McCarthy’s Big Win Forces Biden & Dems to the Table

[BabyBoomer50s]

He got it via reps who knew the chances of that bill actually ending up being signed were nil.
Besides, this is exactly the sort of thing where when the Democrats do it, the likes of you say it's Pelosi ruling her delegation with an iron fist. When McCarthy does it, it's remarkable Republican unity, isn't it?

Against nearly all expectations, he got that bill passed and flipped the script on Democrats. The right can lament Pelosi for ruling with “an iron fist” all they want, but the fact remains she was one of the most effective Speakers in American history at keeping her members together. McCarthy doesn’t have the iron fist option. He got the job by the skin of his teeth and is in an extremely vulnerable position to retain it. He had to unify his members by taking a bottoms up approach. So yes, the win really is remarkable.

 

[ll74]

Against nearly all expectations, he got that bill passed and flipped the script on Democrats. The right can lament Pelosi for ruling with “an iron fist” all they want, but the fact remains she was one of the most effective Speakers in American history at keeping her members together. McCarthy doesn’t have the iron fist option. He got the job by the skin of his teeth and is in an extremely vulnerable position to retain it. He had to unify his members by taking a bottoms up approach. So yes, the win really is remarkable.

He put everything into it that he was told to do.

He won't last as speaker.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Against nearly all expectations, he got that bill passed and flipped the script on Democrats. The right can lament Pelosi for ruling with “an iron fist” all they want, but the fact remains she was one of the most effective Speakers in American history at keeping her members together. McCarthy doesn’t have the iron fist option. He got the job by the skin of his teeth and is in an extremely vulnerable position to retain it. He had to unify his members by taking a bottoms up approach. So yes, the win really is remarkable.

McCarthy managed to cobble together a fragile barebones coalition of bomb throwing extremists and the rank and file Republicans (by adding in deeply unpopular "fuck the poor and the veterans" cuts so popular on the extreme right). There is no fucking way this will be passed by the Senate, much less get Biden to negoiate a "deal". It's a canard.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

McCarthy managed to cobble together a fragile barebones coalition of bomb throwing extremists and the rank and file Republicans (by adding in deeply unpopular "fuck the poor and the veterans" cuts so popular on the extreme right). There is no fucking way this will be passed by the Senate, much less get Biden to negoiate a "deal". It's a canard.

Nobody expects the House bill to become signed into law. Both chambers must pass legislation and reconcile differences in conference. One chamber has passed a debt ceiling bill, the other has not. It is unclear how the Senate majority leader will find 59 or 60 votes to pass a bill.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Nobody expects the House bill to become signed into law. Both chambers must pass legislation and reconcile differences in conference. One chamber has passed a debt ceiling bill, the other has not. It is unclear how the Senate majority leader will find 59 or 60 votes to pass a bill.

Debt ceiling bills require a simple majority to pass. I don't know where you get this "59 or 60" figure from. In any event, "Biden" is not negotiating anything,

 

[Lazaran]

McCarthy managed to cobble together a fragile barebones coalition of bomb throwing extremists and the rank and file Republicans (by adding in deeply unpopular "fuck the poor and the veterans" cuts so popular on the extreme right). There is no fucking way this will be passed by the Senate, much less get Biden to negoiate a "deal". It's a canard.

BabyBoobs and the other RWCJ “members “ have to tell themselves that Weaker mccarthy’s DOA bill was a “big win”, because they’ve got nothing else.

The “fuck the poor and veteran” cuts are only the beginning. Just wait til the “republicans” make President Biden look like a sage genius and float cuts to Social Security and Medicare again. - The trap set by President Biden at the State of the Union address will eventually close on the “republicans”.

 

[HisArpy]

Nobody expects the House bill to become signed into law. Both chambers must pass legislation and reconcile differences in conference. One chamber has passed a debt ceiling bill, the other has not. It is unclear how the Senate majority leader will find 59 or 60 votes to pass a bill.

Don't worry, the swamp will figure out which members have enough cover that they can vote for the recurring crap sandwich debt increase without voter reprisals.

They are politicians after all. Which means they only owe allegiance to getting their hands on as much of our money as they can while telling us that fiscal and moral bankruptcy is good for us.

 

[icanhelp1]

Against nearly all expectations, he got that bill passed and flipped the script on Democrats. The right can lament Pelosi for ruling with “an iron fist” all they want, but the fact remains she was one of the most effective Speakers in American history at keeping her members together. McCarthy doesn’t have the iron fist option. He got the job by the skin of his teeth and is in an extremely vulnerable position to retain it. He had to unify his members by taking a bottoms up approach. So yes, the win really is remarkable.

I don’t see her being the most effective, she was the most divisive. She singled handedly broke the house as a functional unit. As speaker her duty was to represent all constituents on both sides of the isle. She used majority party tyranny to push HER agenda not the people’s will. Any fucking idiot with a majority can push party loyalty, it takes a speaker who can transcend party politics for the benefit of the American people. What I saw were a bunch of democrat cowards too fearful to represent their constituents and stand up to that tyrant. That’s one reason why republicans seem to be in disarray, they are not intimidated by party leadership and vote what they believe. If you want party loyalty that job should sit on the shoulder of the house majority leader. Would you be comfortable with Pelosi as president, if the left says yes and the right says no then that indicates she’s a failure. She basically ignored half the country. IMHO

Im sure YB will go through all his google searches and find a speaker back 150 years or so ago that trended like Pelosi. LOL

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Debt ceiling bills require a simple majority to pass. I don't know where you get this "59 or 60" figure from. In any event, "Biden" is not negotiating anything,

The Wall Street Journal and numerous other major news organizations covering the story have reported the number of votes needed to pass a debt ceiling bill. WSJ is paywalled but here are a couple that are not:

“Any debt ceiling bill backed by Democrats would need at least nine Republican votes to pass the Senate (perhaps 10, with Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., out indefinitely because of illness).”
NBC News

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/three-paths-raising-debt-limit-are-murky-rcna81987
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“Any debt or spending bill needs 60 votes to pass in the Senate.”
PBS
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/5-things-to-know-about-the-debt-ceiling-crunch

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

I don’t see her being the most effective, she was the most divisive. She singled handedly broke the house as a functional unit. As speaker her duty was to represent all constituents on both sides of the isle. She used majority party tyranny to push HER agenda not the people’s will. Any fucking idiot with a majority can push party loyalty, it takes a speaker who can transcend party politics for the benefit of the American people. What I saw were a bunch of democrat cowards too fearful to represent their constituents and stand up to that tyrant. That’s one reason why republicans seem to be in disarray, they are not intimidated by party leadership and vote what they believe. If you want party loyalty that job should sit on the shoulder of the house majority leader. Would you be comfortable with Pelosi as president, if the left says yes and the right says no then that indicates she’s a failure. She basically ignored half the country. IMHO

Im sure YB will go through all his google searches and find a speaker back 150 years or so ago that trended like Pelosi. LOL

I did not praise the legislation she got passed. I stated the obvious fact that she kept her members in line and delivered the critical votes needed for passage of trillions in wasteful spending and voluminous destructive regulations under Obama and Biden.

 

[RobDownSouth]

The Wall Street Journal and numerous other major news organizations covering the story have reported the number of votes needed to pass a debt ceiling bill. WSJ is paywalled but here are a couple that are not:

“Any debt ceiling bill backed by Democrats would need at least nine Republican votes to pass the Senate (perhaps 10, with Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., out indefinitely because of illness).”
NBC News

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/three-paths-raising-debt-limit-are-murky-rcna81987
—————————

“Any debt or spending bill needs 60 votes to pass in the Senate.”
PBS
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/5-things-to-know-about-the-debt-ceiling-crunch

I stand corrected. The Debt ceiling bill passed in 2021 with a one-time filibuster exemption. I was mistaken and thought it was a permanent exception. Mea Culpa.

Having said that, I still believe President Biden will not negotiate with MAGA terrorists.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

I stand corrected. The Debt ceiling bill passed in 2021 with a one-time filibuster exemption. I was mistaken and thought it was a permanent exception. Mea Culpa.

Having said that, I still believe President Biden will not negotiate with MAGA terrorists.

Compromise on both sides will be essential.

 

[Comshaw]

The House has passed a bill raising the debt ceiling. We now need the Senate to pass a bill but majority leader Schumer has done nothing. He seems to forget that his party won the majority last year.

He has done nothing because, by the constitution, he can do nothing UNTILL the house presents a bill.

"All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills."

Now that the House has presented a bill, the Senate can address it. So blaming Schumer for doing nothing is disingenuous because he can't do ANYTHING until the House does. They've been sitting on their thumbs for 4 months so it isn't the Senate that has delayed things. Even if he could, the Republicans know what it will be, a "clean" raise on the debt limit. They were told that BEFORE they started working on the bill they passed.

So all this arguing over what maybe is futile. Let's see what happens next, see who blinks first. Personally, I think it's asinine to go through this at this time. The budget talks are the time to do this not now when we need to pay the bills we have already incurred.

Actually, if the Republicans were serious about addressing the deficit they would go about it with a combination of spending cuts and tax hikes to balance things out, then put a limit on it going forward. But that isn't going to happen. So how close will come to defaulting? How much damage are the leaders of our country ready to do to our monetary reputation, and in extension to the economy of the world? Stupid ass games.

As an aside think about this, what if the House had the same filibuster rule the Senate does, that they need a 2/3rds affirmative vote to pass legislation? Would anything ever get done? If it's such a good thing to use to foster bipartisanship (as has been argued to support the Senate filibuster rule), why doesn't the House have such a rule? Maybe because it causes gridlock and gums up the works and nothing would ever get done? Yeah, like that.

Comshaw

 

[Rightguide]

Every time I see a political thread on this site I roll my fucking eyes! Nothing about politics is arousing. Turn off the news and read some lit!

So get out and join the other forums.

 

[Rightguide]

I stand corrected. The Debt ceiling bill passed in 2021 with a one-time filibuster exemption. I was mistaken and thought it was a permanent exception. Mea Culpa.

Having said that, I still believe President Biden will not negotiate with MAGA terrorists.

Because he's mentally incompetent to carry on a negotiation of any kind, you're probably right. A team of his communists will be negotiating.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Because he's mentally incompetent to carry on a negotiation of any kind, you're probably right. A team of his communists will be negotiating.

You haven't held a job since Y2K but it's Biden who is mentally incompetent?
I
Don't
Think
So

 

[Rightguide]

You haven't held a job since Y2K but it's Biden who is mentally incompetent?
I
Don't
Think
So

Actually, I'm employed right now and have been for most of my life. But back to the hapless crime lord in the White House. He doesn't have the mental capacity for a detailed budget negotiation. He can't even follow the details on his friggin' cue cards. He has to be led around and managed by human service dogs. He isn't going to be doing any negotiating, he's only going to be sighing off, with Jill pointing to the signature line, on what his team of conspirators comes up with. You know this is true.

 

[YDB95]

I don’t see her being the most effective, she was the most divisive.

More divisive than Gingrich? Did you sleep through the 1990s?

She singled handedly broke the house as a functional unit.

Depends on your perspective. You could just as easily say she was amazingly effective in getting things done - which of course is what you hate about her.

As speaker her duty was to represent all constituents on both sides of the isle.

Not really. If you want to talk original intent, this wasn't it for one simple reason: the framers didn't think there would be an aisle (I assume that's what you mean rather than "both sides of the isle" - what island, exactly?). In any event, most speakers have also effectively been partisan leaders for a very long time now, as in since long before the Civil War.

And judging by her track record back in San Francisco, it's fair to conclude Pelosi's constituents believe she represented them quite well. I don't know about "both sides of the [a]isle", but if I ever come across any Republicans in SF, I'll ask.

She used majority party tyranny to push HER agenda not the people’s will.

If the people's will had been any too different from her agenda, she wouldn't have been elected Speaker, Ican't.

Any fucking idiot with a majority can push party loyalty, it takes a speaker who can transcend party politics for the benefit of the American people.

You mean like Obama tried to do for two long years and the Republicans never gave an inch? You've got me there, it would take someone very special indeed to do that.

What I saw were a bunch of democrat cowards too fearful to represent their constituents and stand up to that tyrant.

Of course that's what you saw. You're a paranoid right-winger who believes in the Clinton Death List.

That’s one reason why republicans seem to be in disarray, they are not intimidated by party leadership and vote what they believe.

Erm, no. I do not believe for one minute that every last Republican in the house supports cutting veterans' benefits by 20%. Besides, there have been plenty of stories of Republican reps telling their Democratic colleagues off the record that they privately agree with them, but "we can't let you win".

If you want party loyalty that job should sit on the shoulder of the house majority leader.

Or strictly speaking, the whip.

Would you be comfortable with Pelosi as president, if the left says yes and the right says no then that indicates she’s a failure.

By that logic, every president ever has been a failure.

She basically ignored half the country. IMHO

Even if I agreed with that, it's only fair to ask, when there were elected members of Congress on the other side of the aisle who came to DC with the express goal to "kick that bitch out of Congress" (as the inimitable Marjorie Taylor Greene said in her first victory speech), exactly why should Pelosi have played nice with people like that?

Im sure YB will go through all his google searches and find a speaker back 150 years or so ago that trended like Pelosi. LOL

I don't need to Google anything. I know my history. Unlike you.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

43 Senate Republicans vow to oppose debt ceiling increase without spending cuts​

CNN —
All but six Senate Republicans on Saturday vowed to oppose raising the debt ceiling “without substantive spending and budget reforms,” backing up House Speaker Kevin McCarthy’s position.

#math

https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/06/poli...s-debt-ceiling-raise-spending-cuts/index.html

 

[Lazaran]

So 43 radical “republican “ senators are going to share in the blame with the radical house “republicans”???

AWESOME!!!



BabyBoobs

 

[Mrtenant]

So hows this 'win' gonna do in the Senate?

Hollow victory. Increase the debt limit like they always have done ffs. Extorting the U.S. economy, and the world economy is not a good look for the party of out of control spending and lawlessness.

 

[Rightguide]

McCarthy managed to cobble together a fragile barebones coalition of bomb throwing extremists and the rank and file Republicans (by adding in deeply unpopular "fuck the poor and the veterans" cuts so popular on the extreme right). There is no fucking way this will be passed by the Senate, much less get Biden to negoiate a "deal". It's a canard.

There are enough votes in the Senate to force Biden to negotiate:

Mike Lee: Senate Republicans Have ‘More Than Enough’ Votes To Block ‘Clean’ Debt Ceiling, Force Dems To Negotiate​

By John Rigolizzo
•
May 7, 2023 DailyWire.com

Senator Mike Lee (R-UT) said Sunday that he has more than enough votes to prevent Democrats from passing a “clean” debt ceiling increase.

Appearing on Fox News’s “Sunday Morning Futures,” Lee told host Maria Bartiromo that 45 Republicans, including himself, would vote against a bill that raises the debt ceiling without meaningful spending reforms. He said because of the Senate filibuster, that number is more than enough to block Democrats from passing a “clean” debt ceiling bill, and Lee believes that the conference will hold firm.

“As Kevin McCarthy, as Speaker of the House, meets with the White House, it’s imperative that he arrives position of negotiating power,” said Lee. “And to that end, we’ve got not only the Republican conference in the Senate backing what the Republicans in the House passed the week before last, we’ve also got a solid bloc of Republicans, more than enough, to block any sort of so-called ‘clean’ debt ceiling bill from going forward, anything that raises the debt ceiling without substantive spending and budgetary reforms.”

Lee said that 43 Republicans signed a letter to Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY) declaring their opposition to a clean debt ceiling bill, and two more promised to back the effort without signing the letter. In total, there are 45 Republicans who will vote to prevent ending the debate on a clean debt ceiling bill.

Mote humiliation for Rob here:

https://www.dailywire.com/news/mike...ck-clean-debt-ceiling-force-dems-to-negotiate

 

[Rightguide]

43 Senate Republicans Say No to Increasing Debt Limit Without Substantive Spending Cuts​

https://www.theepochtimes.com/43-se...utm_source=partner&utm_campaign=BonginoReport

Looks like Biden will be negotiating, as we all save Rob, knew he would.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

So hows this 'win' gonna do in the Senate?

Hollow victory. Increase the debt limit like they always have done ffs. Extorting the U.S. economy, and the world economy is not a good look for the party of out of control spending and lawlessness.

The Senate will have to pass a bill that can garner 60 votes.

 

[ll74]

The Senate will have to pass a bill that can garner 60 votes.

They're set to vote on legislation this week.