Do you own your body?

[BabyBoomer50s]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1640853834573676545

A bill that aims to limit minors’ ability to travel for an abortion without parental consent is unreasonable?

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Are children property?
Are parents all wonderful?

Call me old fashioned, but I don’t think it’s ok to take children across state lines for medical procedures without parental consent. I suspect most responsible adults, particularly parents, share my view.

 

[ll74]

Call me old fashioned, but I don’t think it’s ok to take children across state lines for medical procedures without parental consent. I suspect most responsible adults, particularly parents, share my view.

So a parent forcing a kid to have a child they don't want is cool

Keeping in mind that a child is 18 years as the result of a procedure

 

[adrina]

Apparently there are those who think that the parents will face the material and biological expenses associated with their teenage daughter's pregnancy.

Interesting take.

 

[adrina]

Bodily autonomy starts way before 18

Sadly, not according to the conservatives who are hellbent on having children birth children.

 

[adrina]

Of course not. Probably the same ones who commit violence against their children

This restriction will certainly help those who do.

 

[Lazaran]

Of course not. Probably the same ones who commit violence against their children

Imagine the kind of parent you have to be for your teen child to be unwilling (terrified?) to include you in conversations / decisions involving some of their most important :/ challenging life events.

Parents like that ^ aren’t worthy of the title or the “rights” associated with it.

Also:

“Adolescent mothers (aged 10–19 years) face higher risks of eclampsia, puerperal endometritis and systemic infections than women aged 20–24 years, and babies of adolescent mothers face higher risks of low birth weight, preterm birth and severe neonatal condition. Sep 15, 2022”

That ^ suggests (imho) young women have an even greater need for protection from forced birthing radicals (including their “loving parents”) than “free” adult women.

Forced birthing radicals, and those who countenance them imposing their will upon the vulnerable, deserve some seriously nasty karma.

*nods*

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

A bill that aims to limit minors’ ability to travel for an abortion without parental consent is unreasonable?

Would you agree with the converse?
If a parent insisted that a minor have an abortion against the minor’s wishes, should the minor be legally forced to comply?

 

[Lazaran]

Would you agree with the converse?
If a parent insisted that a minor have an abortion against the minor’s wishes, should the minor be legally forced to comply?

That ^ does pose a dilemma for the legally unassailable / unquestionable parental authority crowd.

Though ultimately, it will never face a legal challenge, because pro-choice parents would NEVER place that condition on their child. - Especially just to prove a point.

Pro-Choice means exactly that. - The choice to have an abortion OR to have the child.

Choices are seldom a bad thing in situations where there are competing risks and rewards. - And the choice to bring another life into the world is THE MOST challenging risk vs reward situation a minor teen girl will ever face.

*nods*

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

It does not come as any great surprise that many on this thread are appalled by the proposed parental consent legislation in Idaho. Many if not most here fervently believe in abortion on demand at any age, any stage of pregnancy, anywhere and everywhere, with no restrictions. Some even expect taxpayers to fund the procedure.

Fortunately this mindset is not reflective of prevailing sentiment and law across the country. A majority of states (36) require parental involvement. Planned Parenthood has a summary of each state’s laws regarding abortion for minors under 18 years of age. Twenty one states require parental consent, 3 of which require both parents to consent; 10 states require parental notification only, 1 of which requires that both parents be notified; 6 states require both parental consent and notification. There are grey areas of course and often courts are involved but in general, the notion of parental rights over medical procedures for their children is widely accepted.

 

[ll74]

It does not come as any great surprise that many on this thread are appalled by the proposed parental consent legislation in Idaho. Many if not most here fervently believe in abortion on demand at any age, any stage of pregnancy, anywhere and everywhere, with no restrictions. Some even expect taxpayers to fund the procedure.

Fortunately this mindset is not reflective of prevailing sentiment and law across the country. A majority of states (36) require parental involvement. Planned Parenthood has a summary of each state’s laws regarding abortion for minors under 18 years of age. Twenty one states require parental consent, 3 of which require both parents to consent; 10 states require parental notification only, 1 of which requires that both parents be notified; 6 states require both parental consent and notification. There are grey areas of course and often courts are involved but in general, the notion of parental rights over medical procedures for their children is widely accepted.

A woman who is capable of having a child is capable of.making decisions about her own body.

 

[adrina]

The laws regulating abortion are not being written with the welfare of the woman in mind. Instead they are being written at a punitive level and being used as such. The legislation is always poorly written, will have all sorts of unintended consequences and the people writing the legislation will face none of those but instead it will end up essentially punishing a woman just because she got pregnant. The laws are never written for the benefit of the woman or the community but instead are written to try to stop abortion at all costs. Regardless of the actual costs.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

A woman who is capable of having a child is capable of.making decisions about her own body.

Most states recognize that having the physical capability to get pregnant and give birth at puberty does not equate to having the capability of making responsible medical decisions.

 

[ll74]

Most states recognize that having the physical capability to get pregnant and give birth at puberty does not equate to having the capability of making responsible medical decisions.

Most states are wrong.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Most states are wrong.

That’s your opinion and this is an appropriate place to express it. This thread provides a safe space for pro-abortion advocates to post grievances over US abortion laws.

 

[ll74]

That’s your opinion and this is an appropriate place to express it. This thread provides a safe space for pro-abortion advocates to post grievances over US abortion laws.

This forum is a place where people can express themselves, correct. It's kind of an internet thing

For example, anti-abortion folks have also expressed themselves on this and other threads.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1643790208427765761

https://twitter.com/x/status/1643763408418795520

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1643790208427765761

https://twitter.com/x/status/1643763408418795520

Very misleading. Adults are not prohibited from traveling out of state for abortions. Minors are not prohibited from doing so either with parental permission.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1643799312198164480

https://twitter.com/x/status/1644470313395077120

https://twitter.com/x/status/1644470813507330048

https://twitter.com/x/status/1644477856729427969

https://twitter.com/x/status/1644445002662125568

 

[ericalauren]

I love ask_aubrey (on Twitter).

 

[adrina]

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/3873279-federal-judge-shuts-down-abortion-pill-approval/

Federal judge blocks abortion pill approval​

In an unprecedented decision, a federal judge in Texas has issued a stay that will shut down the prescribing and distribution of mifepristone in seven days, one of two drugs used for medication abortions that has been on the market in the U.S. for more than two decades.


District Court Judge Matthew Kacsmaryk, an appointee of former President Trump, gave the government a weeklong window to appeal and seek emergency relief before his ruling goes into effect.


The FDA appealed the decision to the conservative 5th Circuit Court of Appeals later on Friday.

Kacsmaryk sided with the antiabortion group that brought the lawsuit and said the agency’s approval process was improperly rushed, and resulted in an unsafe drug regimen getting on the market.


Kacsmaryk said that FDA violated federal standards when it first approved mifepristone 23 years ago.


“The Court does not second-guess FDA’s decision-making lightly. But here, FDA acquiesced on its legitimate safety concerns — in violation of its statutory duty — based on plainly unsound reasoning and studies that did not support its conclusions.”

(Never mind over two decades of use without issues.)

The lawsuit claims the drug is unsafe and alleges that the FDA failed to study it carefully enough. Legal experts said the argument was purely political and had no merit, but the lawsuit was strategically filed in the Northern District of Texas so that Kacsmaryk was guaranteed to hear it.


Medication abortion is the most common method for terminating a pregnancy, and ever since the Supreme Court’s decision overturning Roe v. Wade in June, pregnant Americans have increasingly turned to abortion pills.

Birth control next.

Bet on it. Unless people wake the fuck up.

States rights my ass.

 

[adrina]

https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/08/politics/abortion-pill-ruling-democrats-republicans/index.html

“Dobbs was supposed to leave abortion laws up to the states. But now, unelected Republican judges are making decisions for every single person in the country. That’s going to motivate voters, especially those who are feeling the impact of these anti-abortion rulings for the first time,” said Danielle Deiseroth, the interim executive director of liberal think tank and pollster Data For Progress.

Not holding my breath for any massive increased voter turnout considering what happened at the midterms after Roe was overturned.

This is the reality of republican conservative hypocrisy and an electorate too sluggish and apathetic to act.

 

[butters]

If Kacsmaryk’s ruling stands, and abortion pills no longer have approval from the FDA, doctors and pharmacists would have to stop providing them — even in states that have passed laws protecting abortion rights. Pharmacists can only dispense FDA-approved drugs.

Kacsmaryk gave the federal government 7 days to file an appeal. And within hours of his ruling, a federal court in Washington state handed down a contradictory order prohibiting the FDA from making any changes to mifepristone’s availability.

How it works: Over half of U.S. abortions are performed with medication, rather than surgery.

What’s next: The Justice Department will appeal Kacsmaryk’s ruling quickly, and it’ll likely move through the process faster than usual. That would set the stage for yet another Supreme Court showdown over abortion rights less than a year after the court struck down Roe v. Wade and just as the 2024 election is approaching.

• In addition to Friday’s ruling on abortion pills, he previously struck down a program that allowed teens to access birth control without a parent’s consent.

i cannot believe SCOTUS will allow this to stand, even after roe.v.wade: one judge in one state making a ruling that affects ALL states, even those who've ruled abortion access as a right?

https://www.axios.com/2023/04/08/abortion-pill-us-supreme-court?utm_source=microsoft-start

 

[butters]

well now the 'sleeping giant' has 'woke'n:

Put simply, the battle against abortion has landed squarely on the doorstep of the biotech and pharma (biopharma) industry. And after evading the issue for so long, the industry leapt into action over the past five days: Nearly 600 executives (and counting), including some of the most prominent players in the field, have signed a scathing letter criticizing Kacsmaryk’s ruling as unscientific “judicial activism” that puts “an entire industry focused on medical innovation at risk.”

Their letter demands the swift “reversal of this decision,” noting that it puts “any drug” at risk of “the same outcome.” An amicus brief filed on behalf of biopharma heavyweights (including Pfizer) similarly warns that the decision will “result in a seismic shift in the clinical development and drug approval processes, erecting unnecessary and unscientific barriers to the approval of lifesaving medicines, chilling drug development and investment, threatening patient access, and destabilizing the pharmaceutical industry.”

This reaction suggests that the anti-abortion movement has made a grievous tactical error: In its reckless quest to obtain a nationwide block on mifepristone, the movement has awakened a sleeping giant, turning biopharma into an extremely well-funded and politically connected foe. That tectonic shift has major implications not only for this particular case, but for the right’s broader efforts to use the courts as a shortcut to a 50-state abortion ban. Abortion rights advocates just gained one of the most powerful corporate allies in the country.

of course, a woman's autonomy should never have to depend on big money from big industries. But allies are allies when fighting such a war as this is.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/me...p&cvid=92f5a0d281db456589067d3a8c419d5d&ei=26

 

[adrina]

The reality is that penicillin is more dangerous than mifepristone. And ironically so is viagra.