. It says UFOs are real and that we don’t make them.​

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United States Air Force General Nathan Farragut Twining was a very big deal. During World War Two, he was considered an outstanding commander of bombing operations in both the European and Pacific theaters. After the war, then Lieutenant General Twining was named Commanding General of the military’s Air Materiel Command, working with the Air Technical Intelligence Center at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base. It was in this esteemed capacity that he was asked to write a secret memo about UFOs in 1947 for Brigadier General George Schulgen, Chief of the Air Intelligence Requirements Division at the Pentagon.

Twining put his name to a high level “coordinated” memo from extremely in-the-know officers and scientists on September 23rd, 1947 in which he stated his considered opinion (and theirs) that UFOs were real and had capabilities he did not believe the U.S. had yet achieved.

https://medium.com/on-the-trail-of-the-saucers/twining-memo-ufo-c719bed1d287

The Full Transcript
September 23, 1947
SUBJECT: AMC Opinion Concerning “Flying Discs”
TO: Commanding General
Army Air Forces
Washington 25, D.C.
ATTENTION: Brig. General George Schulgen, AC/AS-2

1. As requested by AC/AS-2 there is presented below the considered opinion of this command concerning the so-called “Flying Discs.” This opinion is based on interrogation report data furnished by AC/AS-2 and preliminary studies by personnel of T-2 and Aircraft Laboratory, Engineering Division T-3. This opinion was arrived at in a conference between personnel from the Air Institute of Technology, Intelligence T-2, Office, Chief of Engineering Division, and the Aircraft, Power Plant and Propeller Laboratories of Engineering Division T-3.
2. It is the opinion that:

a. The phenomenon is something real and not visionary or fictitious.
b. There are objects probably approximating the shape of a disc, of such appreciable size as to appear to be as large as man-made aircraft.
c. There is a possibility that some of the incidents may be caused by natural phenomena, such as meteors.
d. The reported operating characteristics such as extreme rates of climb, maneuverability (particularly in roll), and motion which must be considered evasive when sighted or contacted by friendly aircraft and radar, lend belief to the possibility that some of the objects are controlled either manually, automatically or remotely.
e. The apparent common description is as follows:
(1) Metallic or light reflecting surface.
(2) Absence of trail, except in a few instances where the object apparently was operating under high performance conditions.
(3) Circular or elliptical in shape, flat on bottom and domed on top.
(4) Several reports of well kept formation flights varying from three to nine objects.
(5) Normally no associated sound, except in three instances a substantial rumbling roar was noted.
(6) Level flight speeds normally above 300 knots are estimated.
f. It is possible within the present U.S. knowledge — provided extensive detailed development is undertaken — to construct a piloted aircraft which has the general description of the object in sub- paragraph (e) above which would be capable of an approximate range of 7000 miles at subsonic speeds.
g. Any development in this country along the lines indicated would be extremely expensive, time consuming and at the considerable expense of current projects and therefore, if directed, should be set up independently of existing projects.
h. Due consideration must be given the following:-
(1) The possibility that these objects are of domestic origin — the product of some high security project not known to AC/AS-2 or this Command.
(2) The lack of physical evidence in the shape of crash recovered exhibits which would undeniably prove the existence of these subjects.
(3) The possibility that some foreign nation has a form of propulsion possibly nuclear, which is outside of our domestic knowledge.

3. It is recommended that:

a. Headquarters, Army Air Forces issue a directive assigning a priority, security classification and Code name for a detailed study of this matter to include the preparation of complete sets of all available and pertinent data which will then be made available to the Army, Navy, Atomic Energy Commission, JRDB, the Air Force Scientific Advisory Group, NACA, and the RAND and NEPA projects for comments and recommendations, with a preliminary report to be forwarded within 15 days of receipt of the data and a detailed report thereafter every 30 days as the investigation develops. A complete interchange of data should be affected.

4. Awaiting a specific directive AMC will continue the investigation within its current resources in order to more closely define the nature of the phenomenon. Detailed Essential Elements of Information will be formulated immediately for transmittal thru channels.
N.F. TWINING
Lieutenant General, U.S.A.
Commanding

 

[butters]

from 1947? really?

i'm not suggesting a government must keep all knowledge of aliens from humanity... my point had more to do with most, IF NOT ALL, ufo sightings are to do with human technology, advances in science, and experimental stuff being tested.

 

[butters]

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No, Virginia, there is no Santa Claus. And no, Hillary didn’t have him disappeared.

Experimental drones, aircraft, and mis-identified ballon’s / atmospheric phenomena can explain every “sighting”.

The advances in human technology are also easily explained without extraterrestrial intervention.

*nods*

i won't commit to 100% of the sightings as i honestly would love to have confirmation of other life...but then i might not really know what to do with that, either. i know what i've seen, myself, and how it was like nothing i was aware humans had developed but then that was at least 20 years ago and i would have absolutely no realistic idea of what any advanced nation had or had not developed by then.

 

[Lazaran]

i won't commit to 100% of the sightings as i honestly would love to have confirmation of other life...but then i might not really know what to do with that, either. i know what i've seen, myself, and how it was like nothing i was aware humans had developed but then that was at least 20 years ago and i would have absolutely no realistic idea of what any advanced nation had or had not developed by then.

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Don’t feel bad:

UFOs rev up our imaginations and make us dare to wonder about highly-intelligent life beyond Earth. But retired astronaut Scott Kelly is here to tell us that many UFO sightings are probably just our eyes playing tricks on us.

Kelly was part of a panel that convened on Wednesday at NASA headquarters to discuss UFOs, what NASA now refers to as unidentified aerial phenomenon. He described a time when he was flying and his radar intercept office (RIO) thought he spotted a UFO.

"I remember one time I was flying in the warning areas off of Virginia Beach military operating area and my RIO — the guy who sits in the back of the Tomcat — was convinced we flew by a UFO," Kelly said. "So I didn't see it. We turned around. We went to go look at it. It turns out it was Bart Simpson — a balloon."

When the best of the best trained military people mistake a Bart Simpson balloon for a UFO, I think everyone else gets a pass.

 

[BluesDriver66]

from 1947? really?

i'm not suggesting a government must keep all knowledge of aliens from humanity... my point had more to do with most, IF NOT ALL, ufo sightings are to do with human technology, advances in science, and experimental stuff being tested.

Yes. 1947. Really.

And my point is, most IF NOT ALL death threats have to do with people joking, trolling, or seeking attention. That doesn't mean you can ignore all death threats because the vast majority are bogus. If some clown on the internet tells me to "fuck off and die you idiot" I'm not running authorities crying about how I am in fear of my life. If somebody starts killing my pets and writing me death threats in blood that would be a different matter.

Conversely if on-duty jet fighter pilots and military intelligence officers are reporting UFO activity that is completely different than some random person who saw lights in the sky one night they couldn't identify.

 

[butters]

my middle kid, back when he was around 10-12, insisted on having seen a small dark object flying past windows . this would have been about 20 years back. i never saw it, but from what we know today it really reallllly sounded like a small drone, possibly built by some smartarse or a present from indulgent parents and being used to snoop in people's bedroom windows of an evening! there was a whole lot of stuff being built at home by computer-savvy kids and those toy r.c helicopters were quite popular.

 

[BluesDriver66]

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Don’t feel bad:

UFOs rev up our imaginations and make us dare to wonder about highly-intelligent life beyond Earth. But retired astronaut Scott Kelly is here to tell us that many UFO sightings are probably just our eyes playing tricks on us.

Kelly was part of a panel that convened on Wednesday at NASA headquarters to discuss UFOs, what NASA now refers to as unidentified aerial phenomenon. He described a time when he was flying and his radar intercept office (RIO) thought he spotted a UFO.

"I remember one time I was flying in the warning areas off of Virginia Beach military operating area and my RIO — the guy who sits in the back of the Tomcat — was convinced we flew by a UFO," Kelly said. "So I didn't see it. We turned around. We went to go look at it. It turns out it was Bart Simpson — a balloon."

When the best of the best trained military people mistake a Bart Simpson balloon for a UFO, I think everyone else gets a pass.

So they didn't report a Bart Simpson balloon as alien spacecraft? That just proves the point that jet fighter pilots don't report UFO activity willy nilly.

 

[Lazaran]

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The point were over BD66’s head like a Bart Simpson balloon.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

So they didn't report a Bart Simpson balloon as alien spacecraft? That just proves the point that jet fighter pilots don't report UFO activity willy nilly.

No it doesn’t.

 

[VinnyVeritas]

Our government is akin to a teen-age girl with a secret she swore "on cross her heart" she would never tell and then blabs at the first opportunity because she just cannot keep a secret.

They don't have any fucking flying saucers...

It's more like a cult and many of the replies here pretty much underline that sentiment.

You have to believe, I mean, truly believe.

Like Bigfoot hunters...

 

[ll74]

Talking to yourself again. How fun

 

[VinnyVeritas]

Trying to self-validate yourself again. How rough.

 

[drusus]

Still the obsession with fuzzy blobs, locking up pilots, and vague reports from 'top officials'. Sorry, TOP OFFICIALS!!!!

To quote your OP:

SHOCK REPORT! U.S. Government in Possession of several UFO's (Intact and Partially Intact)​

Had them for about 70 years according to you, but not a single word on what these UFOs actually look like. Nothing.

Your aliens are advanced enough to cross vast expanses of space, yet haven't worked out that flying in to the floor is a bad idea. They always crash away from populated areas, and spend their entire time in the United States, ignoring the rest of the world. It's like they've been watching the same bad movies as the UFO conspiracy theorists.

 

[BluesDriver66]

Still the obsession with fuzzy blobs, locking up pilots, and vague reports from 'top officials'. Sorry, TOP OFFICIALS!!!!

To quote your OP:

SHOCK REPORT! U.S. Government in Possession of several UFO's (Intact and Partially Intact)​

Had them for about 70 years according to you, but not a single word on what these UFOs actually look like. Nothing.

Your aliens are advanced enough to cross vast expanses of space, yet haven't worked out that flying in to the floor is a bad idea. They always crash away from populated areas, and spend their entire time in the United States, ignoring the rest of the world. It's like they've been watching the same bad movies as the UFO conspiracy theorists.

Descriptions of UFO's are everywhere. Some of the most legendary reports of UFO activity come from U.K., France, Belgium, Mexico, Australia, South Africa, etc. Why and where they crash is a mystery just like where they come from, why they are here, the capabilities and limititations of their technology, etc. That's why people are calling for investigations.

Both the United States Senate and Congress are planning hearings to look into these matters. These are serious issues being taken seriously by "TOP OFFICIALS" in the United States government. Your dismissive attitudes are the minority opinion among Senators and Congresspersons responsible for intelligence issues and national security and the general public at large.

65% of Americans believe in aliens, new poll finds​

Fifty-one percent of Americans believe UFOs reported by military personnel are likely evidence of intelligent alien life, according to a new poll released by Pew last week.

https://www.axios.com/2021/07/06/aliens-exist-poll

Poll: Many believe government hiding what it knows on UFOs ​

57% of people polled say government has more info about UFOs than public

New polling shows a majority of voters believe the U.S. government knows more about UFOs than it says it does.


In a poll of 1,500 eligible U.S. voters carried out by Redfield & Wilton Strategies exclusively for Newsweek, 57% of respondents believed that the government has more information about UFOs and alien life than it has publicly revealed.


Another 21% said they did not think this was the case and 22% said they did not know.


Members of Congress have recently said they want to investigate UFOs after claims made by David Grusch, a former member of the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency. Grush spoke in June to investigative journalist Ross Coulthart on NewsNation about his time in Congress’ Unidentified Aerial Phenomena task force, which is now called the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office, or AARO.

https://www.newsnationnow.com/space/ufo/poll-government-hiding-what-it-knows-ufos/

 

[drusus]

Descriptions of UFO's are everywhere. Some of the most legendary reports of UFO activity come from U.K., France, Belgium, Mexico, Australia, South Africa, etc. Why and where they crash is a mystery just like where they come from, why they are here, the capabilities and limititations of their technology, etc. That's why people are calling for investigations.

Both the United States Senate and Congress are planning hearings to look into these matters. These are serious issues being taken seriously by "TOP OFFICIALS" in the United States government. Your dismissive attitudes are the minority opinion among Senators and Congresspersons responsible for intelligence issues and national security and the general public at large.

65% of Americans believe in aliens, new poll finds​

Fifty-one percent of Americans believe UFOs reported by military personnel are likely evidence of intelligent alien life, according to a new poll released by Pew last week.

https://www.axios.com/2021/07/06/aliens-exist-poll

Poll: Many believe government hiding what it knows on UFOs ​

57% of people polled say government has more info about UFOs than public

New polling shows a majority of voters believe the U.S. government knows more about UFOs than it says it does.


In a poll of 1,500 eligible U.S. voters carried out by Redfield & Wilton Strategies exclusively for Newsweek, 57% of respondents believed that the government has more information about UFOs and alien life than it has publicly revealed.


Another 21% said they did not think this was the case and 22% said they did not know.


Members of Congress have recently said they want to investigate UFOs after claims made by David Grusch, a former member of the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency. Grush spoke in June to investigative journalist Ross Coulthart on NewsNation about his time in Congress’ Unidentified Aerial Phenomena task force, which is now called the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office, or AARO.

https://www.newsnationnow.com/space/ufo/poll-government-hiding-what-it-knows-ufos/

People see things they can't explain all the time. I was once on a plane near a lady who was convinced that we were being followed by a UFO. It was her first redeye, and she didn't know there was a red light on the wingtip. Polls of what people believe aren't evidence of anything. Nor is hearsay.

You clearly spend an unhealthy amount of your time reading about this stuff yet continue to avoid the core issues that would give your accounts some credibility.

If people have seen these spaceships up close, what do they look like?

Show a single piece of technology that's been derived from them.

If Congress is going to waste time on this, then these are the types of questions they should be asking.

 

[BluesDriver66]

People see things they can't explain all the time. I was once on a plane near a lady who was convinced that we were being followed by a UFO. It was her first redeye, and she didn't know there was a red light on the wingtip. Polls of what people believe aren't evidence of anything. Nor is hearsay.

You clearly spend an unhealthy amount of your time reading about this stuff yet continue to avoid the core issues that would give your accounts some credibility.

If people have seen these spaceships up close, what do they look like?

Show a single piece of technology that's been derived from them.

If Congress is going to waste time on this, then these are the types of questions they should be asking.

Figures you would believe being informed on the subject you're discussing is somehow unhealthy. It fairly obvious you prefer ignorance over knowledge and shooting your mouth off about things you know nothing about. Your personal experiences with some random stranger are meaningless. The eyewitness testimony of multiple jet fighter pilots, radar operators, and intelligence officers carries infinitely more weight than some lady you met on a plane.

The U.S. Senate and Congress are taking these incidents seriously and have more faith in the service men and women who risk their lives everyday to protect the freedom of people like you. These hearings are going forward whether you like it or not. Buckle up buttercup. You're about to get your whole little world rocked. When you hear people concerned about mass hysteria if the alien presence is revealed they are talking about you. You're on the edge of total freak out over this topic.

 

[Bray123]

NASA spends billions on trying to find signs of intelligent (or unintelligent) life in space. Why don't they just ask the government for a look?

 

[drusus]

Figures you would believe being informed on the subject you're discussing is somehow unhealthy. It fairly obvious you prefer ignorance over knowledge and shooting your mouth off about things you know nothing about. Your personal experiences with some random stranger are meaningless. The eyewitness testimony of multiple jet fighter pilots, radar operators, and intelligence officers carries infinitely more weight than some lady you met on a plane.

The U.S. Senate and Congress are taking these incidents seriously and have more faith in the service men and women who risk their lives everyday to protect the freedom of people like you. These hearings are going forward whether you like it or not. Buckle up buttercup. You're about to get your whole little world rocked. When you hear people concerned about mass hysteria if the alien presence is revealed they are talking about you. You're on the edge of total freak out over this topic.

An obsession with a conspiracy theory is never healthy.

You keep quoting all of these military people, but how are you hearing about these lights in the sky? Do you know them? have you spoken to them? Or are you just pulling things from other conspiracy theorists and repeating them as if they're established fact?

To quote your OP again.

Intelligence Officials Say U.S. Has Retrieved Craft of Non-Human Origin​

A former intelligence official turned whistleblower has given Congress and the Intelligence Community Inspector General extensive classified information about deeply covert programs that he says possess retrieved intact and partially intact craft of non-human origin.

Other intelligence officials, both active and retired, with knowledge of these programs through their work in various agencies, have independently provided similar, corroborating information, both on and off the record.

Grusch said the recoveries of partial fragments through and up to intact vehicles have been made for decades through the present day by the government, its allies, and defense contractors

There's no need to talk about blobs on cameras and lights in the sky. Congress can issue a subpoena to Grusch and his intelligence contacts, and ask about the spaceships in hangers. Specific information, not vague conjecture and hearsay. They are either there or they aren't. If they are, let's hear about them.

If you can come up with anything to support your screaming headline I would be really interested. So far you've avoided the question and it's eleven pages of nothing. I'll do my best to contain my hysteria in the meantime.