MAGA's policy goals

[Veroe]

I'm curious, for the right wingers on the board here: What are the policy goals the MAGA movement want to have accomplished?

 

[JohnEngelman]

I think the main goal is to restrict or stop non white immigration. I think most Trump supporters would also like to return to a time when non whites, Jews, and even white, Gentile women were discriminated against in hiring decisions. Newspapers used to have two help wanted sections. There were "Help Wanted, Men," and "Help Wanted, Women." The jobs advertised for men paid more. Many women could have performed those jobs well, but they were not wanted.

I will let the Trump supporters speak for themselves.

Speaking for myself, I am opposed to any kind of affirmative action, even affirmative action for white Gentile men, like me. I want all careers to be open to talent. My habit of praising Jews and Orientals gets me banned from white nationalist websites. They call me a race traitor.

 

[ll74]

They have no policy goals.

 

[phrodeau]

Some ideas are:

1. Abortion to be made federally illegal. To be honest, I am personally torn on this one but it's totally where all the future policy signs align. Overall I think this differentiator will be extremely good.
2. Much slower immigration with more stringent requirements on background checks themselves.

If #1 happens, Americans will knock Trump’s wall down to get into Mexico.

 

[jaF0]

They have no policy goals.

Sure they do.

Power.

Unlimited, never ending power without question.

 

[Veroe]

Some ideas are:

1. Abortion to be made federally illegal. To be honest, I am personally torn on this one but it's totally where all the future policy signs align. Overall I think this differentiator will be extremely good.
2. Much slower immigration with more stringent requirements on background checks themselves.

I thought abortion being illegal is what Evangelicals wanted which are or can be a large and influential influence upon them. Are you saying the MAGA movement as a whole are in lockstep behind banning abortions?
What about the socially libertarian republicans who would ordinarily draw the line at telling people what they can or cannot do with their own bodies? Are they so cucked to what the Evangelicals want that they'll fall in line on that just to own us Libs?

The tougher immigration one is the one policy goal I already knew of from them, and the rhetoric from both sides on it gets awfully strawmanish to me. I never trust anyone that tells me what someone else believes especially when they tell me what I believe in...like open borders or conversely wanting tougher immigration is tantamount to being racist.

There's way too much talking at people on these issues and not enough listening to what they have to say. So I want to thank you for trying to explain your thoughts on this.

 

[Lazaran]

I'm curious, for the right wingers on the board here: What are the policy goals the MAGA movement want to have accomplished?

Notice that not a single “right winger” took the opportunity to respond???

In their absence, I’ll offer an opinion.

The policy goals of the “right wingers” are just as nebulous and impracticable as those of the “left wingers”.

Currently the “right wingers” have outsized influence in the Republican Party, whereas the “left wingers” have proportional influence in the Democratic party.

That ^ is why Democrats can Govern effectively and why Republicans flail and fail.

 

[AsmodeusPrime]

I'm curious, for the right wingers on the board here: What are the policy goals the MAGA movement want to have accomplished?

1) Secure border, enforce immigration laws.

2)Generic neo-liberal economic agenda, cut taxes = magic!!!.... never mind any of that fiscal responsibility aspects....don't bring those up.

3)...

They have no policy goals.

It's one of their major issues and a major failure of the GOP to not have a platform supported with a specific policy agenda.

It's one of the more powerful things the DNC has over the GOP in my opinion, despite the fact that I disagree with it at least they have something, republicans have very little unofficially and nothing officially.

 

[ll74]

It's one of their major issues and a major failure of the GOP to not have a platform supported with a specific policy agenda.

It's one of the more powerful things the DNC has over the GOP in my opinion, despite the fact that I disagree with it at least they have something, republicans have very little unofficially and nothing officially.

Correct, they have no policy goals.

 

[JohnEngelman]

Some ideas are:

1. Abortion to be made federally illegal. To be honest, I am personally torn on this one but it's totally where all the future policy signs align. Overall I think this differentiator will be extremely good.

The religious right and white nationalists are overlapping constituencies, but they are distinct. Many white nationalists dislike Christianity because of its universalism.

 

[ll74]

The religious right and white nationalists are overlapping constituencies, but they are distinct. Many white nationalists dislike Christianity because of its universalism.

Do racists like Christianity?

 

[JohnEngelman]

Do racists like Christianity?

You will need to define what you mean by "racists" before I am able to answer your question.

 

[ll74]

You will need to define what you mean by "racists" before I am able to answer your question.

A person who finds a human being inferior or superior based on their race.

I've defined this specifically for you multiple times before.

You could just answer how you feel about it and that would suffice.

 

[JohnEngelman]

A person who finds a human being inferior or superior based on their race.

I've defined this specifically for you multiple times before.

You could just answer how you feel about it and that would suffice.

Your definition of "racist" does not fit me. I hesitate to speak for those it does fit. I would like for them to speak themselves about their feelings about Christianity.

I am an Anglican. That is a traditional Episcopalian who uses the 1928 Book of Common Prayer. Blacks are welcome at my church.

 

[ll74]

Your definition of "racist" does not fit me. I hesitate to speak for those it does fit. I would like for them to speak themselves about their feelings about Christianity.

I am an Anglican. That is a traditional Episcopalian who uses the 1928 Book of Common Prayer. Blacks are welcome at my church.

Lol....it does. You believe that blacks are inferior based on the data and arguments you provide. You just can't admit it. If you are making another argument, then tell me what it is.

 

[JohnEngelman]

Lol....it does. You believe that blacks are inferior based on the data and arguments you provide. You just can't admit it. If you are making another argument, then tell me what it is.

I believe that three characteristics that are influenced genetically are important in a population if that population is to create a thriving society. If they are widespread in a population the nation with the population will have a high standard of living, a low crime rate, and a well functioning government, even if natural resources are scant in the country, and even if the climate is harsh. As examples I would propose Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, Iceland, and Singapore. Where these characteristics are rare we can expect to find widespread poverty, a high crime rate, and a corrupt and tyrannical government, even if the country is rich in natural resources.

The characteristics are intelligence, obedience to the law, and monogamy. These characteristics can be found in each of the races, but they are more commonly found in some races than in others.

 

[ll74]

I believe that three characteristics that are influenced genetically are important in a population if that population is to create a thriving society. If they are widespread in a population the nation with the population will have a high standard of living, a low crime rate, and a well functioning government, even if natural resources are scant in the country, and even if the climate is harsh. As examples I would propose Japan, South Korea, Iceland, and Singapore. Where these characteristics are rare we can expect to find widespread poverty, a high crime rate, and a corrupt and tyrannical government, even if the country is rich in natural resources.

The characteristics are intelligence, obedience to the law, and monogamy. These characteristics can be found in each of the races, but they are more commonly found in some races than in others.

Yep....aka some races are inferior and some are superior.

You literally can't admit exactly what you are arguing because that would admit that you're a racist.

Sorry about that. Maybe don't be a racist and then you won't have that issue.

 

[JohnEngelman]

Yep....aka some races are inferior and some are superior.

You literally can't admit exactly what you are arguing because that would admit that you're a racist.

Sorry about that. Maybe don't be a racist and then you won't have that issue.

I have known Negroes who were more admirable than most of the whites I have known.

 

[ll74]

I have known Negroes who were more admirable than most of the whites I have known.

That's not the argument you continue to make.

 

[AsmodeusPrime]

It's a shame there isn't better leadership in the GOP.

I think MAGA/America First is on the right track and with better leadership they just need to take the final steps and get behind some policy positions.

1) Keep on the free speech, pro-self defense/2A, pro-private property, pro-states rights and capitalism train...... it's the winner.

2) Nationalism.....go hard on the America first train.... we seriously need some regulations restricting the amount of residential property that foreign nationals and multinational corporations can have and would likely find bipartisan support here. Border/immigration laws of course will be condemned as Nazism but whatever... re-establishing our military as a combat force, not a social justice diversity, equity and inclusion experiment.

3) Get rid of these huge omnibus bills that are 90+% filled with shit that has absolutely nothing to do with what the bill says it is. If you can't get your shit passed honestly you don't get it. Might even get some bipartisan support here too.

4) Do a real crime and criminal justice system reform. One that focuses an prioritizes taking down most violent and destructive criminals first.

5) Urge red states to fight back against Democrats with ban on sexually explicit materials or activities in public schools K-5th. If we don't, they will.

 

[ll74]

It's a shame there isn't better leadership in the GOP.

I think MAGA/America First is on the right track and with better leadership they just need to take the final steps and get behind some policy positions.

1) Keep on the free speech, pro-self defense/2A, pro-private property, pro-states rights and capitalism train...... it's the winner.

2) Nationalism.....go hard on the America first train.... we seriously need some regulations restricting the amount of residential property that foreign nationals and multinational corporations can have and would likely find bipartisan support here. Border/immigration laws of course will be condemned as Nazism but whatever... re-establishing our military as a combat force, not a social justice diversity, equity and inclusion experiment.

3) Get rid of these huge omnibus bills that are 90+% filled with shit that has absolutely nothing to do with what the bill says it is. If you can't get your shit passed honestly you don't get it. Might even get some bipartisan support here too.

4) Do a real crime and criminal justice system reform. One that focuses an prioritizes taking down most violent and destructive criminals first.

5) Urge red states to fight back against Democrats with ban on sexually explicit materials or activities in public schools K-5th. If we don't, they will.

You should run for office.

 

[AsmodeusPrime]

You should run for office.

And accidentally shot myself in the back of the head twice?? Nah....

I'm a capitalist, I don't hate men or white people... that makes me a right wing extremist add the free speech and I'm clearly a semi-fascist MAGA. I would have Democrats trying to murder me 24/7.

 

[BluesDriver66]

Currently the “right wingers” have outsized influence in the Republican Party , where as the “left wingers” have proportional influence in the Democratic party.

That ^ is why Democrats can Govern effectively and why Republicans flail and fail.

That is so much horse shit. Giant piles of it.

1. The majority of Americans (Republicans and Democrats) want Medicare for All. The Democratic party opposes it. They just don't oppose the the left wingers in the party. They oppose left policies that even Republicans support. They actively oppose it.

2. Losing long held Constitutional rights like access to abortion or losing a Presidential election to a racist, blithering idiot, television game show host with no political experience. is not what i would call, "Democrats governing effectively".


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“Joe Biden just told @Lawrence that as president he would veto Medicare for All if it passed both houses and came to his desk.”

https://www.politifact.com/factchec...iden-was-asked-if-he-would-veto-medicare-all/

Pelosi: ‘I’m not a big fan of Medicare for All’ ​

Pelosi has previously declined to embrace a push among progressive lawmakers for the health care proposal and has raised doubts about the idea, though her latest remarks are more critical than statements earlier this year, when she said she was “agnostic.”{mosads}

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/468553-pelosi-im-not-a-big-fan-of-medicare-for-all/

Top Nancy Pelosi Aide Privately Tells Insurance Executives Not to Worry About Democrats Pushing “Medicare for All”​

Less than a month after Democrats — many of them running on “Medicare for All” — won back control of the House of Representatives in November, the top health policy aide to then-prospective House Speaker Nancy Pelosi met with Blue Cross Blue Shield executives and assured them that party leadership had strong reservations about single-payer health care...

https://theintercept.com/2019/02/05/nancy-pelosi-medicare-for-all/

 

[icanhelp1]

I'm curious, for the right wingers on the board here: What are the policy goals the MAGA movement want to have accomplished?

Conservatives, republicans and true liberals;

1. Real immigration reform

2. Increase funding for ICE, BP and border security. Justice reform, DOJ and FBI

3. Lower taxes and reduce spending.

4. Eliminate restrictive regulations on oil production, allow markets to drive green energy initiatives.

5. Push for voting initiatives, early voting, voting by mail and other voting initiatives democrats do so well.

6. Unify the republican party.

7. Reign in big tech.

 

[ll74]

Conservatives, republicans and true liberals;

1. Real immigration reform

2. Increase funding for ICE, BP and border security.

3. Lower taxes and reduce spending

4. Eliminate restrictive regulations on oil production, allow markets to drive green energy initiatives.

5. Push for voting initiatives, early voting, voting by mail and other voting initiatives democrats do so well.

6. Unify the republican party.

7. Reign in big tech.

1. What changes to the laws do you want?
2. They've been increased every year
3. 45 reduced them for a short while, but only made them permanent for people outside of your pay grade
4. We're producing more oil now than we have in the last 5 years. More natural gas than ever.
5. Push for more voting all you want...you should've been doing that already
6. No one in the GOP wants to unite
7. Big tech meaning social media or all big tech?