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[ElectricBlue]

Some of those anime cartoons (redundant phrasing?) are pretty elaborate, and they can be quite explicit too.

Sure, but the the guy was talking about the versions made by teenagers, which are probably not the highest form of the art. A bit like Lit, I guess, given the vast number of, "I'd just graduated from high school when..." stories you see here. Aim higher!

 

[SimonDoom]

Citing the American Constitution is not necessarily the best argument (not with me), not given what else it allows (or is interpreted to allow). Looking in from the outside, there are a number of elements in the Constitution that could do with a bit of a fix.

Your little Freudian slip sums it up nicely - even you don't seem fully confident that your current state of liberty is secure. Given your Supreme Court right now, I'd be nervous too. Let's wind back more clocks that I'm sure nobody thought could be wound back.

Boil a frog slowly, my friend, and it never knows how much trouble it's in.

My comment wasn't meant as a nationalistic boast, or a jab at Australia, but it seems like it was taken that way. I'm the first to concede the threats to free speech in this country. "Liberalism" in the classic sense of support for things like due process and freedom of speech is on the wane in this country on both the right and the left. But what I said before is true: prosecution of obscenity is exceedingly rare. There's little significant support I can see for changing that, unlike the situation with abortion. With the exception of child porn, you can get your hands on just about anything these days without a significant fear of prosecution. I don't see that changing. People, left and right, want their porn.

 

[ElectricBlue]

My comment wasn't meant as a nationalistic boast, or a jab at Australia, but it seems like it was taken that way. I'm the first to concede the threats to free speech in this country. "Liberalism" in the classic sense of support for things like due process and freedom of speech is on the wane in this country on both the right and the left. But what I said before is true: prosecution of obscenity is exceedingly rare. There's little significant support I can see for changing that, unlike the situation with abortion. With the exception of child porn, you can get your hands on just about anything these days without a significant fear of prosecution. I don't see that changing. People, left and right, want their porn.

No, I didn't take it that way, merely pointing out that the rest of the world may not hold the American Constitution in the same high esteem that Americans appear to. On face value it has some significant flaws, but you know what they are, I'm sure.

All I can say (again, looking in from the outside) that it seems many people never thought Wade vs Roe would ever get rolled back, either, but there you are. I'm not sure I'd be thinking porn is as safe as you think it is - but perhaps I underestimate the power of moral hypocrisy. As you say, everyone wants to get their rocks off, even those who pretend they're righteous.

I suppose I might be coming at this from the stupidity on Tumblr a few years ago when they banned "female forward facing nipples," because some fucktards couldn't manage women's naked breasts. So it's happened on one platform, could easily happen on another. All the more reason to keep the garbage out.

 

[BobbyBrandt]

If you don't go to such a college or have other connections, your script is going into one of the huge slush piles of unsolicited scripts that pile up at studios and agencies. I'll take a look at TaleFlick.com, but I bet that site is full of them too. Actually hiring an agent might be the way to go. I don't know how such agents work. Do they offer one free consultation session at the start?

You definitely need to be prepared to pitch yourself and your stories if you want to be heard over the traffic.

In my opinion, the key is to focus on finding agents who are actively seeking new clients in the genres that you write in. That is where sites like Manuscript Wish List and Query Tracker can be useful.

 

[gunhilltrain]

Sure, but the the guy was talking about the versions made by teenagers, which are probably not the highest form of the art. A bit like Lit, I guess, given the vast number of, "I'd just graduated from high school when..." stories you see here. Aim higher!

Well, I'm 67, and I think the oldest character I've had so far is about 45, maybe a bit more. So, indeed, many of my characters are college students or just beyond that, and the settings are mostly in the approximate time frame when I was that age myself. So sue me - and I don't know the reason why - but so far I have not been able to come up with stories about people even close to my age.

 

[KeithD]

In my opinion, the key is to focus on finding agents who are actively seeking new clients in the genres that you write in. That is where sites like Manuscript Wish List and Query Tracker can be useful.

I've never seen evidence of there being literary agents for the type of material most write at Literotica. And I've been writing in the area--and also in the world of agents--for a couple of decades now. There barely are publishing houses for this material--and then mostly just e-publishers (and fewer of those now than when I started publishing smut). Reality time.

 

[BobbyBrandt]

I've never seen evidence of there being literary agents for the type of material most write at Literotica. And I've been writing in the area--and also in the world of agents--for a couple of decades now. There barely are publishing houses for this material--and then mostly just e-publishers (and fewer of those now than when I started publishing smut). Reality time.

Let's face it, a literary agent gets paid to get books sold. Naturally, this tilts their interests towards genres that they feel are the most marketable, online or through retailers.

My wife recently purchased a paperback book at Target (you don't get much more mainstream retailer). It was categorized as a "romance", but by an author that she had never read before, Lucy Score (published by Bloom Books, the same publisher that handles EL James). I spend three nights listening to my wife complain about this book being filled with pornographic scenes. Now, my wife is no prude and doesn't hesitate to read erotica, even some of mine, but this book was more graphic than she expected, especially when she considered where she bought it from.

I didn't read the whole book, but I did scan through it to see if my wife might have been exaggerating. She wasn't. This story had some elements of romance, but it was also heavily into BDSM, non-con, and fetish, graphically described easily on a par with anything that you would find on Lit.

Obviously, I'm not inferring that lots of stories on Lit will soon be welcomed at Target or similar retailers, but this book, published by a middle-of-the-road publishing house proves that there is some interest out there that cannot be denied. Authors who want to take advantage of that interest will need to put the effort into finding it. This Lucy Score apparently did.

 

[KeithD]

Let's face it, a literary agent gets paid to get books sold. Naturally, this tilts their interests towards genres that they feel are the most marketable, online or through retailers.

I have faced it--over twenty-two years since my first published work (via a publisher--the e-publisher Newworldconcepts) of anything approaching what mostly appears on Literotica. Agents don't handle this material. There's every reason for the users here to know that.

 

[BobbyBrandt]

I have faced it--over twenty-two years since my first published work (via a publisher--the e-publisher Newworldconcepts) of anything approaching what mostly appears on Literotica. Agents don't handle this material. There's every reason for the users here to know that.

I don't often disagree with you but don't you think it is a bit presumptuous to claim that no writers here have a product that an agent or publisher would accept?

I don't attempt to publish my hard-core stuff anywhere but online here and SOL, but that doesn't mean that the material isn't worthy of consideration should I desire to explore presenting it.

I'm not saying that it would be easy, but as the Lucy Score example above demonstrates, it is possible. I see no reason to discourage those who want to try, but feel free to do so if that is your aim.

 

[XerXesXu]

I'm not saying that it would be easy, but as the Lucy Score example above demonstrates, it is possible. I see no reason to discourage those who want to try, but feel free to do so if that is your aim.

This, also, may be discouraging for those with an ambition to make a living from their writing.

Self-published authors earn more than traditionally published counterparts

 

[KeithD]

I don't often disagree with you but don't you think it is a bit presumptuous to claim that no writers here have a product that an agent or publisher would accept?

It would be if I had posted that, but I didn't, so . . .

I don't purposefully use the terms "no one" or "everyone" in reference to any user activity here. And, yes, I'm saying that agents (or mainstream publishers, for the matter) are a waste of time for nonestablished writers to look to for publishing erotica. There isn't enough money in it to include them--and just about not enough money in it to include the authors and publishers, either. I don't think that helping writers not waste their time and effort is a disservice to them.

I'm probably also saying you don't know what you are posting about--and that that means you are doing a disservice to Literotica users.

 

[MelissaBaby]

Except that it wouldn't get vetted by Laurel unless it got reported, and there seems to be a real reluctance from many here to do any kind of community policing.

If the "let them edit" approach prevailed, I can see some less scrupulous authors submitting and getting approved a sweet vanilla story, then coming back and editing in a complete new non-compliant story. And the site wouldn't know.

Yep. People rob banks, too. We still have banks.

 

[ChloeTzang]

I don't often disagree with you but don't you think it is a bit presumptuous to claim that no writers here have a product that an agent or publisher would accept?

I don't attempt to publish my hard-core stuff anywhere but online here and SOL, but that doesn't mean that the material isn't worthy of consideration should I desire to explore presenting it.

I'm not saying that it would be easy, but as the Lucy Score example above demonstrates, it is possible. I see no reason to discourage those who want to try, but feel free to do so if that is your aim.

I don't think Keith is claiming that - lol - he publishes quite successfully, but he was in in early on and is established

For myself, I have a couple of novels published thru a small ebook publisher - very much what I write here - and the publisher found me. I didn't approach them.

I'm also co-writing a more mainstream novel with an author who publishes thru a mainstream publisher - and he asked me, I didn't approach him - I wouldn't have had the temerity to do that.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, there are avenues there if you get yourself noticed. For myself, I stayed away from even trying to approach the romance publishers - they're incredibly formulaic, and financially, unless you hit out of the ballpark consistently, they drop you pretty quick and there's not that much money in it. There are writers from Literotica who have gone down that path quite successfully though, and I'm not knocking it. It's just not what I want to write.

 

[KeithD]

I don't think Keith is claiming that - lol - he publishes quite successfully, but he was in in early on and is established

I'd never claim I publish "quite successfully." I'm well heeled in life and have both the time and wherewithal not to care about what "quite successfully" even means in publishing. I love to write; I don't particularly like to sell.

But I make money both in publishing mysteries, espionage, and inspirationals to the mainstream, with mainstream publishers, and in publishing erotica with erotica publishers (checking just habu, Dirk Hessian, and Shabbu alone on Amazon will show well over 200 titles--all with publishers), and I have two decades of experience in knowing the difference between what you can do in both venues.

I could try to get an agent in the mainstream and maybe find one (but then I'd have to put a whole lot more effort into trying to make money from it for both of us and spend less time writing), but since I worked in publishing houses, I have bypassed them and get publishers by networking and trading services (I've been a publishing house managing editor). I couldn't find an agent for erotica. It's hard enough to even find a publisher for erotica (and that too is built on trading services). I don't bother trying and I wouldn't counsel anyone else posting to Literotica to waste time trying to find an agent for erotica unless they were established writers in other genres and had a track record of being able to cover an agent's fee. Maybe some here are that; I'm not claiming no one is. Each reader of this post can figure out for themselves where they fit in this. But I think that giving a reality check on this is a service based on actual experience in contrast to contrary "just what I think" discussion on this issue.

 

[NoTalentHack]

I meant to post this a couple of days ago but, ah, forgot. Tab's been open the whole time, too:

Everyone is Beautiful and No One is Horny

 

[tenyari]

Why aren't these stories made into movies?

Porn used to have complex plots and every so often one of the actors was actually really good but surrounded by fools.

The problem is that porn gets just as good of view rates from showing 3 minutes of hot action without any context. But it costs a lot less to make and you don't risk having SAG Union issues or whatever (I'm just guessing there - that the Screen Actors Guild would get involved, but not sure).

Lots of porn does hav a short plot before the action. All the various fetish porn needs to establish that 'these people are not just having sex, they're having sex around your fetish, so click on this one.'

But that kind of stuff is usually paper thin - just enough to get a viewer in without running up a budget.

 

[KeithD]

But that kind of stuff is usually paper thin - just enough to get a viewer in without running up a budget.

Which is why much of what gets posted to Literotica would be ideal for film use. Much of it is "quick setting/plotting" and getting down to it--and out. The volume of it at Literotica just would help feed fresh "quick setting/plotting" set ups.

 

[tenyari]

Which is why much of what gets posted to Literotica would be ideal for film use. Much of it is "quick setting/plotting" and getting down to it--and out. The volume of it at Literotica just would help feed fresh "quick setting/plotting" set ups.

Yeah that's a good point. It's possible some of it already has been so used. Either with or without the writer's permission.

That said - porn could probably use the quality improvement if even some of the short stroke stories that were well written got used.

I'm almost surprised no porn company has tried to hitch itself onto the side of this site and say "we've got the actors, you've got the scripts; lets get some lawyers and write contracts." Maybe they have and been rebuffed...

 

[oneagainst]

I'm almost surprised no porn company has tried to hitch itself onto the side of this site and say "we've got the actors, you've got the scripts; lets get some lawyers and write contracts." Maybe they have and been rebuffed...

It's got to have been done, right? Or maybe just lifted directly without reference, like that one with the babysitter and the pizza guy and, uh, wait....

Yeah, how would we ever tell?

 

[BobbyBrandt]

Remember about a year ago there was that British production company looking for writers here. They weren't interested in the stories here as much as finding writers to craft material for an adult puppet show themed television program.

 

[BobbyBrandt]

You mean something like this?

No, it was a planned adult program by RDF Television in Britain called the "Really Rude Puppet Show" where puppets would act out erotic scenes being narrated by some celebrity. They came here looking for writers of erotica.

 

[Kumquatqueen]

No, it was a planned adult program by RDF Television in Britain called the "Really Rude Puppet Show" were puppets would act out erotic scenes being narrated by some celebrity. They came here looking for writers of erotica.

OMG - they're really making it, starring Mel Giedroyc as the Narrator. Yes, the nice respectable one from the Great British Baking Show (aka Bake Off).

"Former Atomic Kitten singer Kerry Katona, 41, and ex pop star and actor Martin Kemp, 61, are said to have put themselves forward for the show which will see celebrities read out steamy stories with the help of a puppet.
A source told The Sun: 'Martin and Kerry have both agreed to take part in the Really Rude Puppet Show, along with Coleen Nolan, Sam Thompson and Melvin Odoom.
'They all jumped at the chance to get involved in the project which is turning out to be hilarious.'
A different celebrity will appear on each episode of the six-part series and they will read out the erotic fan fiction which has been written about them."

Broadcast date yet to be confirmed, but it seems to be really happening.

 

[BobbyBrandt]

OMG - they're really making it, starring Mel Giedroyc as the Narrator. Yes, the nice respectable one from the Great British Baking Show (aka Bake Off).

"Former Atomic Kitten singer Kerry Katona, 41, and ex pop star and actor Martin Kemp, 61, are said to have put themselves forward for the show which will see celebrities read out steamy stories with the help of a puppet.
A source told The Sun: 'Martin and Kerry have both agreed to take part in the Really Rude Puppet Show, along with Coleen Nolan, Sam Thompson and Melvin Odoom.
'They all jumped at the chance to get involved in the project which is turning out to be hilarious.'
A different celebrity will appear on each episode of the six-part series and they will read out the erotic fan fiction which has been written about them."

Broadcast date yet to be confirmed, but it seems to be really happening.

I know. I'm waiting to see the air dates.

 

[djrip]

OMG - they're really making it, starring Mel Giedroyc as the Narrator. Yes, the nice respectable one from the Great British Baking Show (aka Bake Off).

"Former Atomic Kitten singer Kerry Katona, 41, and ex pop star and actor Martin Kemp, 61, are said to have put themselves forward for the show which will see celebrities read out steamy stories with the help of a puppet.
A source told The Sun: 'Martin and Kerry have both agreed to take part in the Really Rude Puppet Show, along with Coleen Nolan, Sam Thompson and Melvin Odoom.
'They all jumped at the chance to get involved in the project which is turning out to be hilarious.'
A different celebrity will appear on each episode of the six-part series and they will read out the erotic fan fiction which has been written about them."

Broadcast date yet to be confirmed, but it seems to be really happening.

Wow! Could be as awesome as this:

 

[djrip]

I meant to post this a couple of days ago but, ah, forgot. Tab's been open the whole time, too:

Everyone is Beautiful and No One is Horny

What a great article! Starship troopers shower scene, that joint mom and dad smoked in Poltergeist... Things really were better back in the day.