U.S. Considers Asking Black Americans on Census if They Are Slave Descendants

[Sean Renaud]

Family tree of course, Ancestry.com has a damn near complete data base on that.

I don't buy that a "near complete" data base actually exists.

 

[icanhelp1]

I'm wondering where the monies gong to come from? SF is already struggling with a severely eroded tax base.

Personally, I don't give a fuck what California does with their state taxes, they deserve what they get. I just can't believe using federal moneys meets constitutional muster. I hope we don't have to put up with a woke Robin Hood.

SF led the defund the police movement and cut funding. Now they're crying in their wine begging for fed intervention in drug enforcement. SF is down 500+ cops. Let them eat shit!! No fed funding till they denounce being a sanctuary city.

 

[Chobham]

Personally, I don't give a fuck what California does with their state taxes, they deserve what they get. I just can't believe using federal moneys meets constitutional muster. I hope we don't have to put up with a woke Robin Hood.

SF led the defund the police movement and cut funding. Now they're crying in their wine begging for fed intervention in drug enforcement. SF is down 500+ cops. Let them eat shit!! No fed funding till they denounce being a sanctuary city.

It won't pass constitutional muster even on the city level.

 

[JohnnySavage]

As an aside - I don't normally answer all those questions on the Census. The Constitution requires that the government count the people. It places no such burden on my time. I'll tell them how many people live in my house because I'm a good citizen and want to cooperate. Beyond that, they can get a warrant.

 

[icanhelp1]

It won't pass constitutional muster even on the city level.

Who on the state or local levels will fight it? These rich woke dumbasses are all in on it. That burden will transfer to the less affluent. They voted these idiots in, they won't learn till their whole paycheck goes to these wild ass virtue signalling agendas in the name of Marxism.

Isn't the state in debt up to their eyeballs?

 

[icanhelp1]

Who on the state or local levels will fight it? These rich woke dumbasses are all in on it. That burden will transfer to the less affluent. They voted these idiots in, they won't learn till their whole paycheck goes to these wild ass virtue signalling agendas in the name of Marxism.

Isn't the state in debt up to their eyeballs?

I wonder how they could word the question on the census. Maybe everyone will answer they were descendants of slavery, for 5 million! why not.

 

[HisArpy]

I wonder how they could word the question on the census. Maybe everyone will answer they were descendants of slavery, for 5 million! why not.

I'm descended from immigrants who only managed to get to the US because they indentured themselves.

I wonder if that qualifies...

 

[ll74]

No, you're dumb. Lots of black Americans owned slaves as did Indian tribes.

Define "lots"...maybe use a percentage so we all understand what "lots" is to you.

 

[Rightguide]

American slavery was actually pretty unique. This whole "It was the way" is something that we've invented in recent years

You're totally uneducated on the subject. You're quite brainwashed on slavery though.

 

[Rightguide]

Slavery was the way of the world for thousands of years. Doesn't mean that it's right. Doesn't mean we can't try to correct those systemic abuses where we can, how we can.

That is why I support the idea of reparations and believe, in general, in restorative justice.

Whether I'll vote for them and support the solid proposals when they reach that state, if they ever do, is another story. There are always devil's hiding in the details.

I would never support them. Nobody in my family ever owned slaves and nobody walking around today is being forced to pick cotton as a slave. The issue of slavery has been remedied by the Civil War, by amendments to the Constitution, and the trashing of Democrat Jim Crow. If anyone should be forced to pay it needs to be Democrats, not the Republicans who fought physically and politically to destroy the institution of slavery in the US.

 

[Philthy_Phil]

Look at vetteguide white washing slavery as if wasn't that bad.

He and his ilk are why the world sees americans as being morons.

sad.

 

[Sean Renaud]

You're totally uneducated on the subject. You're quite brainwashed on slavery though.

No, I'm pretty well educated on the subject which is why I can see through all the bullshit you guys try to pedal. Like the first slave owner in America was a black man. This is only true if for whatever reason you are only counting the continential US and act like the Caribbean just doesn't exist. You trust that nobody has google.

Very rarely has chattel slavery been a thing. Most of the time children were born free and slavery wasn't for life in most cultures though some were absolutely brutal and just died well before getting their freedom.

Its hilarious hearing people talk about indentured servants in the same breath as slavery. One was voluntary, one was not. Not was temporary and when you finished your time you did get land to start up on your own. One you didn't. One was passed on to the children. Children who were literally bred after it became illegal to import slaves to America.

We have to constantly hear about how few people actually owned slaves as if the whole of America didn't profit from it. The North had very few slaves at any given time but they had a booming textile industry that used. . .holy shit COTTON primarily picked by slaves.

When we take a moment to go kick the tires we have to go into the facts that as late as the 70's it was LEGAL to prevent colored people from buying property in certain areas. It still happens but if you can PROVE that happened somehow you can sue but still.

We have to also overlook the entirety of the modern legal system.

Like I said this won't happen, if anybody had even listened or read the actual story it was pretty obvious this was a troll message not something that anybody was taking seriously. Even if it did happen one of two things is true. Either people with better resources do better an that rising tide thing happens OR conservatives are right and in less than ten years all that money would be right back in the hands of the rich.

 

[Bray123]

Always love it when people point out that the early (pre-Nixon) anti-slavery campaigners were Republicans. But modern Republicans wrap themselves in the Confederate flag and think that it's OK.

Nixon invited the KKK supporters to the Republican party and just like magic it's been that way since.

 

[HisArpy]

No, I'm pretty well educated on the subject which is why I can see through all the bullshit you guys try to pedal. Like the first slave owner in America was a black man. This is only true if for whatever reason you are only counting the continential US and act like the Caribbean just doesn't exist.

It's like you think that "The Caribbean" is the same as "America"...

BTW, both PR and the US Virgin Islands are territorial pickups which occurred after the civil war (1898 and 1917 respectively) so don't go there because it'll only make you look even stupider.

 

[HisArpy]

Always love it when people point out that the early (pre-Nixon) anti-slavery campaigners were Republicans. But modern Republicans wrap themselves in the Confederate flag and think that it's OK.

Nixon invited the KKK supporters to the Republican party and just like magic it's been that way since.

I thought the liberal meme was that the parties switched back in 1964. Are you sure you're up to date on the current talking points?

 

[Bray123]

I thought the liberal meme was that the parties switched back in 1964. Are you sure you're up to date on the current talking points?

Richard Nixon invited racist white voters into the party after the Democrats under Lyndon B. Johnson embraced racial equality in 1964/1965 with the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act.

That's how he got elected. Still more integrity than Trump, who has zero.

 

[ll74]

Richard Nixon invited racist white voters into the party after the Democrats under Lyndon B. Johnson embraced racial equality in 1964/1965 with the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act.

The parties didn't technically switch as much as asshole racists were shown the door and the GOP opened theirs.

 

[Sean Renaud]

It's like you think that "The Caribbean" is the same as "America"...

BTW, both PR and the US Virgin Islands are territorial pickups which occurred after the civil war (1898 and 1917 respectively) so don't go there because it'll only make you look even stupider.

Considering we (at least until recently) claimed that Columbus found America when he never set foot on "America proper" even history counts "The Americas" both north, south, Canada are all "America."

When PR was picked up is actually irrelevant. Slavery existed in "America" BEFORE the Revolution. In that one I mean America proper not the islands that are still considered part of us. I don't look stupid, I'm just smarter than you.

 

[Rightguide]

Always love it when people point out that the early (pre-Nixon) anti-slavery campaigners were Republicans. But modern Republicans wrap themselves in the Confederate flag and think that it's OK.

Nixon invited the KKK supporters to the Republican party and just like magic it's been that way since.

You're a liar. All of the Dixecrats save one remained in the Democrat party. Democrat Sen. Robert Byrd started his political life as an Exalted Cyclops in the Ku Klux Klan and was eulogized by fellow Democrat Joe Biden in 2010.

 

[Sean Renaud]

You're a liar. All of the Dixecrats save one remained in the Democrat party. Democrat Sen. Robert Byrd started his political life as an Exalted Cyclops in the Ku Klux Klan and was eulogized by fellow Democrat Joe Biden in 2010.

Maybe the Dixiecrats in elected positions but they were eventually all gone and we can look at what states generally vote for each party and know that you are wrong about the population at large. You are part of a party that embraces bigotry. Deal with it or become a Democrat its that simple.

 

[Rightguide]

Maybe the Dixiecrats in elected positions but they were eventually all gone and we can look at what states generally vote for each party and know that you are wrong about the population at large. You are part of a party that embraces bigotry. Deal with it or become a Democrat its that simple.

No they didn't that is all total bullshit. No party has been more committed to anti-slavery in the US than the Republican Party. We do not embrace bigotry, that's what you do in your anti-white crusades presently being conducted by Democrats against white Americans at every level of society and business.

 

[Rotadom]

No they didn't that is all total bullshit. No party has been more committed to anti-slavery in the US than the Republican Party. We do not embrace bigotry, that's what you do in your anti-white crusades presently being conducted by Democrats against white Americans at every level of society and business.

Can't tell if serious or joking.

 

[Bray123]

No they didn't that is all total bullshit. No party has been more committed to anti-slavery in the US than the Republican Party. We do not embrace bigotry, that's what you do in your anti-white crusades presently being conducted by Democrats against white Americans at every level of society and business.

Perhaps you can tell people in the Republican Party that.

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[YDB95]

No they didn't that is all total bullshit.

Most of the Dixiecrats you're referring to had either retired or were defeated for re-election by the mid-70s. And nearly all of them were replaced by Republicans.

No party has been more committed to anti-slavery in the US than the Republican Party.

True if you were writing this in 1875 or so. The thing is, once Reconstruction was over (which the Republicans agreed to in order to win a disputed presidential election), the best thing you could say about them with respect to civil rights was that they were a bit less overtly hostile to the cause than the Southern Democrats were. That's not commitment, it's indifference.

We do not embrace bigotry, that's what you do in your anti-white crusades presently being conducted by Democrats against white Americans at every level of society and business.

So, in other words, the Democrats were racist against Blacks, now they're racist against whites, and the event that triggered the switch is a myth. Once again I can only assume you don't even really believe most of what you say here.

 

[Rightguide]

Most of the Dixiecrats you're referring to had either retired or were defeated for re-election by the mid-70s. And nearly all of them were replaced by Republicans.

True if you were writing this in 1875 or so. The thing is, once Reconstruction was over (which the Republicans agreed to in order to win a disputed presidential election), the best thing you could say about them with respect to civil rights was that they were a bit less overtly hostile to the cause than the Southern Democrats were. That's not commitment, it's indifference.

So, in other words, the Democrats were racist against Blacks, now they're racist against whites, and the event that triggered the switch is a myth. Once again I can only assume you don't even really believe most of what you say here.

The fact is, due to the Democrats inherent racist DNA, they see all issues through the prism of race, gender, and class just like they did before the Civil War. They never learn.