Define "woke"

[ffish1]

More Whining:

More than a million Americans ration insulin as prices skyrocket​

More than 1 million Americans with diabetes have to ration lifesaving insulin because they can't afford it, a new study shows.

https://www.upi.com/Health_News/2022/10/18/Americans-rationing-insulin/2331666098254/

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I know...
I was absolutely shocked.

 

[PaxNurgle]

If Americans had better health care, things like this wouldn't happen. And yes, it's inexcusable. I don't want to be "That guy" who always points fingers, but lets just say, one of the two political parties is constantly trying to cut health care, take health care away from people, and blocking any attempts to improve health care, because it's "Socialism" or whatever.

 

[BluesDriver66]

Yep...glad you realize it.

Americans dying needlessly is whining now. How fucking heartless. Seriously. You have that much lack of compassion for your fellow country men and women? How sad is that. How is that any different from heartless Republicans that turn a blind eye to needless suffering and preventable deaths?

New study finds 45,000 deaths annually linked to lack of health coverage​

Nearly 45,000 annual deaths are associated with lack of health insurance, according to a new study published online today by the American Journal of Public Health. That figure is about two and a half times higher than an estimate from the Institute of Medicine

https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/st...s-annually-linked-to-lack-of-health-coverage/

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[BluesDriver66]

If Americans had better health care, things like this wouldn't happen. And yes, it's inexcusable. I don't want to be "That guy" who always points fingers, but lets just say, one of the two political parties is constantly trying to cut health care, take health care away from people, and blocking any attempts to improve health care, because it's "Socialism" or whatever.

Well you're half right.

Senate Democrats Drop the Public Option to Woo Lieberman, and Liberals Howl​

December 15, 2009 -- Democratic senators traveled to the White House on Tuesday for a meeting with President Obama aimed at building a united front on health care, and Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman said he'd likely join with them in backing a measure that dropped a government-sponsored insurance program.

https://www.commonwealthfund.org/pu...public-option-woo-lieberman-and-liberals-howl

Democrats Fend Off Attempts to Back Medicare for All in Platform​

Democrats rejected efforts to amend the party’s platform to show support for Medicare for All and legalizing marijuana, as they moved the document closer to adoption by delegates to next month’s convention.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/democr...back-medicare-for-all-in-platform-11595898534

87% of Democrats Support 'Medicare for All,' Though Joe Biden Doesn't​

Joe Biden has not embraced the Medicare for All

https://www.newsweek.com/87-democrats-support-medicare-all-though-joe-biden-doesnt-1522833

Pelosi aide sought to undercut Medicare for All​

A top aide to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi used a private meeting to encourage health policy groups to raise public concerns about “Medicare for All“ just weeks after Democrats recaptured the House majority, multiple people familiar with the session told POLITICO

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/04/02/pelosi-medicare-for-all-1311167

Pelosi: ‘I’m not a big fan of Medicare for All’​

Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said Friday that she is “not a big fan” of “Medicare for All,” the health care proposal advocated by progressives that has gained ground in the Democratic Party, especially among its presidential candidates.

Pelosi has previously declined to embrace a push among progressive lawmakers for the health care proposal and has raised doubts about the idea, though her latest remarks are more critical than statements earlier this year, when she said she was “agnostic.”

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/468553-pelosi-im-not-a-big-fan-of-medicare-for-all/

 

[BluesDriver66]

Which part is you doing something versus you whining?

Hey dude, if you've given up here, move to one of those countries you've listed.

Thanks

Why do you keep insisting that I do the job of a elected Congress people that get paid over 100k a year? That's their job. Not mine. That's what they get paid for. Do you even know how the system works? I vote and pay my taxes. What else do you expect me to do? Impersonate them on the House floor and do their voting for them?

 

[ffish1]

Which part is you doing something versus you whining?

Hey dude, if you've given up here, move to one of those countries you've listed.

Thanks

Exactly how long we are supposed to wait? Norway has had universal healthcare over a hundred fucking years. Every civilized nation on Earth has universal healthcare. But we have to wait? The richest nation in the history of richest nations ever? Saying we have to wait for universal healthcare because it's too hard is pure bullshit and you know it. It would be like saying we have to keep using outhouses in the 21st century because to get indoor plumbing takes a lot of work over a long period of time.

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wow. Even China (2009) and Russia (1996) got Universal Healthcare.

Xers like myself grew up during a time when you guys were top: top institutions and science, good standard of living. people could afford cancer and diabetes treatment...Everybody yearned to emigrate to the US.

Now your working class is barely making it at subsistence level, your middle class is in decline, the uninsured are dying.... Your tertiary institutions and science are still top-notch, but how long until they start declining too? When you don't pay people enough.

 

[YDB95]

Have you noticed that a characteristic of the deep divide in this type of argument is the way in which it is the person who is attacked, rather than the idea?

Yes, I definitely have noticed that. Kind of hard to miss if you frequent these boards, where anyone to the left of John McCain or so is accused of hating America every ten minutes or so.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

To be honest, I was afraid this thread was going to be a one pager and dunzo with the slow start, but this jawn is delivering. And all the OP asked was a definition of "woke."

Have you noticed that a characteristic of the deep divide in this type of argument is the way in which it is the person who is attacked, rather than the idea?

This is begging the question, "Are ideas sentient with the ability to make choices and put them into praxis, like human organisms?"

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[adrina]

Have you noticed that a characteristic of the deep divide in this type of argument is the way in which it is the person who is attacked, rather than the idea?

It's not an attack. It's not an insult. It's a simple observation.

 

[RachelWalsh]

Anything that makes sleepy Republicans angry. They need a nap. Lol

 

[icanhelp1]

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is also the person that said this


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is also the person that said this


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I don’t mind having a discussion with people who have dif view points but when the conversation always ends up with one individual railing against conservative ideas with constant barrage of woke virtue signaling bullshit, accusations of being a trumplitard and a whole host of other name calling, it just gets to a point where you just tell these individuals to just plain fuck off! There’s never a solution in their dialogue, just criticism of the other side.

One argument that constantly pops up is the cost of insulin, it’s an issue near and dear to me. That could be remedied if congress proposed a bill that deals with that issue, but instead Dems push a trillion dollar packaged bill loaded with all kinds of pork. The way congress legislates is broken, fiscal responsibility is a thing of the past. Dems want UHC and yet refuse to fix the problem at our southern border. UHC would mean spending billions more in healthcare for people that don’t belong here. Don’t know about you but I don’t want my hard earned money being used on others when our own needs aren’t being met. It’s pure economics. Dems have this altruistic attitude but lack a sound fiscal approach, there’s only a certain amount of resources available, one in particular is money, our country is way over its head in debt. We could fix the insulin problem unfortunately both parties are more concerned with party loyalty than fixing the problem.

 

[adrina]

Interesting, this type of argument, in this thread and elsewhere seems to be characterised by a focus on the person, rather than the idea. I could copy and paste examples, though anyone reading through will be well aware already.

Actually what is interesting is your both sidesism approach while completely burying your head in the sand in regards to the obvious and blatant vitriol that is displayed vigorously and often by one side of the spectrum. If you wish to be taken seriously then act in a manner in which you can be. I asked you twice and both times you demurred and deferred to bothsidesism while claiming ignorance. So have at it. Just don't expect to be taken seriously. If you wish to portray yourself a victim, that is your right. You had the opportunity - more than once - to explain yourself. Again you chose not to.

So you can just sit there and feel attacked, and sad. It doesn't much matter. Nor does it address or resolve anything.

 

[ffish1]

Thank you, you have made my point eloquently.

As the poster above alludes: "both parties are more concerned with party loyalty than fixing the problem" - entrenchment is not a route to a solution, but a barrier, indeed a pair of barriers, one each, erected by both sides.

Wasn't 2015-iish the last nail in the coffin, for you guys?

I remember watching The Young Turks at the time, and they were trying to gather signatures for Wolf-Pac ---- a movement which was trying to stop money in political campaigns.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolf-PAC


I'm sorry, but you guys deserve your fate.
The campaign was met with indifference by all the adrinas, butters and ill74's populating social media, and fizzled out

 

[icanhelp1]

Thank you, you have made my point eloquently.

As the poster above alludes: "both parties are more concerned with party loyalty than fixing the problem" - entrenchment is not a route to a solution, but a barrier, indeed a pair of barriers, one each, erected by both sides.

Ideas, challenges to them and the new understandings which arise are at the heart of addressing issues and resolving problems. It is how human knowledge has advanced isn't it, ideas are tested, modified, reformulated and so it goes on ... barriers will frequently arise, ways around or over them will be found, sometimes with more or less difficulty, and the world moves on.

Adriana lacks self awareness. She’s quick to criticize with vitriol anyone who believes in pro life, that a fetus is a human at conception and deserve protection but she’s always mixing in with her argument incest, a deformed fetus, rape and the health of the mother. A great majority of Americans agree that there are arguments to support abortion under those conditions including myself. I’m against abortion morally speaking but I don’t believe you can arbitrarily ban all abortions. There comes a time where choice matters but for Adrina there’s no middle ground, it’s always an assault on a woman’s body never accepting the belief of others, it’s her way or the highway. That intransigence radiates all the way to Congress.

A good example is the overturned R vs W where the courts sent abortion issues back to the states, pure democracy!! Let the people have a say. Adrina and the left in general touted it was a crisis against democracy. Legislators make laws not the courts.

 

[adrina]

Thank you, you have made my point eloquently.

As the poster above alludes: "both parties are more concerned with party loyalty than fixing the problem" - entrenchment is not a route to a solution, but a barrier, indeed a pair of barriers, one each, erected by both sides.

Ideas, challenges to them and the new understandings which arise are at the heart of addressing issues and resolving problems. It is how human knowledge has advanced isn't it, ideas are tested, modified, reformulated and so it goes on ... barriers will frequently arise, ways around or over them will be found, sometimes with more or less difficulty, and the world moves on.

It's very difficult to be perceived as fair-minded when you intentionally have a blind eye. Ironically.

Your words would carry more weight if it weren't for that blind eye.

A bit of a humorous observation: those who are agreeing with you are the ones who spew the most vitriol and invective. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[ll74]

I'm sorry, but you guys deserve your fate.
The campaign was met with indifference by all the adrinas, butters and ill74's populating social media, and fizzled out

Do you have a quota of mentions you have to hit?

 

[butters]

Do you have a quota of mentions you have to hit?

it's that desperation for attention

Typical smug, elitist, nonsense that keeps the Democrats losing over and over to the dumbest fucks that have ever run for political office. Your brand of politics is so weak and ineffective obvious con men like Trump win the highest office in the land. Good job!

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Keep doing what you've been doing and you'll keep getting what you've been getting. BTW how are your abortion rights doing?

let's just look at the past... what, 13 years? President Obama...8 years, trump...4 years, President Biden...1and 3/4's of a year in.

you have some valid points, but by yelling that dems are ONLY talking about trans bathrooms (etc...,) is just not true. That kind of accusation feeds into the maga mantra and is ignorant.

I 100% agree the US should have healthcare for all like other, civilised countries. Hell, it's something i've really noticed coming here from Britain. It feels backwards. It should be pushed for at all levels, but you cannot be so naive that you think it's better to push so hard you lose the vote and therefore any means of swaying change?

I honestly don't think people realise how much better a healthcare system like that is: no-one's worried about the cost of going to their doctor; there's a much higher uptake on regular health checks; no-one goes bankrupt or commits suicide over a hospital bill or are unable to access normal medication to live their daily lives. As soon as it's mentioned over here, certain people start clutching their wallets and screaming 'socialism'. They are NOT educated in the cost, how its spread and constant low payments into the system remove that burden, because it's just NOT COVERED on public tv. It's about everyone paying in who is able to. Brits understand ANYONE can be made unemployed at any time, through sickness or being laid off, but during that temporary state of affairs their health need not suffer because they don't have private insurance or cannot pay the kind of prices even some gov't healthcare systems offer. A healthier population means a healthier workforce.

It's really simple but, yet again, Americans get scare-mongered into believing they're going to have to pay more for other people. The dems have passed massive bills JUST in Biden's term... those standing against cheaper insulin for all who need it are republicans, not democrats. The people blocking the monies for it are republicans. The people trying to block the fight to reduce pharm's obscene profiteering off of the less fortunate are REPUBLICANS. Too many people believe their bullshit because it's being force-fed to them by greedy senators and house representatives with no equally loud, truthful information about the realities.

There's room for the rights of everyone here: to keep reiterating that all the dems do is clutch pearls and whine about poor 'trans/gays/Blacks/Muslims/Mexicans' is indicative of two things... you either need to broaden your information-feeds or that you honestly believe the rights of all people are not equally important.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

You're as insightful as a Trumper who believes the election stolen.

And you’re a piss poor attempt at a split personality...* chuckles*

 

[BluesDriver66]

And you’re a piss poor attempt at a split personality...* chuckles*

Just like a dumbass Trumper. Any idea that's beyond your intellectual capacity to understand an idiotic conspiracy theory is immediately attached to it, free of any evidence or rational thought. Yeah sure. My posts are FAKE NEWS, it's a HOAX, it's PLANTED EVIDENCE, a WITCH HUNT, there's sex trafficking going on in basement of this post!

https://img.izismile.com/img/img13/20200518/gifs/some_people_are_far_from_being_smart_02.gif

 

[Fuzzy1975]

My posts are FAKE NEWS, it's a HOAX, it's PLANTED EVIDENCE, a WITCH HUNT, there's sex trafficking going on in basement of this post!

https://img.izismile.com/img/img13/20200518/gifs/some_people_are_far_from_being_smart_02.gif

*chuckles*....I agree with the words in red.

 

[BluesDriver66]

it's that desperation for attention

let's just look at the past... what, 13 years? President Obama...8 years, trump...4 years, President Biden...1and 3/4's of a year in.

you have some valid points, but by yelling that dems are ONLY talking about trans bathrooms (etc...,) is just not true. That kind of accusation feeds into the maga mantra and is ignorant.

I 100% agree the US should have healthcare for all like other, civilised countries. Hell, it's something i've really noticed coming here from Britain. It feels backwards. It should be pushed for at all levels, but you cannot be so naive that you think it's better to push so hard you lose the vote and therefore any means of swaying change?

I honestly don't think people realise how much better a healthcare system like that is: no-one's worried about the cost of going to their doctor; there's a much higher uptake on regular health checks; no-one goes bankrupt or commits suicide over a hospital bill or are unable to access normal medication to live their daily lives. As soon as it's mentioned over here, certain people start clutching their wallets and screaming 'socialism'. They are NOT educated in the cost, how its spread and constant low payments into the system remove that burden, because it's just NOT COVERED on public tv. It's about everyone paying in who is able to. Brits understand ANYONE can be made unemployed at any time, through sickness or being laid off, but during that temporary state of affairs their health need not suffer because they don't have private insurance or cannot pay the kind of prices even some gov't healthcare systems offer. A healthier population means a healthier workforce.

It's really simple but, yet again, Americans get scare-mongered into believing they're going to have to pay more for other people. The dems have passed massive bills JUST in Biden's term... those standing against cheaper insulin for all who need it are republicans, not democrats. The people blocking the monies for it are republicans. The people trying to block the fight to reduce pharm's obscene profiteering off of the less fortunate are REPUBLICANS. Too many people believe their bullshit because it's being force-fed to them by greedy senators and house representatives with no equally loud, truthful information about the realities.

There's room for the rights of everyone here: to keep reiterating that all the dems do is clutch pearls and whine about poor 'trans/gays/Blacks/Muslims/Mexicans' is indicative of two things... you either need to broaden your information-feeds or that you honestly believe the rights of all people are not equally important.

You seem to be focused on what Democrats claim in campaigns. I'm focused on what they actually do and what the results are. In no other first world nation do 45,000 people die every year due to lack of health care. These stories of kids dying because they have to ration their insulin or seniors committing suicide because they don't want to bankrupt their children with their medical bills is heartbreaking.

My understanding of what the Democrats are doing is just fine. My information feeds are broad and varied. But the reality is the public perception of liberals is this:

https://media.tenor.com/pYpM5Ed9zAwAAAAC/triggered-feminist.gif

and this:

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Not the party that is fighting to get you health care, or the party that wants to raise minimum wage, or clean water. But the party of smug, elitist, know it all whiners more concerned with trans rights than with the every day bread and butter issues most people face. If you are poorly educated, live in some burned out rust belt city or some rural trailer park in the South, with no job or wages where you can't afford rent and food, having some smug elitist lecturing you on proper pronoun usage for trans or declaring you a full blown nazi just doesn't win votes.

 

[BluesDriver66]

*chuckles*....I agree with the words in red.

Everything I post I reference facts published from legitimate mainstream news sources. And while I don't shy away from personal insults of morons, it's always accompanied by the reasons they're idiots. In your case however where conspiracy theories are pulled directly out of your ass with no connection to reality what so ever you'll just have to settle for being labeled an ignorant douche nozzle.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

so ever you'll just have to settle for being labeled an ignorant douche nozzle.

*chuckles* Do you think I care about your opinions? When you are pretending to be different people on a porn board....what a poor excuse for a life.

 

[BluesDriver66]

*chuckles* Do you think I care about your opinions? When you are pretending to be different people on a porn board....what a poor excuse for a life.

Wow! You are seriously stupid. There are a lot of idiots on this board but I don't follow them around making hysterical claims. I discuss the topic of the post. I don't come here to act out paranoid delusions of perceived enemies real or imagined.

 

[BluesDriver66]

Wow! You are seriously stupid. There are a lot of idiots on this board but I don't follow them around making hysterical claims. I discuss the topic of the post. I don't come here to act out paranoid delusions of perceived enemies real or imagined.

Oh and another thing. I know it blows your mind that there are people in this world that actually care about grandmas cutting their pills in half so they have enough money to feed their cat as well or people with a full time job that have to live in their car, but not everyone is a self absorbed moron that thinks any and every opinion they can't understand is a troll designed to confuse or trick them.

Now post another one of your chucklehead comments that doesn't address any of the points I made. I know anything beyond that you're just not capable of.

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