Reperations for black slaves???? Doesnt all the WELFARE we have to give em, COUNT??

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Right KOOLEY?—————————————————————————————
SLAVERY REPARATIONS:
A MISGUIDED MOVEMENT
Professor Peter H. Schuck
Yale Law School
JURIST Guest Columnist
Let us stipulate -- because it is manifestly true -- that American slavery was a horrendous crime and a moral abomination. Let us further stipulate that this crime had countless victims and that their descendants still experience adverse effects today, seven generations later. Finally, stipulate that our society subscribes to an ideal of corrective justice that recognizes a legal duty compelling wrongdoers to remedy wrongfully-caused losses and to surrender wrongfully-obtained gains. Does this require the payment of reparations by the federal government to. . .somebody? Does it justify such reparations?

My answer to both questions is no -- and not just because of uncertainty about who the “somebody” would be, although as we shall see this poses a serious practical problem. My objections to reparations fall into three general categories: instrumentalist, consequentialist, and horizontal equity.

Instrumentalist objections

By instrumentalist objections, I mean problems of a practical or administrative nature that would be created by any serious effort to move from the status quo to an effective and just reparations regime. By “serious effort,” I mean one that takes full account of the practical requirements of implementation. I take up the meaning of “effective and just reparations regime” in the discussion of the consequentialist and horizontal equity objections.

It may seem churlish to begin with the practical or technical obstacles to engineering a solution. These problems will surely strike some reparations advocates as too small-bore and nit-picking to mention in the same breath with the moral project of reparations. But mention them we must, especially because of the project’s moral purpose. As the saying goes, if one wills an end, then one also wills the necessary means to that end. Ought implies can. Means, moreover, are not merely instrumental to desired ends; often, they also have normative dimensions of their own that must be considered. Finally, when policies that are attractive in principle fail at the level of actual implementation, the policies themselves are discredited.

Here are just a few of the numerous implementation problems that a reparations law would need to solve.

First, how would it define the beneficiary class? Would it include all blacks in the U.S. or only those descended from slaves? If the former, what about immigrant blacks and how would “black” be defined in an increasingly multi-racial society? If the latter, what about descendants of free blacks?
Second, how would the beneficiaries prove their entitlement? Absent a clear definition of black (who would judge?) or reliable documentary evidence of descent (surely lacking in most cases), what presumptions would be accepted and how could they be rebutted?
Third, would beneficiaries have to show that American slavery caused their current condition? What if they would otherwise have been killed or enslaved by their African captors, or sold to non-American masters?
Fourth, should all taxpayers bear the cost of reparations, or only those descended from slaveowners or from those who lived in the slave states? The list of such technocratic questions - none of them fanciful - could be extended endlessly.
Consequentialist objections
The actual effects of a reparations program, of course, will depend partly on the answers to these and other instrumental questions and partly on developments about which we can only speculate. To inform this speculation, however, we can draw on some historical experience with reparations or quasi-reparations programs to suggest what we might expect of this one, even conceding as I readily do that each program is different in any number of ways. Consider four such programs: post-war reparations; the September 11 compensation fund; affirmative action; and the payments to Japanese internees. (Again, space permit only the briefest characterizations). The treaties ending World War I required the Central Powers, especially Germany, to pay war reparations to the victorious Allies. In fact, the payments were grudging, delayed, incomplete, and raised new conflicts. For this reason, the payments brought little satisfaction to the recipients and the bitterness it engendered among Germans was skillfully exploited by Hitler and, according to many historians, contributed to his political support. The post-World War II reparations that Germany paid to Israel, although criticized by many as insulting and inadequate “blood money,” were far more successful and helped to launch the new state.

The September 11 compensation fund is still in its early stages, but certain patterns are already evident. Although Congress assumed that this catastrophe was as sui generis as any event could be, the precedent it set has already produced an expansion of the program to include the victims of other terrorist-related disasters such as Oklahoma City and the Khobar Towers in Saudi Arabia. And while the relatively small share of the eligible families who have received their awards so far surely value them, many recipients complain that the compensation’s failure to remedy their loss adequately has inflicted an additional dignitary harm and reopened painful wounds. Far from assuaging their suffering, it seems, monetization sometimes aggravates it -- no matter what compensation scheme is chosen.

Even though affirmative action does not entail direct payments for past discrimination, most supporters view it as a compensatory program; the greater economic opportunities it affords its beneficiaries do constitute a kind of reparations and are intended as such. After more than 30 years of affirmative action -- and my work on a comprehensive article on this subject in 20 Yale Law & Policy Review 1 (2002) -- several effects seem clear. (Many other effects, both good and bad, are more debatable).

First, the number of individuals who are now eligible for preferences dwarfs the group that they originally and most compellingly targeted -- the descendants of slaves and the victims of Jim Crow. Today, the eligible groups include other categories (women, Hispanics, Asians, and sometimes the disabled) as well as millions of immigrants of color whose ancestors did not experience slavery here.

Second, law’s inherently technocratic modalities have tended to (literally) de-moralize affirmative action programs. By implementing preferences through a system of contestable definitions, measurements, sanctions, regulations, and litigation, the law has politicized, bureaucratized, and trivialized what was once a moral project. As I discuss below, this moral imperative can be served better in other ways.

Third, affirmative action’s unpopularity, even among many members of the beneficiary groups, has created new barriers to inter-racial reconciliation and heightened the salience and divisiveness of race -- precisely the opposite of the advocates’ originally goals.

The most attractive model for black reparations is the program for the Japanese interned during World War II. The program is very recent, of course, and I know of no analysis of its effects but let us assume that they have been altogether positive - that the recipients are satisfied by the federal government’s contrition and compensation, while the program is causing other Americans to reflect on the lessons of that dark chapter of our history. Perhaps this putative success augurs well for a black reparations program but I doubt it, for reasons already discussed. The surviving Japanese internees are a relatively small, easily identifiable group of victims who had been harmed in specific ways by a discrete event limited in time and space. None of the instrumentalist objections mentioned above applies to this group; for example, the beneficiaries are the surviving victims themselves, not innumerable, far-flung, anonymous descendants up to seven generations removed from us.

The German compensation schemes for Holocaust victims and slave laborers are not a close model for black reparations either, for many of the same reasons that distinguish the Japanese internment program. These German schemes, moreover, resulted from the settlement of strong legal claims based on unjust enrichment of specific banks, insurers, employers, and other companies that inflicted calculable losses on specific individuals and families.

Horizontal equity

Justice and fairness demand that similar cases be treated alike. We all know that every case is different in some respect from every other case, that the criteria of factual relevance and similarity are neither self-evident nor self-defining, and that classifying cases into categories for purposes of comparison is often a matter of judgment. We also know that the victims of grave injustice -- slavery, the Holocaust, other genocides, enforced subordination -- often regard their suffering as distinctive, if not unique; they tend to resist the notion that the victims of other grave injustices suffered more or in ways more deserving of remedy. To cite an extreme and maudlin but perhaps revealing example, Daniel Jonah Goldhagen, in his book Hitler’s Willing Executioners, argues that even slaves were treated as less “socially dead” (in Orlando Patterson’s phrase) than Jews were in Germany during the Nazi period.

The competition for greatest victimhood is almost inevitable both for political reasons and for a legal one; standard equal protection doctrine invites such comparisons in order to determine the appropriate standard of review. This competition is not an edifying sight -- and not just because we lack a common metric for measuring and comparing injustices of this kind. It often descends into an ugly struggle for public resources, recognition, recrimination, and moral status among people who have already suffered enough and who should be the last to view injustice as a zero-sum game. Is slavery the greatest injustice in American history? Probably so, but I would not expect Native-Americans whose ancestors were systematically exterminated by the U.S. Army to readily cede the point. Were the indentured servants of the colonial period or the Chinese coolies of the nineteenth century more harshly treated or less deserving of reparations than the Japanese internees? What about the internees’ Japanese ancestors who were not permitted to own farmland, marry whites, or enter professions? What about the Irish immigrants who were forced by hateful discrimination to live in conditions arguably as degraded as slave cabins? Should we view their whiteness as an emblem of privilege sufficient to redeem their long suffering without further recompense?

I do not know the answers to these questions -- or even how to think about answering them. There is much to be said (as equal protection doctrine allows) for taking one step at a time toward a more just society. My point, then, is not that giving reparations to the descendants of black slaves would require, legally or otherwise, that they be given to the descendants of liquidated Native-Americans or near-enslaved coolies, much less that the former should not be first in line. Rather, it is that the politics and psychology of the competition for victimhood will make it difficult to stop there, and that the very effort to justify this stopping point will arouse new bitterness and magnify existing feelings of injustice.

Conclusion

The movement for black reparations, however well-intended, is misguided. Indeed, it is perverse in its propensity to discredit the very ideal of corrective justice that it invokes, to aggravate bitterness rather than assuage it, and to make reconciliation more difficult. Our obligation now is to engage with and learn from the past, and then to move forward by turning the page. As we turn it, we must not forget that we are leaving behind an endless catalog of crimes, tears, and scars of the lash, of prejudice, and of poverty. We must leave this human misery and injustice behind, but not out of mind or conscience. We already have a long agenda to challenge our moral faculties and remedial imaginations as we assess our responsibilities to one another both now and in the future
 
Re: Reperations for black slaves???? Doesnt all the WELFARE we have to give em, COUNT??

busybody said:
No, I dont expect any of you to read this shit.....

Yes, I do expect the ususal suspects with the usual BS to post....

Right KOOLEY?—————————————————————————————
SLAVERY REPARATIONS:
A MISGUIDED MOVEMENT
Professor Peter H. Schuck
Yale Law School
JURIST Guest Columnist
Let us stipulate -- because it is manifestly true -- that American slavery was a horrendous crime and a moral abomination. Let us further stipulate that this crime had countless victims and that their descendants still experience adverse effects today, seven generations later. Finally, stipulate that our society subscribes to an ideal of corrective justice that recognizes a legal duty compelling wrongdoers to remedy wrongfully-caused losses and to surrender wrongfully-obtained gains. Does this require the payment of reparations by the federal government to. . .somebody? Does it justify such reparations?

My answer to both questions is no -- and not just because of uncertainty about who the “somebody” would be, although as we shall see this poses a serious practical problem. My objections to reparations fall into three general categories: instrumentalist, consequentialist, and horizontal equity.

Instrumentalist objections

By instrumentalist objections, I mean problems of a practical or administrative nature that would be created by any serious effort to move from the status quo to an effective and just reparations regime. By “serious effort,” I mean one that takes full account of the practical requirements of implementation. I take up the meaning of “effective and just reparations regime” in the discussion of the consequentialist and horizontal equity objections.

It may seem churlish to begin with the practical or technical obstacles to engineering a solution. These problems will surely strike some reparations advocates as too small-bore and nit-picking to mention in the same breath with the moral project of reparations. But mention them we must, especially because of the project’s moral purpose. As the saying goes, if one wills an end, then one also wills the necessary means to that end. Ought implies can. Means, moreover, are not merely instrumental to desired ends; often, they also have normative dimensions of their own that must be considered. Finally, when policies that are attractive in principle fail at the level of actual implementation, the policies themselves are discredited.

Here are just a few of the numerous implementation problems that a reparations law would need to solve.

First, how would it define the beneficiary class? Would it include all blacks in the U.S. or only those descended from slaves? If the former, what about immigrant blacks and how would “black” be defined in an increasingly multi-racial society? If the latter, what about descendants of free blacks?
Second, how would the beneficiaries prove their entitlement? Absent a clear definition of black (who would judge?) or reliable documentary evidence of descent (surely lacking in most cases), what presumptions would be accepted and how could they be rebutted?
Third, would beneficiaries have to show that American slavery caused their current condition? What if they would otherwise have been killed or enslaved by their African captors, or sold to non-American masters?
Fourth, should all taxpayers bear the cost of reparations, or only those descended from slaveowners or from those who lived in the slave states? The list of such technocratic questions - none of them fanciful - could be extended endlessly.
Consequentialist objections
The actual effects of a reparations program, of course, will depend partly on the answers to these and other instrumental questions and partly on developments about which we can only speculate. To inform this speculation, however, we can draw on some historical experience with reparations or quasi-reparations programs to suggest what we might expect of this one, even conceding as I readily do that each program is different in any number of ways. Consider four such programs: post-war reparations; the September 11 compensation fund; affirmative action; and the payments to Japanese internees. (Again, space permit only the briefest characterizations). The treaties ending World War I required the Central Powers, especially Germany, to pay war reparations to the victorious Allies. In fact, the payments were grudging, delayed, incomplete, and raised new conflicts. For this reason, the payments brought little satisfaction to the recipients and the bitterness it engendered among Germans was skillfully exploited by Hitler and, according to many historians, contributed to his political support. The post-World War II reparations that Germany paid to Israel, although criticized by many as insulting and inadequate “blood money,” were far more successful and helped to launch the new state.

The September 11 compensation fund is still in its early stages, but certain patterns are already evident. Although Congress assumed that this catastrophe was as sui generis as any event could be, the precedent it set has already produced an expansion of the program to include the victims of other terrorist-related disasters such as Oklahoma City and the Khobar Towers in Saudi Arabia. And while the relatively small share of the eligible families who have received their awards so far surely value them, many recipients complain that the compensation’s failure to remedy their loss adequately has inflicted an additional dignitary harm and reopened painful wounds. Far from assuaging their suffering, it seems, monetization sometimes aggravates it -- no matter what compensation scheme is chosen.

Even though affirmative action does not entail direct payments for past discrimination, most supporters view it as a compensatory program; the greater economic opportunities it affords its beneficiaries do constitute a kind of reparations and are intended as such. After more than 30 years of affirmative action -- and my work on a comprehensive article on this subject in 20 Yale Law & Policy Review 1 (2002) -- several effects seem clear. (Many other effects, both good and bad, are more debatable).

First, the number of individuals who are now eligible for preferences dwarfs the group that they originally and most compellingly targeted -- the descendants of slaves and the victims of Jim Crow. Today, the eligible groups include other categories (women, Hispanics, Asians, and sometimes the disabled) as well as millions of immigrants of color whose ancestors did not experience slavery here.

Second, law’s inherently technocratic modalities have tended to (literally) de-moralize affirmative action programs. By implementing preferences through a system of contestable definitions, measurements, sanctions, regulations, and litigation, the law has politicized, bureaucratized, and trivialized what was once a moral project. As I discuss below, this moral imperative can be served better in other ways.

Third, affirmative action’s unpopularity, even among many members of the beneficiary groups, has created new barriers to inter-racial reconciliation and heightened the salience and divisiveness of race -- precisely the opposite of the advocates’ originally goals.

The most attractive model for black reparations is the program for the Japanese interned during World War II. The program is very recent, of course, and I know of no analysis of its effects but let us assume that they have been altogether positive - that the recipients are satisfied by the federal government’s contrition and compensation, while the program is causing other Americans to reflect on the lessons of that dark chapter of our history. Perhaps this putative success augurs well for a black reparations program but I doubt it, for reasons already discussed. The surviving Japanese internees are a relatively small, easily identifiable group of victims who had been harmed in specific ways by a discrete event limited in time and space. None of the instrumentalist objections mentioned above applies to this group; for example, the beneficiaries are the surviving victims themselves, not innumerable, far-flung, anonymous descendants up to seven generations removed from us.

The German compensation schemes for Holocaust victims and slave laborers are not a close model for black reparations either, for many of the same reasons that distinguish the Japanese internment program. These German schemes, moreover, resulted from the settlement of strong legal claims based on unjust enrichment of specific banks, insurers, employers, and other companies that inflicted calculable losses on specific individuals and families.

Horizontal equity

Justice and fairness demand that similar cases be treated alike. We all know that every case is different in some respect from every other case, that the criteria of factual relevance and similarity are neither self-evident nor self-defining, and that classifying cases into categories for purposes of comparison is often a matter of judgment. We also know that the victims of grave injustice -- slavery, the Holocaust, other genocides, enforced subordination -- often regard their suffering as distinctive, if not unique; they tend to resist the notion that the victims of other grave injustices suffered more or in ways more deserving of remedy. To cite an extreme and maudlin but perhaps revealing example, Daniel Jonah Goldhagen, in his book Hitler’s Willing Executioners, argues that even slaves were treated as less “socially dead” (in Orlando Patterson’s phrase) than Jews were in Germany during the Nazi period.

The competition for greatest victimhood is almost inevitable both for political reasons and for a legal one; standard equal protection doctrine invites such comparisons in order to determine the appropriate standard of review. This competition is not an edifying sight -- and not just because we lack a common metric for measuring and comparing injustices of this kind. It often descends into an ugly struggle for public resources, recognition, recrimination, and moral status among people who have already suffered enough and who should be the last to view injustice as a zero-sum game. Is slavery the greatest injustice in American history? Probably so, but I would not expect Native-Americans whose ancestors were systematically exterminated by the U.S. Army to readily cede the point. Were the indentured servants of the colonial period or the Chinese coolies of the nineteenth century more harshly treated or less deserving of reparations than the Japanese internees? What about the internees’ Japanese ancestors who were not permitted to own farmland, marry whites, or enter professions? What about the Irish immigrants who were forced by hateful discrimination to live in conditions arguably as degraded as slave cabins? Should we view their whiteness as an emblem of privilege sufficient to redeem their long suffering without further recompense?

I do not know the answers to these questions -- or even how to think about answering them. There is much to be said (as equal protection doctrine allows) for taking one step at a time toward a more just society. My point, then, is not that giving reparations to the descendants of black slaves would require, legally or otherwise, that they be given to the descendants of liquidated Native-Americans or near-enslaved coolies, much less that the former should not be first in line. Rather, it is that the politics and psychology of the competition for victimhood will make it difficult to stop there, and that the very effort to justify this stopping point will arouse new bitterness and magnify existing feelings of injustice.

Conclusion

The movement for black reparations, however well-intended, is misguided. Indeed, it is perverse in its propensity to discredit the very ideal of corrective justice that it invokes, to aggravate bitterness rather than assuage it, and to make reconciliation more difficult. Our obligation now is to engage with and learn from the past, and then to move forward by turning the page. As we turn it, we must not forget that we are leaving behind an endless catalog of crimes, tears, and scars of the lash, of prejudice, and of poverty. We must leave this human misery and injustice behind, but not out of mind or conscience. We already have a long agenda to challenge our moral faculties and remedial imaginations as we assess our responsibilities to one another both now and in the future
 
I don't think reparations should be paid. This is a good summary of why I think they shouldn't be paid.

I think we should continue our efforts to provide equal opportunity in schools, ensure equal availability in mortages (large federal program for this) and overall equal opportunity. But the Eli is right, a reparations program would start far more problems than it would fix.

In your eyes, the fact that I don't support reparations make me a racist? That's not a very good definition.
 
Roses

That RACIST comment was meant for me

Unregistered allways follows me around with the same comments:eek:
 
Reperations is a stupid idea. Name me one person who was a slave that is alive today? Name one person alive today who OWNED slaves. Why should we have to pay people who were never slaves money that we earned even though we (and most of our ancestors) never owned slaves. And I can garauntee you, if reperations ARE paid (They wont be, even most black people think it's a stupid idea), not a single black person except for those who started this bunch of crap will se a dime of that money.

I grew up in the ghetto, I want money. I grew up in a black neighborhood, I want money. I built myself up to where I am today, just like every other person in this country can, and it wasn't the fault of my ancestors
 
With all due respect ...there are only a small number of Blacks that would have reparations. A fringe group.
It is not a popular idea amongst the vast majority of Black folks.Killswitch
 
Black persons aren't the only persons benefitting from welfare.
They shouldn't count towards reparations anyway.
Reparations shouldn't be paid.
Slavery is over.
 
I don't agree with reparations either but I find the title of your thread to be most offensive BB. Not all African Americans are on welfare as you imply and it is a racist and misinformed way of thinking.

Dantetier in reply to your ridiculous statement: Are you a black man in America fighting racism like BB's every day so that you can make it? How dare you presume that the playing field is equal for whites and blacks in America. Yes, there are African Americans who have made it and are still making great strides DESPITE rampant racism. It's still harder to get a job or decent housing when you are not white. You have to work twice as hard as anyone else to make it. Those are realities. It's easy to sit in your white middle class houses and demand that everyone just pick themselves up by their bootstraps.

The reparation movement is not a popular one, it is only a view held by a small but vocal militant minority.
 
I'm offended by YOUR statement. How do you know what I am? How do you know I live in a white middle class house?

"I grew up in the ghetto, I want money. I grew up in a black neighborhood, I want money. I built myself up to where I am today, just like every other person in this country can, and it wasn't the fault of my ancestors"

That is me. I grew up in the ghetto of Long Beach, I grew up hungry, and alone. How dare YOU assume that just because I'm white I had it easy in life? Everything I have, I WORKED for.

And you're SEVERLY overestimating the amount of racism in this country. This isn't the fifties. Most poeple these days realize that color is just a level of Melenin. I have no sympathy for ANYONE on Welfare who doesn't truly need it. And those who TRULY need it are those who TRY to get Jobs, but can't. For those who DON'T do drugs or drink alcohol. I bet only about 10 % of people on Welfare actually NEED it. All the others are mooching on the system. Black, White Hispanic, Asian, I don't care. Every race has it's slackers.

roxanne69 said:
I don't agree with reparations either but I find the title of your thread to be most offensive BB. Not all African Americans are on welfare as you imply and it is a racist and misinformed way of thinking.

Dantetier in reply to your ridiculous statement: Are you a black man in America fighting racism like BB's every day so that you can make it? How dare you presume that the playing field is equal for whites and blacks in America. Yes, there are African Americans who have made it and are still making great strides DESPITE rampant racism. It's still harder to get a job or decent housing when you are not white. You have to work twice as hard as anyone else to make it. Those are realities. It's easy to sit in your white middle class houses and demand that everyone just pick themselves up by their bootstraps.

The reparation movement is not a popular one, it is only a view held by a small but vocal militant minority.
 
They have a "Ghetto" in Long Beach Cali?

Im not saying my ghettos better than your ghetto....but Long Beach I bet is pretty tame as far as Ghettos go......
 
Oh yeah... see... in southern california, there aren't seperations between cities, like in other places. When I was in Kansas, each town or city was seperated by miles of fields and stuff... that doesn't happen here... so the ghettos of Long Beach, LA, Compton, etc. all merge...
 
Killswitch said:
They have a "Ghetto" in Long Beach Cali?

Im not saying my ghettos better than your ghetto....but Long Beach I bet is pretty tame as far as Ghettos go......

You'd be wrong there. It's a tough and dangerous place. (From someone who's lived near there, NYC, Boston, Philadelphia, Near Atlanta, DC, etc).
 
Killswitch said:
They have a "Ghetto" in Long Beach Cali?

Im not saying my ghettos better than your ghetto....but Long Beach I bet is pretty tame as far as Ghettos go......


What a load of crap! What white ghetto did this guy grow up in? Sorry, it's rhetorical. No one who did grow up in one could possibly think that only 10% of people on welfare actually needed it. Racism IS as bad or worse than it was. (remember a guy called Rodney King?) It is an issue all the time. Only non whites think it isn't.
 
Dantetier said:
You'd be surprised... Southern Cali is all about Ghettos...

The only difference is that people can wear comfortable and lightweight clothes for a longer part of the year. The houses look a little different too.
 
roxanne69 said:
What a load of crap! What white ghetto did this guy grow up in? Sorry, it's rhetorical. No one who did grow up in one could possibly think that only 10% of people on welfare actually needed it. Racism IS as bad or worse than it was. (remember a guy called Rodney King?) It is an issue all the time. Only non whites think it isn't.

Yeah, well, when you live my life, be sure to tell me how wrong I am. Until then, keep your opinions about me to yourself
 
Hmmmm I didn't know that. It's a midwestern thing.....everyone thinks most of cali is beautiful, and full of large breasted mini skirt wearing women walking their poodles and shopping.
Thanks for blowing my fantasy Dant!....lol

Off topic or just to the side....Whats your take on all these white kids that want to act all ghetto, and like they are in a gang. I think its stupid and I know the blacks get a big laugh out of it. Their language, the clothes, the music, and their parents expensive home in the burbs. I think if any of these wannabees spent five minutes in a real ghetto setting they would go screaming home to their parents, and get right on their homework. In effect it may be a good lesson for a lot of young people.
Your thoughts?
 
Killswitch said:
Hmmmm I didn't know that. It's a midwestern thing.....everyone thinks most of cali is beautiful, and full of large breasted mini skirt wearing women walking their poodles and shopping.

That part is true. There's more Silicon in LA than in Silicon valley.
 
roxanne69 said:
What a load of crap! What white ghetto did this guy grow up in?

Long Beach (north), Compton? Watts? That's were he said he was from. Those are not reknowned as "white ghettos" and they are known as dangerous, desparate places.
 
George Carlin had a good bit about this, but hell if I can remember it. Concerning the whie kids trying to act all ghetto.... Unless you actually grow up in the ghetto, just be white and lame. That's what we are. I've noticed though, black people are so free and open with their language... if you get black kids and white kids together for any lenght of time, eventually the white kids will start talking like the black kids. I'm not saying this as a degrading remark, just something I've noticed. The only time when it's bad is when it's about drugs, and 'Ho'S and stuff like that.

It doesn't work the other way around. black guys don't assimilate the way white guys talk unless they grew up that way. I doubt Colin Powell grew up in the Ghetto.

Remeber Ebonics? Wasn't that the biggest load of crap? It was like telling black kids that they aren't smart enough to properly learn English.

Killswitch said:
Hmmmm I didn't know that. It's a midwestern thing.....everyone thinks most of cali is beautiful, and full of large breasted mini skirt wearing women walking their poodles and shopping.
Thanks for blowing my fantasy Dant!....lol

Off topic or just to the side....Whats your take on all these white kids that want to act all ghetto, and like they are in a gang. I think its stupid and I know the blacks get a big laugh out of it. Their language, the clothes, the music, and their parents expensive home in the burbs. I think if any of these wannabees spent five minutes in a real ghetto setting they would go screaming home to their parents, and get right on their homework. In effect it may be a good lesson for a lot of young people.
Your thoughts?
 
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