LW Has Turned Into a Misogynist Wasteland

[NoTalentHack]

I agreed so hard, until recently. But now I'm getting the kink. I'm looking at it from the perspective of a guy with a humiliation fetish, who in real life might role play a scenario like this, coming to these stories to experience a visceral thrill by reading something that portrays the scenario as real. Like a woman might want to read about a real forceful rape/ravishment, thought in real life if she had that kink she would probably only role play it with trusted partners and safe words. In the story you can go farther, have the woman really have disdain for the cuck, really prefer the bull, but it's just a deeper layer of fantasy than an acted out scene. At least that's how I've been coming to understand it recently.

That's kind of my take, too. Just like a lot of the stuff in NC/R is really heavy NC stuff. No one (almost) actually wants that in RL, just like I/T is (hopefully) pure fantasy, but they want the extreme scenario to read/fantasize about. Almost no RL cucks want the horrible stuff that happens to the "protagonists" of the cuck/bull/hotwife stories that are as extreme as "husband constantly caged, wife impregnated with bull's children, wife has cruelly trapped him in this life," but they want to read that kind of extreme fantasy.

And, going back to what I said about the commenters that comment on especially the BTB stories, the ones who got hurt really badly by a cheating wife, that is about the furthest fucking thing from what they want to see, to the point where it's hard for them to "get" that this is just an extreme version of someone else's fantasy, just like the "wife leaves, husband hits the gym and becomes an Adonis, gets new wife 15 years younger, wife and affair partner spontaneously combust" that they want to read about.

 

[djrip]

That's kind of my take, too.

Makes sense, because your writings here and then in Kayfabe recently are 90% of why I'm starting to 'get' and appreciate these scenarios. Well you're helping me understand the humiliation side. Imstillfun and The_Shadow_Rising have a lot to do with my appreciation of the liberated wife's side.

 

[gunhilltrain]

When you simplify the theme and generalize to just a small handful of words, the regurgitation of plot happens in almost EVERY category.

IR: Black guys fucks a White woman.
Incest: Father fucks his daughter, mother fucks her son, brother fucks his sister.
Lesbian: One woman goes down on another woman.
Gay: One man blows or buttfucks another man.

See how simple those category themes are bulletized? It's like saying "All blonds are stupid."

Everything can be reduced to a handful of words (spoiler alerts!).

Titanic (actually, A Night to Remember is better): Ship sinks after hitting iceberg. Many die.
All Quiet on the Western Front: Bloody but pointless trench warfare.
Which brings us to Paths of Glory: Bloody but pointless trench warfare. Heartless general decides to shoot three men as an example.
Lolita: Pedophile marries woman to get access to her young daughter.
Anna Karenina: Married woman has affair with younger man. Commits suicide at the end.
Madame Bovary: Married woman has affair with younger man. Commits suicide at the end.

 

[Lifestyle66]

Everything can be reduced to a handful of words (spoiler alerts!).

Titanic (actually, A Night to Remember is better): Ship sinks after hitting iceberg. Many die.
All Quiet on the Western Front: Bloody but pointless trench warfare.
Which brings us to Paths of Glory: Bloody but pointless trench warfare. Heartless general decides to shoot three men as an example.
Lolita: Pedophile marries woman to get access to her young daughter.
Anna Karenina: Married woman has affair with younger man. Commits suicide at the end.
Madame Bovary: Married woman has affair with younger man. Commits suicide at the end.

That was my point to Tilan's comment: "...Many of the stories seem to be repetitive, recycling the same plot and worn-out cliches time and again. ... LW's writers are capable of regurgitating this same formula endlessly."

If you want to reduce LW to merely "Good husband and cheating wife", then that applies to all categories.

If some of the authors commenting and disparaging the LW category here in the AH would READ a hundred of the different stories in LW, they might find a broader range of themes.

My last three named stories tagged in my signature are all LW stories. Only one (Damaging Choices... ) is a BTB style story, and only because I followed the original author's invite to write an ending. I preferred my ending #5: the husband gave his cheating wife the choice to enter his dungeon where they could take turns beating their years of frustrations out of each other.

The other two are a "loving wife" AND husband having FUN!

 

[Lifestyle66]

I agree with you that generalization is not peculiar to LW. In fact, it's no more that way than other categories. What makes it peculiar, and sometimes disturbing, to me is

1) It's not erotic. It's interesting how the BTB stories are so popular even though they're not erotic. Maybe I'm wrong about that. Maybe the readers who love these stories feel a sort of revenge lust or a feeling of catharis or release from reading about the bad woman getting her just desserts that is like an orgasm.

2) The stories play on a warped, and largely false, perception that everywhere at large men are being taken advantage of by women, when on the whole this is NOT true.

3) The fans of these stories launch more hate at stories that don't fit their ideas than do fans of any other category, and it's not even close. Not remotely close. I don't understand the desire to rain on others' parades, but some BTB readers almost seem to think of it as a moral duty.

LW has the readers who look for friendly swinger stories ("extra-marital fun") AND the readers looking for "Loving Wife/cheating spouse gets what she deserves."

I have said this here in AH previously: For most other categories such a gay, lesbian, IR, BDSM, incest, etc the majority of those readers are mostly LOOKING FOR those stories in that category. As long as you give them what they want, they're mostly happy.

But the two types of readers I described for LW are opposites. You can't please them both. (And don't tell me all swinger stories should go into Group Sex, because swingers don't necessarily see themselves as having "orgies".)

 

[SimonDoom]

LW has the readers who look for friendly swinger stories ("extra-marital fun") AND the readers looking for "Loving Wife/cheating spouse gets what she deserves."

I have said this here in AH previously: For most other categories such a gay, lesbian, IR, BDSM, incest, etc the majority of those readers are mostly LOOKING FOR those stories in that category. As long as you give them what they want, they're mostly happy.

But the two types of readers I described for LW are opposites. You can't please them both. (And don't tell me all swinger stories should go into Group Sex, because swingers don't necessarily see themselves as having "orgies".)

I already know this, but the question is why the BTB readers are so intolerant of those who like other things. There are other categories with different subsets of readers. In incest, for example, some people like mother-son stories but can't abide father-daughter stories. You don't see the mother-son fans trashing and downvoting the father-daughter stories. They just choose not to read them. The hostility of the BTB crowd is unique at Literotica.

 

[Lifestyle66]

I already know this, but the question is why the BTB readers are so intolerant of those who like other things. There are other categories with different subsets of readers. In incest, for example, some people like mother-son stories but can't abide father-daughter stories. You don't see the mother-son fans trashing and downvoting the father-daughter stories. They just choose not to read them. The hostility of the BTB crowd is unique at Literotica.

Your incest examples are a nuanced variations, and those readers are quick to stop reading the ones they don't like. BUT they don't throw stones in glass houses.

The "fun swingers" versus "monogamy only, BTB crowd" are polar opposites!

 

[gunhilltrain]

That was my point to Tilan's comment: "...Many of the stories seem to be repetitive, recycling the same plot and worn-out cliches time and again. ... LW's writers are capable of regurgitating this same formula endlessly."

If you want to reduce LW to merely "Good husband and cheating wife", then that applies to all categories.

If some of the authors commenting and disparaging the LW category here in the AH would READ a hundred of the different stories in LW, they might find a broader range of themes.

My last three named stories tagged in my signature are all LW stories. Only one (Damaging Choices... ) is a BTB style story, and only because I followed the original author's invite to write an ending. I preferred my ending #5: the husband gave his cheating wife the choice to enter his dungeon where they could take turns beating their years of frustrations out of each other.

The other two are a "loving wife" AND husband having FUN!

Probably true, but I'd have trouble reading a hundred stories in LW or any other category. I sort of apologized for this before, but I have about forty favorite stories here, which averages out to about eight per year. Not sure why, but I guess I came here to write, not read. And shoot the breeze on AH.

 

[Thorlol]

I already know this, but the question is why the BTB readers are so intolerant of those who like other things. There are other categories with different subsets of readers. In incest, for example, some people like mother-son stories but can't abide father-daughter stories. You don't see the mother-son fans trashing and downvoting the father-daughter stories. They just choose not to read them. The hostility of the BTB crowd is unique at Literotica.

Like Lifestyle66 said, its monogamy vs everything else. Unfortunately for some people, both types belong into the LW section. No matter if its a story about adultery or about swinging, both deal with extra-marital sex. I actually think that people who believe in open relationships are as intolerant as people in closed relationship. Atleast thats my experience with two couples in a open relationship I am friends with.

They even came up with arguments like its the churchs fault that people are monogamous. Wich I find hilarious. Because I never believed in god and neither did my parents. The only times I put a foot into a church is for a wedding.

There are quite alot other examples, but those are not funny anymore and totally disregard my perception of myself and emotions that I am supposedely should not have.

That shows how tolerant they are.

But yeah, its not only the BTB crowd thats intolerant. Both sides are just incompatible. And I dont think the BTB crowd is somehow more eager to downvote stories about cuckolding and cheating. Or go out of their way to click on every story to downvote them.

They are just the majority and they vote accordingly. If you give 10 people who are into cuckolding a corresponding story it will score pretty high. Give it to 10 people who are not into that it will rate very low.

It also makes no sense to tell potential reader to not vote on stories they disagree with. It reflects what people think about the story. Its not like LW is somehow closed off from everything else on Lit and only hardcore BTB fans stay there. If there was such a hidden majority who are into cuckolding/cheating/swinging it would reflect on the score.

 

[other2other1]

I don’t know that splitting the category would help at all. haters going to hate regardless. For example, this past week I posted my first serious ‘Romance’ story. While I have gotten a lot of great comments (I do find romance tends to be more positive) i have received three emails telling me how pathetic I am and that I should ‘wander into the corner and die’.

The trolls and haters are unfortunately never going to go away, if anything they will likely get stronger as time goes by. Such is the amount of hurt and anger in so many people’s lives these days where the Internet is a great place to vent without anyone knowing who you are. Its a sad realit, but hard to deny.

Bill&Kate, please don’t stop writing LW, I love reading you’re stories, the emotion and time you put into those stories comes through regardless of the stupside comments that people leave. You were one of my original inspirations to start writing, so please don’t let the trolls win.

 

[gunhilltrain]

LW has the readers who look for friendly swinger stories ("extra-marital fun") AND the readers looking for "Loving Wife/cheating spouse gets what she deserves."

I have said this here in AH previously: For most other categories such a gay, lesbian, IR, BDSM, incest, etc the majority of those readers are mostly LOOKING FOR those stories in that category. As long as you give them what they want, they're mostly happy.

But the two types of readers I described for LW are opposites. You can't please them both. (And don't tell me all swinger stories should go into Group Sex, because swingers don't necessarily see themselves as having "orgies".)

I usually don't know what they are looking for, so I don't aim to make them "happy." I don't mean to sound arrogant, but the readers have to come to me. That strategy seems to work well enough. The two stories in LW got passable although not extraordinary scores, depending on what one defines as "passable." I wasn't trying to either please or displease them.

 

[Thorlol]

I don’t know that splitting the category would help at all. haters going to hate regardless. For example, this past week I posted my first serious ‘Romance’ story. While I have gotten a lot of great comments (I do find romance tends to be more positive) i have received three emails telling me how pathetic I am and that I should ‘wander into the corner and die’.

The trolls and haters are unfortunately never going to go away, if anything they will likely get stronger as time goes by. Such is the amount of hurt and anger in so many people’s lives these days where the Internet is a great place to vent without anyone knowing who you are. Its a sad realit, but hard to deny.

Bill&Kate, please don’t stop writing LW, I love reading you’re stories, the emotion and time you put into those stories comes through regardless of the stupside comments that people leave. You were one of my original inspirations to start writing, so please don’t let the trolls win.

I am sorry to hear that. I enjoyed your recent story and I didnt see anything 'pathetic' in it. It had the right mixture of drama and romance to be very entertaining although a bit on the extreme side.

 

[SimonDoom]

But yeah, its not only the BTB crowd thats intolerant. Both sides are just incompatible. And I dont think the BTB crowd is somehow more eager to downvote stories about cuckolding and cheating. Or go out of their way to click on every story to downvote them.

They are just the majority and they vote accordingly. If you give 10 people who are into cuckolding a corresponding story it will score pretty high. Give it to 10 people who are not into that it will rate very low.

It also makes no sense to tell potential reader to not vote on stories they disagree with. It reflects what people think about the story. Its not like LW is somehow closed off from everything else on Lit and only hardcore BTB fans stay there. If there was such a hidden majority who are into cuckolding/cheating/swinging it would reflect on the score.

I have to say, I see NO evidence of what you are saying. I don't see evidence that the pro-wife sharing readers are leaving extremely nasty comments on the BTB stories and downvoting them. I don't see them openly saying in threads and comments that they downvote them. But on the other hand there is massive evidence that the BTB crowd downvotes and leaves horrible comments on wife-sharing stories. If you disagree with me, what's the evidence?

I think you have it backward. Judging from the NUMBER of comments, the BTB readers are not in the majority. Those who enjoy what the category originally was intended for are probably in the majority, but they choose not to read the BTB stories they dislike, and they don't downvote as rabidly or leave nasty comments. The result is that wife-sharing stories posted in LW will get plenty of views, favorites, and favorable comments, but the scores suck because they are sabotaged by the BTB crowd. Meanwhile, the highest-rated stories in LW are usually stories where the wives get punished. You don't see great numbers of vile comments made to them.

I have a different philosophy of voting from yours. If you don't like a subject matter, then don't read it. It's easy enough to tell in most cases. Why read a story through to the end if you hate the subject matter, or why vote on a story if a few paragraphs in you can tell it's about wife-sharing and you choose not to read it? It makes no sense to me at all. I vote on stories based on what I perceive as their quality, irrespective of whether the subject matter is appealing to me.

 

[Lifestyle66]

Like Lifestyle66 said, its monogamy vs everything else. Unfortunately for some people, both types belong into the LW section. No matter if its a story about adultery or about swinging, both deal with extra-marital sex. I actually think that people who believe in open relationships are as intolerant as people in closed relationship. Atleast thats my experience with two couples in a open relationship I am friends with.

They even came up with arguments like its the churchs fault that people are monogamous. Wich I find hilarious. Because I never believed in god and neither did my parents. The only times I put a foot into a church is for a wedding.

There are quite alot other examples, but those are not funny anymore and totally disregard my perception of myself and emotions that I am supposedely should not have.

That shows how tolerant they are.

But yeah, its not only the BTB crowd thats intolerant. Both sides are just incompatible. And I dont think the BTB crowd is somehow more eager to downvote stories about cuckolding and cheating. Or go out of their way to click on every story to downvote them.

They are just the majority and they vote accordingly. If you give 10 people who are into cuckolding a corresponding story it will score pretty high. Give it to 10 people who are not into that it will rate very low.

It also makes no sense to tell potential reader to not vote on stories they disagree with. It reflects what people think about the story. Its not like LW is somehow closed off from everything else on Lit and only hardcore BTB fans stay there. If there was such a hidden majority who are into cuckolding/cheating/swinging it would reflect on the score.

I disagree.

The troll attacks between the two factions, happy-swingers versus monogamy-BTB, can be seen in the ratings.

The BTB crowd drags stories down to between 1-2 and remain below 3 average. The pro-BTB stories often grow to over 4, indicating the BTB crowd are pleased. So, the objective evidence shows those who HATE happy sharing stories far outweigh those swingers you claim might object to the monogamous-only crowd.

 

[lc69hunter]

I have to say, I see NO evidence of what you are saying. I don't see evidence that the pro-wife sharing readers are leaving extremely nasty comments on the BTB stories and downvoting them. I don't see them openly saying in threads and comments that they downvote them. But on the other hand there is massive evidence that the BTB crowd downvotes and leaves horrible comments on wife-sharing stories. If you disagree with me, what's the evidence?

I think you have it backward. Judging from the NUMBER of comments, the BTB readers are not in the majority. Those who enjoy what the category originally was intended for are probably in the majority, but they choose not to read the BTB stories they dislike, and they don't downvote as rabidly or leave nasty comments. The result is that wife-sharing stories posted in LW will get plenty of views, favorites, and favorable comments, but the scores suck because they are sabotaged by the BTB crowd. Meanwhile, the highest-rated stories in LW are usually stories where the wives get punished. You don't see great numbers of vile comments made to them.

I have a different philosophy of voting from yours. If you don't like a subject matter, then don't read it. It's easy enough to tell in most cases. Why read a story through to the end if you hate the subject matter, or why vote on a story if a few paragraphs in you can tell it's about wife-sharing and you choose not to read it? It makes no sense to me at all. I vote on stories based on what I perceive as their quality, irrespective of whether the subject matter is appealing to me

I comment and rate a lot of stories in the LW category. IMHO 70% of the BTB stories, depending upon the deliberate egregious behavior by the wife, do not need to be BTB. The trouble is, they paint the husband as this weak man who pukes, and runs and hides, and has all these insecurities about dick size, etc, which real men do not do. They face the issues and resolve them, one way or the other. If the story is well written, I will score a 3 or 4, but comment that it didn't need to end that way.

I do believe that monogamy is a construct of Middle Eastern tribal societies, where the priests and shamans did their best to keep the peace among the young males in the tribal unit, and is not a function of evolution, and our roots in Christian society lead us where we are now. I had been with three married women by the time I turned 18. I now consider it as no harm no foul, though I wasn't smart enough to figure that out back then.

 

[BobbyBrandt]

There are some very popular stories within the LW category that deal primarily with personal dynamics and the emotions of the partners as they navigate a perilous relationship drama.

One of my favorites is "You Can Go Home Again", by blackrandl1958. It has 655 mostly positive comments from readers.

 

[lc69hunter]

Your arguments are so extreme and unconventional that I feel compelled to take "their" side in this debate.

Throughout history and across all societies, humans have displayed a tendency towards monogamous relationships. This is because the well-being of children is best served by a stable, nuclear family structure.

The ancient Middle Eastern cultures you mentioned are not a good example because Gilgamesh's stories and the Old Testament include depictions of men marrying multiple wives. It is important to note that such practices were usually reserved for individuals of high social status.

It's difficult, if not impossible, to truly be in love with more than one person simultaneously unless one has an unusual emotional makeup. Even those who engage in infidelity tend to maintain a sense of monogamy with their chosen partner (unless they lack empathy or are sociopathic).

If you father a child with a married woman and allow another man to raise that child unknowingly, it's an incredibly selfish and callous act. When the truth is eventually revealed, it can have devastating consequences for the family involved. Essentially, you would be tearing apart a family unit.

I believe that marriage is a good institution for family structure, rearing children and economic health. However, that is not synonymous with monogamy. My wife and I both believed that a random one-off was no threat to a strong marriage, though ongoing affairs, boyfriends/girlfriends were a definite threat to the marriage, as they are an indication of other issues in the marriage. Just my thoughts

 

[Lifestyle66]

As we discuss this "LW Wasteland" in this thread, there's a new story posted in LW today (6.8K words) which shows promise: "Liberation for Him or Her? Pt. 01" by JimmyThePlunger. The wife admits her need for strange big cocks, and the husband must now decide whether they remain married and how he'll deal with it. So far in this Part 1, he's not insulting or violent.

 

[alohadave]

This is because the well-being of children is best served by a stable, nuclear family structure.

Nuclear families are only about 75 years old. It wasn't until after WWII when soldiers returning from the war had the money and housing available to live as a just parents and children. It was the norm for multiple generations to live together before (and still is in many cultures).

 

[NoTalentHack]

Nuclear families are only about 75 years old. It wasn't until after WWII when soldiers returning from the war had the money and housing available to live as a just parents and children. It was the norm for multiple generations to live together before (and still is in many cultures).

Definitely this. My wife’s mom moved in with us about 8 years into our marriage, for a variety of reasons. And, I have to say, having my MIL live with us has been fucking great; she’s the best roommate I’ve ever had. It does add an additional dimension to the home dynamics, but it’s been a net positive for all of us. Having our kids’ Lola living with us has meant we’ve had a spare pair of hands, a third adult to split chores with us, and made her and the kids (and my wife) so happy. I know not everyone gets on with their in-laws, but even though I was really worried at first, it turned out to be one of the best decisions we could have made for all of us.

 

[Lifestyle66]

Nuclear families are only about 75 years old. It wasn't until after WWII when soldiers returning from the war had the money and housing available to live as a just parents and children. It was the norm for multiple generations to live together before (and still is in many cultures).

The arguments for monogamy are not limited to the modern nuclear family but extend to the older multi-generation families. Long before WWII, men and women married with the insistence not just on monogamy but going as far as insisting a mother abandon any kids from a prior marriage.

I found this in my own family with several grandmothers and great grandmothers having to send kids to orphanages or to live with the previous generation, so the woman could remarry. Men (back then) were far less tolerant in accepting someone else's kid to raise. If a husband died, the woman was left with the choice of living in poverty or giving up her kids to remarry. Even a neighbor friend of mine (after WWII) was raised by his grandparents, living just a few houses away from his mother who remarried to a man who wouldn't accept her child. He could never visit his mother at her house if her new husband was home.

 

[lc69hunter]

This has turned into an interesting discussion, far removed from the post that started it. There has been no shaming and we all come from differing points of view. This is as it should be..

 

[Thorlol]

As we discuss this "LW Wasteland" in this thread, there's a new story posted in LW today (6.8K words) which shows promise: "Liberation for Him or Her? Pt. 01" by JimmyThePlunger. The wife admits her need for strange big cocks, and the husband must now decide whether they remain married and how he'll deal with it. So far in this Part 1, he's not insulting or violent.

I have just read it but the story is also a great example why people instantly jump on the hate train. What the wife did was exceptionally cruel. If the husband didnt already have a cuck tendency she would have sent him instantly into depression and worse. With just one video she achieved to attack his security and self-esteem. She showed her absolute disregard about his emotional well-being with sending that video. She also told him that he is just not enough in a big part of their relationship. And I do think that sex is a big part of the relationship.

And over all it was all about her, not about him. She emotionally trapped him. If he wants to be with his 'love' he needs to suck it up. Either she gets to fuck other people or he divorces her. Although she put the choice in his hands it isnt a real choice. Thats the problem. And both, the wife and the sister, saying that love is way more important than the security of the knowledge that you are as valuable to your partner than your partner is to you is just out of the world.

The moments after good sex are the moments where you build most of the emotional connection to someone. And thats a proven fact. Saying that its 'just sex' just doesnt work.

And of course it isnt an attempt to open the marriage but to put him in his place. Of course that a harsh assumption from me but in the end its the only outcome. Because he isnt allowed to do the same. Thats a play on the power dynamics of the relationship.

Its very hard for me to like or relate to the wife of the story. Not because of the concept but because how she went about it and her actions in that part. It is totally onesided and devalues the male character severely.

In the end the story got 2 stars from me, but not because I have a distaste for the theme but because of the characters, their actions and the content. Its just isnt on par with some good stories about the beginnings of open marriages like for example one of Kalimaxos. He does this in a more tasteful way where both sides are explored without being demeaning. Unfortunately the one I am thinking of is already on amazon.

 

[NoTalentHack]

I have to say, I see NO evidence of what you are saying. I don't see evidence that the pro-wife sharing readers are leaving extremely nasty comments on the BTB stories and downvoting them. I don't see them openly saying in threads and comments that they downvote them. But on the other hand there is massive evidence that the BTB crowd downvotes and leaves horrible comments on wife-sharing stories. If you disagree with me, what's the evidence?

I think you have it backward. Judging from the NUMBER of comments, the BTB readers are not in the majority. Those who enjoy what the category originally was intended for are probably in the majority, but they choose not to read the BTB stories they dislike, and they don't downvote as rabidly or leave nasty comments. The result is that wife-sharing stories posted in LW will get plenty of views, favorites, and favorable comments, but the scores suck because they are sabotaged by the BTB crowd. Meanwhile, the highest-rated stories in LW are usually stories where the wives get punished. You don't see great numbers of vile comments made to them.

I have a different philosophy of voting from yours. If you don't like a subject matter, then don't read it. It's easy enough to tell in most cases. Why read a story through to the end if you hate the subject matter, or why vote on a story if a few paragraphs in you can tell it's about wife-sharing and you choose not to read it? It makes no sense to me at all. I vote on stories based on what I perceive as their quality, irrespective of whether the subject matter is appealing to me.

I disagree with a number of the points you're arguing here.

TL;DR: A quick analysis of both mine and other people's stories say that, at least in LW, the people that don't want swapping/sharing/cuck stories (who are not necessarily the same as BTB) are much more common than the ones that do.

First off, while I haven't written a story on every major topic in LW, I have written several different ones; BTB, reconciliation, moving on, "honey, we need to talk," etc. I haven't written a pure swapping or sharing story yet, although I probably will eventually. But I'll say this: there are a number of commenters in the BTB and "moving on" varieties of stories that I've written that have cropped up again and again saying things like "the MMC is an awful person for not taking her back," "he should have just learned to share, then they could both be happy," and the like, while those same commenters say things like "yes, this is exactly what should have happened, it takes a strong person to deal with cheating and not see it as the end of a marriage" on my reconciliation stories. There are commenters like that out there, there just aren't as many commenters as the BTB crowd. I don't think the BTB folks are the majority on the site, but there's the distinct possibility and even the likelihood that they are within LW.

Why do I say that? Because of the three stories I have that edge closest to sharing/swapping ("Kayfabe," a humorous take on cuck/bull stuff that got me probably a hundred followers with something like "cuck" in there name all by itself, along with the first requests for custom stories; and "Incompatible Needs" pt. 1 and 2, a story about a throuple badly navigating polyamory together) have the lowest views, comments, favorites, and, with the exception of one other story ("The Last Snowfall," a Christmas-themed story that ends with the suicide of the MMC), ratings of any of my LW output.

All of these stories were put out in that intense two month burst of writing I did when I first started writing again, so while there may be some quality variance, it's slight, and Kayfabe, which is the lowest-rated one in each of those metrics, including ratings, is my most recent of them and, I think, the best written.

"Kayfabe" came out on 1/23/2023 and has less than 17K views and a 3.82 rating. "Spoken in Anger," which deals with similarly heavy themes as "The Last Snowfall" and came out on 1/16/23, has almost 58K views and a 4.41 rating. "Shouldering the Burden," which came out on 2/1/2023, has almost 41K views and also a 4.41 rating Neither of these is a BTB story; one deals with the aftermath of the death of a cheating spouse, and the other is set in a memory care facility fifty years after the affair, with the husband taking care of the wife that he's been with that whole time. Both stories have more comments than "Kayfabe," with "Spoken in Anger" having almost double the number.

"Incompatible Needs pt.1" did better eventually, but when it first came out, it was one of the few of my stories that had a rating lower than 4, and it stayed there for a while. It eventually found its audience, but that was only after I branched out into writing stories in Mature, I/T, Romance, and Anal, bringing in new eyeballs from other parts of the site. It's sandwiched by "The Last Snowfall" and "February Sucks: Sessions," both of which underperformed ratings-wise for their own reasons; the former quite clearly due to the ending (as many, many commenters told me) ad the latter because it was something like the hundredth ending/retelling/sequel to February Sucks. But if you put the comments together for both parts of "Incompatible Needs," (101 total), it doesn't come close to "FS:S" at 217, much less "TLS" at 291. The views tell a very similar story.

In each of "Kayfabe" and "Incompatible Needs," I made it very clear in the subject line what they were about. "A cuck and bull bromance." and "A couple and their friend try to figure out their love." So there were no surprises there for the viewers; they got exactly what it said on the tin. People shied away from them, even though, by "Kayfabe," I was a pretty known quality in LW; a lot of the comments said things like, "I wouldn't have read this if it wasn't an NTH story, but I'm glad I did."

So that tells a tale by itself: given notification, not as many people read the stories that have elements of sharing/swapping that have the husband's okay. Looking at the stories on the front page of LW, you can see a similar story: the stories that are clearly listed as cuck or sharing stories don't get nearly the views that other ones do. There are, at least in LW, more people that are not interested int hose stories than the ones that are interested in them.

I think we can look farther afield, too. Assume that most people aren't coming to the site for just a single type of story, or rather, stories in a single category. It may not be true for everyone, but at a guess I'd say it's true for most folks. Then assume that people that want sharing/swapping stories will look for other types of Group stories, and the people looking for cuck stories will check Fetish. Assume that people, other than the haters that want to 1-bomb stories they find morally objectionable, won't.

In Group, there's a story specifically about swinging, published today that has less than 300 views. Not 3K, 300. A similar story, also published today but in LW, has about 1.7K. And, in surprising turn of good luck for our analysis, there is a cuck story in Fetish (542 views) and a sharing story in LW (5.6K views) that are both by the same author, plus a cuck story in LW by a different one from yesterday (5.4K views). The two stories in LW have ~2.5 ratings. The one in Fetish has a 3.5, but it's notable that the couple rejects cuckolding as right for them at the end, so that might hurt it over there. Several cuckolding stories on the front page of Fetish have 4+ ratings, with at least one a 4.5.

Taking all of this as an aggregate, there's a pretty strong indication that it's not the case that that the non-sharing/swapping/cuck folks are the majority in LW, that they are not elsewhere, and that the BTBers are the most vocal in the comments specifically because they DO want more stories that the majority like, both BTBers and RAACers. I'm not saying this is the case across the site, and in fact it's probably not, but in LW? Short of me being able to get ahold of the database for Literotica and do a deep-dive statistical analysis, I'd say the evidence is there.

 

[NoTalentHack]

I have just read it but the story is also a great example why people instantly jump on the hate train. What the wife did was exceptionally cruel. If the husband didnt already have a cuck tendency she would have sent him instantly into depression and worse. With just one video she achieved to attack his security and self-esteem. She showed her absolute disregard about his emotional well-being with sending that video. She also told him that he is just not enough in a big part of their relationship. And I do think that sex is a big part of the relationship.

Yeah, that one was NUTS. Like, ease the poor guy into it, lady.

I'm working on a story right now that's about a woman who got away with cheating on her husband during the entirety of their marriage with hundreds of guys that starts with her approaching a woman in a bar saying, "You're going to get caught" as she sees her psyching herself up to go cheat on her husband. From there, it's going to be kind of an exploration of why she cheated and why the young woman doesn't want to go down that road. I expect it will make no one happy. Well, except me, specifically because of that.