Another successful school shooting today.

[Bdm20]

The NRA chimes in with solid logic.

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And with that logic

The NRA chimes in with solid logic.

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And following that logic further, if you heighten security at all schools do a shooter can’t enter and slaughter the children, they will shift to shooting them as they exit at the end of the day.

You could then buy up all the homes around the schools so you could have a large perimeter around the school with armed guards searching each parents car before letting them through the fortified gates. Then everyone’s safe, right?

Wrong. Then the massacres will shift to playgrounds, or shopping malls, or movie theaters as people exit.

You can’t stop crazy if crazy has access to assault rifles. All you can do is shift their targets to something easier. And their will ALWAYS be something easier.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Bless your heart. I bet you believe Washington chopped down the cherry tree and Lincoln was born in a log cabin. You think if more people voted the influence of billions of dollars of dark money funneled to Democrats will just go away like magic? Biden could sign Medicare for All into law TODAY. He could lower all drug prices TODAY. He could legalize marijuana TODAY. Why isn't he doing it? Enough people voted for him. He has the power. Why isn't it being done? This bullshit about more people needing to vote in order to affect change is just that, pure bullshit.

Billions? WOW you live in a fantasy world. Ignoring that Biden could not sign Medicare for All into law today if he chose he's already stated he would veto it if it crossed his desk so he just doesn't want to. I do not know his specific reasons, I think its a bad call but there it is, he just doesn't want that.

He could not lower all drug prices today, that would require, like the above an act of Congress. He's not nearly as powerful as you give him credit for. Do I think he WANTS to do that? No, no I do not, but the fact remains he couldn't if he wanted to so there is that.

The only thing you list that he could do, or try anyway is to legalize marijuana. But that would be signing away the presidency to the right until 2032 in a best case scenario and it could be much worse if Trump get elected cus his vice would likely get two terms taking us clear to 2040 and that's WAY to many Supreme Court Justices to risk by looking weak on crime.

I'm not sure more people voting will fix anything as long as the EC is in place because I have no real incentive to vote and I feel like people in CA, TX and NY not to mention many other states, I only mention those three because of population don't have a reason to vote. If you a conservative in CA or NY, well good luck on a Representative but you're not getting a Senator or President and if you're a Lib in TX again I wish you the best with rep but I wouldn't hold my breath for a Senator and I looked it up a while back, I don't think I was alive the last time Texas went "blue" which wasn't even a thing back then but still.

 

[BluesDriver66]

You're too much of an idiot to think you can be that condescending.

Especially with that kind of understanding of politics and numbers.

Why isn't it being done? Because he doesn't have a mandate because there is not a clear majority in the senate or the house because... JFC, give me a record to break .... half of the eligible voters in America can't get off their asses to demand it.

Didn't I tell you your ass is not a legitimate news source. Here are the cold hard facts. The majority of Americans want Medicare for All. Biden vows to kill it if it comes across his desk. The voting has been done. He won. It's clear what the majority in his own party want and what the majority of Americans want (including Republicans). Biden isn't doing it. Why? Because he needs more votes? Bullshit.

69 Percent of Americans Want Medicare for All, Including 46 Percent of Republicans, New Poll Says​

A newly released poll shows that 69 percent of registered voters support Medicare for All, a plan which would create a national health insurance plan available for all Americans.

The poll also showed 46 percent of Republican voters supporting Medicare for All alongside 88 percent of Democrats and 68 percent of Independents.

https://www.newsweek.com/69-percent...-46-percent-republicans-new-poll-says-1500187


Former Vice President Joe Biden suggested Monday that he would veto the universal health-care legislation known as “Medicare for All”
Former Vice President Joe Biden suggested that he would veto the universal health-care legislation known as “Medicare for All” championed by his Democratic presidential primary rival Sen. Bernie Sanders, citing costs.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/10/bid...-coronavirus-focuses-attention-on-health.html

 

[Sean Renaud]

46% of Americans want Medicare for All until Mitch comes out and tells them that MfA would be socialism, and socialism leads to communism and you know who was a commie?! Stalin, Mao, and Castro. Those men tried to NUKE YOU! And the number drops to 20% or so.

The same exact thing happens depending on if you call the ACA "Affordable Care Act" or "Obamacare". One was good for them and one is socialism.

 

[BluesDriver66]

​

Billions? WOW you live in a fantasy world. Ignoring that Biden could not sign Medicare for All into law today if he chose he's already stated he would veto it if it crossed his desk so he just doesn't want to. I do not know his specific reasons, I think its a bad call but there it is, he just doesn't want that.

He could not lower all drug prices today, that would require, like the above an act of Congress. He's not nearly as powerful as you give him credit for. Do I think he WANTS to do that? No, no I do not, but the fact remains he couldn't if he wanted to so there is that.

The only thing you list that he could do, or try anyway is to legalize marijuana. But that would be signing away the presidency to the right until 2032 in a best case scenario and it could be much worse if Trump get elected cus his vice would likely get two terms taking us clear to 2040 and that's WAY to many Supreme Court Justices to risk by looking weak on crime.

I'm not sure more people voting will fix anything as long as the EC is in place because I have no real incentive to vote and I feel like people in CA, TX and NY not to mention many other states, I only mention those three because of population don't have a reason to vote. If you a conservative in CA or NY, well good luck on a Representative but you're not getting a Senator or President and if you're a Lib in TX again I wish you the best with rep but I wouldn't hold my breath for a Senator and I looked it up a while back, I don't think I was alive the last time Texas went "blue" which wasn't even a thing back then but still.

You're as wrong as wrong as wrong can be.

‘Dark money’ groups have poured billions into federal elections since the Supreme Court’s 2010 Citizens United decision​

“Dark money” groups have poured billions of dollars into influencing federal elections since the Supreme Court’s Citizens United v. FEC decision on Jan. 21, 2010, as elections become increasingly expensive and less transparent.

https://www.opensecrets.org/news/20...supreme-courts-2010-citizens-united-decision/

How Biden Could Give Everyone Medicare on His Own​

The entire United States has been under a public health emergency since January 31, 2020, due to the coronavirus. (It’s possible that the Environmental Protection Agency would have to declare a separate public health emergency under the Superfund law to comply with the statute, but Biden’s EPA administrator could easily do so.) Individuals eligible for Medicare would have to have spent six months in the geographic area subject to the emergency; since the area is “the entire United States,” this should not be a problem, either.

https://prospect.org/day-one-agenda/how-biden-could-give-everyone-medicare-on-his-own/

Biden Can and Should Enact Medicare for All​

President Biden received the most votes of any presidential candidate in history in an election with the highest turnout since 1908. He should leverage his historic mandate and considerable popularity to usher in this change.

https://sites.utexas.edu/bainesreport/2021/04/05/biden-can-and-should-enact-medicare-for-all/

 

[adrina]

I'm not sure more people voting will fix anything as long as the EC is in place because I have no real incentive to vote and I feel like people in CA, TX and NY not to mention many other states, I only mention those three because of population don't have a reason to vote. If you a conservative in CA or NY, well good luck on a Representative but you're not getting a Senator or President and if you're a Lib in TX again I wish you the best with rep but I wouldn't hold my breath for a Senator and I looked it up a while back, I don't think I was alive the last time Texas went "blue" which wasn't even a thing back then but still.

One of the biggest misunderstandings - and honestly I feel purposefully spread by the anti voting propagandists - is that gerrymandering is not really that difficult to overcome. All it takes is a medium sized wave to take on gerrymandering. It's being proven in these small races around the country as some folks are finally waking up (not enough, but some).

For those that do the gerrymandering in the states with a more evenly matched voter registration numbers between the parties, they want to keep it a safe district with the least number votes possible. They have to spread the voters around to be most effective for them. So they create weirdo pockets and drunken cow lined districts to try to keep the advantage. There is a great deal of money to be made with anti voting propaganda and voter suppression efforts.

I'm not fond of the EC. I understand its history and the reason it was created. The biggest logistical issue with the EC is that it can be exploited with low political engagement - which we happen to have records lows of currently. However it's not going anywhere any time soon. Especially with people being as disengaged as they are.

The one thing I don't understand is why anyone anywhere would argue against increased voter turn out. Well I understand why republicans don't like it - they tend to lose. But realistically no one should ever have anything against working toward and wanting more people to be engaged and active. God knows we're seeing right now what happens when they aren't.

 

[adrina]

Didn't I tell you your ass is not a legitimate news source. Here are the cold hard facts. The majority of Americans want Medicare for All. Biden vows to kill it if it comes across his desk. The voting has been done. He won. It's clear what the majority in his own party want and what the majority of Americans want (including Republicans). Biden isn't doing it. Why? Because he needs more votes? Bullshit.

69 Percent of Americans Want Medicare for All, Including 46 Percent of Republicans, New Poll Says​

A newly released poll shows that 69 percent of registered voters support Medicare for All, a plan which would create a national health insurance plan available for all Americans.

The poll also showed 46 percent of Republican voters supporting Medicare for All alongside 88 percent of Democrats and 68 percent of Independents.

https://www.newsweek.com/69-percent...-46-percent-republicans-new-poll-says-1500187


Former Vice President Joe Biden suggested Monday that he would veto the universal health-care legislation known as “Medicare for All”
Former Vice President Joe Biden suggested that he would veto the universal health-care legislation known as “Medicare for All” championed by his Democratic presidential primary rival Sen. Bernie Sanders, citing costs.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/10/bid...-coronavirus-focuses-attention-on-health.html

Yeah too bad that over a third of Americans aren't registered to vote and that half of them can't be bothered to vote actively.

Oopsies.

 

[BluesDriver66]

46% of Americans want Medicare for All until Mitch comes out and tells them that MfA would be socialism, and socialism leads to communism and you know who was a commie?! Stalin, Mao, and Castro. Those men tried to NUKE YOU! And the number drops to 20% or so.

The same exact thing happens depending on if you call the ACA "Affordable Care Act" or "Obamacare". One was good for them and one is socialism.

It's completely sad and utterly pathetic that Democrats can't sell a public policy that will save money and make you live longer.

 

[BluesDriver66]

Yeah too bad that over a third of Americans aren't registered to vote and that half of them can't be bothered to vote actively.

Oopsies.

Did logic just escape your brain. Biden won. He doesn't need any more votes to start doing his job of representing the majority American's interests.

 

[adrina]

Did logic just escape your brain. Biden won. He doesn't need any more votes to start doing his job of representing the majority American's interests.

Dude, this is too stupid. You've already been told about the limitations and the reality of how our government works. Biden isn't a king, he doesn't have a mandate and there is no super majority in either chamber.

You don't seem to understand this basic reality.

 

[Sean Renaud]

​

You're as wrong as wrong as wrong can be.

‘Dark money’ groups have poured billions into federal elections since the Supreme Court’s 2010 Citizens United decision​

“Dark money” groups have poured billions of dollars into influencing federal elections since the Supreme Court’s Citizens United v. FEC decision on Jan. 21, 2010, as elections become increasingly expensive and less transparent.

https://www.opensecrets.org/news/20...supreme-courts-2010-citizens-united-decision/

How Biden Could Give Everyone Medicare on His Own​

The entire United States has been under a public health emergency since January 31, 2020, due to the coronavirus. (It’s possible that the Environmental Protection Agency would have to declare a separate public health emergency under the Superfund law to comply with the statute, but Biden’s EPA administrator could easily do so.) Individuals eligible for Medicare would have to have spent six months in the geographic area subject to the emergency; since the area is “the entire United States,” this should not be a problem, either.

https://prospect.org/day-one-agenda/how-biden-could-give-everyone-medicare-on-his-own/

Biden Can and Should Enact Medicare for All​

President Biden received the most votes of any presidential candidate in history in an election with the highest turnout since 1908. He should leverage his historic mandate and considerable popularity to usher in this change.

https://sites.utexas.edu/bainesreport/2021/04/05/biden-can-and-should-enact-medicare-for-all/

Billions over twelve years is barely real money so okay I thought you meant annually not accrued.

I want Medicare for all and if Biden pulled that kind of work around to provide MEdicare for all I would hope he got impeached and removed from office. That is such a bullshit abuse of the rules as written that I couldn't support anybody that corrupt.

I'm curious how often the president, at least a democrat, doesn't have the most votes of any president ever.

 

[Sean Renaud]

It's completely sad and utterly pathetic that Democrats can't sell a public policy that will save money and make you live longer.

Its just not what they do, not public policy, not on wars, barely on social issues. At least they TRY there.

 

[TrailerHitch]

Perhaps if anyone really gave a shit they would stop whining about money and add to the security of schools. Mandatory lock down of schools during the day with no admittance without a key or being buzzed in by the office. SRO's (police officers) in ALL schools, or private security paid for by the school district, or trained and armed employees of the school available anytime there are students in the school. This can all be done starting tomorrow while we argue incessantly about gun control.

 

[BluesDriver66]

Dude, this is too stupid. You've already been told about the limitations and the reality of how our government works. Biden isn't a king, he doesn't have a mandate and there is no super majority in either chamber.

You don't seem to understand this basic reality.

So the reality is President Biden can't in anyway fight for, endorse, or enact Medicare for All which would save 45,000 American needless deaths every year because enough people haven't begged and pleaded with him enough? He needs more votes, even though he already won, to do the right thing?

Every other civilized nation on Earth has universal health care. Governments over there seem to work just fine. But in the United States of America, the richest nation in the history of richest nation can't figure out how to provide universal health care for it's citizens even though a clear majority of citizens want it? We can put a man on the moon but we can't provide pap smears and affordable drugs like some out of this world fantasy land like Canada?

You keep drinking that Kool Aid and letting the millionaire and billionaire class tell you what's possible and what's not possible. One thing for sure there will always be that threshold that's just out of reach that prevents them from doing anything that threatens corporate profits. "Oh we really wanted to enact universal health care when we won the election but enough people didn't vote us".

 

[Sean Renaud]

Perhaps if anyone really gave a shit they would stop whining about money and add to the security of schools. Mandatory lock down of schools during the day with no admittance without a key or being buzzed in by the office. SRO's (police officers) in ALL schools, or private security paid for by the school district, or trained and armed employees of the school available anytime there are students in the school. This can all be done starting tomorrow while we argue incessantly about gun control.

We're not all cowardly pieces of shit. I don't want my schools to look and be treated like prisons. I'm happy that of the four schools I attended only the elementry was locked up in a way that would prevent you from just walking out at will.
Given how bad friendly fire is among military people you really want armed people, lets not even get into how cops treat minorities.

This is the kind of idea that makes dictators dicks hard, cus you've got them conditioned from a young age to think these kinds of conditions are acceptable when they absolutely aren't.

 

[Bdm20]

Perhaps if anyone really gave a shit they would stop whining about money and add to the security of schools. Mandatory lock down of schools during the day with no admittance without a key or being buzzed in by the office. SRO's (police officers) in ALL schools, or private security paid for by the school district, or trained and armed employees of the school available anytime there are students in the school. This can all be done starting tomorrow while we argue incessantly about gun control.

Scroll up and read post #54 above. You could turn every school into Fort Knox and all you would accomplish is changing the venue for the next slaughter of our children.

It’s a bit like the question of “how fast do you have to be to escape a charging bear?” The answer to that is “faster than the buddy you’re with.” They’ll just move on to a softer target. The exit of the school outside at the end of the school day, Another school with less fortification, a playground with young mothers and their infants…. The obvious answer is banning assault rifles.

You can’t fortify every park, movie theater, playground, etc. and even if you could, the shooter will sit in wait beyond the edge of the fortification.

Politicians who are owned by the NRA and send out Holiday photos with themselves and their children brandishing assault rifles in front of their Christmas trees ARE the problem.

We MUST continue to argue incessantly about gun control until laws are changed.

 

[Sean Renaud]

So the reality is President Biden can't in anyway fight for, endorse, or enact Medicare for All which would save 45,000 American needless deaths every year because enough people haven't begged and pleaded with him enough? He needs more votes, even though he already won, to do the right thing?

Every other civilized nation on Earth has universal health care. Governments over there seem to work just fine. But in the United States of America, the richest nation in the history of richest nation can't figure out how to provide universal health care for it's citizens even though a clear majority of citizens want it? We can put a man on the moon but we can't provide pap smears and affordable drugs like some out of this world fantasy land like Canada?

You keep drinking that Kool Aid and letting the millionaire and billionaire class tell you what's possible and what's not possible. One thing for sure there will always be that threshold that's just out of reach that prevents them from doing anything that threatens corporate profits. "Oh we really wanted to enact universal health care when we won the election but enough people didn't vote us".

I already covered this, he doesn't want Medicare for all. Damned if I know why other than he probably has donors who benefit but even THAT barely makes sense. He's old, even lets say he runs again and wins he got MAYBE two more decades on this planet and that's not likely but hey he could be like Jimmy Carter (who isn't gonna make it) or Betty White who missed the big 100 by a few scant weeks. I wouldn't count on it so he's got nothing to lose politically.

Other countries didn't get sold on capitalism the way far too many Americans have been. America being the richest nation in history is one of those things you have to really squint and turn your head sideways for it to be true. I mean that's about when you have to start saying almost any random nation on the planet is richer than any country was a century ago. You're not exactly wrong but you're really not adjusting for inflation.

This isn't about the millionaires at all. Multimillion? Sure but a plain old millionaire doesn't benefit from the current system anymore than you or I do. In much of this country a millionaire ain't shit. I obviously don't talk financial details with my friends but I'm certain two of my friends either are millionaires or will be the moment their parents die. Billionaires, there aren't that many of them and as far as we can tell Gates, Soros, and Buffet are all on our side. The rest either don't actually participate much in politics (which I don't find hard to believe if I was that far outside the game I probably stop playing too) or at least are smart enough to hide it behind dark money and corporations so we have no real clue what say the Waltons (owners of Walmart) really care about. And I mean on anything. Same goes for the Kardashians of which I'm pretty sure at least two are billionaires cus Kloe holds the record for youngest Billionaire and I'd be shocked if Kim didn't get there first, she was just older than her baby sister when it happened for her.

I don't believe for a second those two are against the LGBT community. I take Kim at face value that she thinks the Justice System in the US is broken, now why she chose to talk to Trump rather than Obama and hasn't (to my knowledge) tried to speak with Biden is a separate issue but one that could be as simple as they didn't/don't seem as interested in celebrities as Trump always was. I don't follow celebs with the exception of when you can't really ignore them but I believe Kim when she says she's scared of Kanye but wants to do right by her kids for what its worth. I'm convinced he's sick. Like, dude get some help. I never liked your music but the next time I hear about you I want it to be "You're back in the number 1 slot" not you shot Kim, North and then yourself."

PS: Dear Mitch, retire. I do not wish you harm but two weeks rest for a slip and fall. You're too old for. . .existing so please enjoy the rest of your days with whatever family you have. I'm sure somewhere out there is someone who will genuinely miss you when you're gone. You're not Donald Trump who basically went on national TV and said he doesn't like his kids.

 

[schism666]

Usually not a situation most children have a say in.

it's a good thing children aren't allowed to post here.

 

[jaF0]

Perhaps if anyone really gave a shit they would stop whining about money and add to the security of schools. Mandatory lock down of schools during the day with no admittance without a key or being buzzed in by the office. SRO's (police officers) in ALL schools, or private security paid for by the school district, or trained and armed employees of the school available anytime there are students in the school. This can all be done starting tomorrow while we argue incessantly about gun control.

And what about grocery stores? And hospitals? And shopping malls? And churches? And open air concert venues? And holiday parades?

How about them, unhitched?

 

[adrina]

So the reality is President Biden can't in anyway fight for, endorse, or enact Medicare for All which would save 45,000 American needless deaths every year because enough people haven't begged and pleaded with him enough? He needs more votes, even though he already won, to do the right thing?

Every other civilized nation on Earth has universal health care. Governments over there seem to work just fine. But in the United States of America, the richest nation in the history of richest nation can't figure out how to provide universal health care for it's citizens even though a clear majority of citizens want it? We can put a man on the moon but we can't provide pap smears and affordable drugs like some out of this world fantasy land like Canada?

You keep drinking that Kool Aid and letting the millionaire and billionaire class tell you what's possible and what's not possible. One thing for sure there will always be that threshold that's just out of reach that prevents them from doing anything that threatens corporate profits. "Oh we really wanted to enact universal health care when we won the election but enough people didn't vote us".

As of right now that is absolutely 100% correct. Because we don't have a super majority in either of the two chambers that require such changes.

Good luck with your rebellion.

 

[DeluxAuto]

had the shooter worn a Trump MAGA hat you would be all over that Non STop

Yet you IGNORE THIS

WHY>

TransTerrorist

https://nypost.com/2023/03/27/nashv...tailed-manifesto-to-attack-christian-academy/

Where's your outrage at their two-parent family and Bible thumping upbringing?

HMMMM?

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

had the shooter worn a Trump MAGA hat you would be all over that Non STop

Yet you IGNORE THIS

WHY>

TransTerrorist

https://nypost.com/2023/03/27/nashv...tailed-manifesto-to-attack-christian-academy/

Please stop mentioning the shooters gender identity. If revealing a criminal’s gender identity causes harm to a marginalized group it is best to stay silent.

 

[DeluxAuto]

Please stop mentioning the shooters gender identity. If revealing a criminal’s gender identity causes harm to a marginalized group it is best to stay silent.

Morning drunks are funny.

 

[DeluxAuto]

had the shooter worn a Trump MAGA hat you would be all over that Non STop
Yet you IGNORE THIS
WHY>
TransTerrorist

If your uncle had balls he'd be your father.

I'm dealing with facts, BB. You deal with the voices in your head.

 

[ll74]

had the shooter worn a Trump MAGA hat you would be all over that Non STop
Yet you IGNORE THIS
WHY>
TransTerrorist

Are you having another aneurysm?