How much do you think the average American cares about America?

[ll74]

They had other priorities? What priorities are higher than protecting basic human rights of child rape victim's access to abortion?

Yes, I get that you don't understand what political pressure is.

Take a civics class.

Either work with the system. Work to change the system. Or STFU.

Hint: not voting is part of the last option there.

 

[adrina]

So basically after having your inconsistencies questioned, you pivot to condescension and personal attacks.

Maybe you're just better off sticking to whining. Unless, ya know, you can address them without lashing out.

Apparently your passion is clouding your perception. As more people have become disgruntled, voter participation has increased. Not decreased. My contention is that while it has increased it still sucks and is at abysmal levels.

If anything all you have shown is that maybe people are finally waking up and fighting back. Still not enough to turn a real tide, however. At least not as has yet been demonstrated.

 

[BluesDriver66]

Yes, I get that you don't understand what political pressure is.

Take a civics class.

Either work with the system. Work to change the system. Or STFU.

Hint: not voting is part of the last option there.

WTF! Taking political pressure is their fucking job.

Civics class? Cute. Grow the fuck up. Washington didn't chop down a cherry tree and Lincoln wasn't born in a log cabin. Your child like understanding of how politics works is just pathetic. Unless the civics class includes lying, cheating, bribery, and underage sex traffiking it ain't worth shit.

The system is rigged. It's corrupt. Corruption by definition is unworkable.

 

[ll74]

WTF! Taking political pressure is their fucking job.

Civics class? Cute. Grow the fuck up. Washington didn't chop down a cherry tree and Lincoln wasn't born in a log cabin. Your child like understanding of how politics works is just pathetic. Unless the civics class includes lying, cheating, bribery, and underage sex traffiking it ain't worth shit.

The system is rigged. It's corrupt. Corruption by definition is unworkable.

Yes, they didn't have political pressure about codifying abortion, dipshit....that was my point.

As for the rest of your drivel, sounds like you're either complaining for change or are working on a plot to over throw the government. Good luck with your expectations.

 

[BluesDriver66]

Apparently your passion is clouding your perception. As more people have become disgruntled, voter participation has increased. Not decreased. My contention is that while it has increased it still sucks and is at abysmal levels.

If anything all you have shown is that maybe people are finally waking up and fighting back. Still not enough to turn a real tide, however. At least not as has yet been demonstrated.

More people than ever are not having their votes counted. That's not a win.

 

[BluesDriver66]

Yes, they didn't have political pressure about codifying abortion, dipshit....that was my point.

As for the rest of your drivel, sounds like you're either complaining for change or are working on a plot to over throw the government. Good luck with your expectations.

More excuses and lies. Democrats have controlled the White House, Senate, and House several times.

Stop with the "plot to over throw the government" straw man bullshit. It's lame and beneath you. I wouldn't come here and claim you are a pro-rape/force birther because you're a clueless pro-Democrat partisan hack. Show some class.

 

[ll74]

More excuses and lies. Democrats have controlled the White House, Senate, and House several times.

Stop with the "plot to over throw the government" straw man bullshit. It's lame and beneath you. I wouldn't come here and claim you are a pro-rape/force birther because you're a clueless pro-Democrat partisan hack. Show some class.

And none of those times has there been any political pressure to codify Roe.

I'm just going off of your responses...you clearly are just whining. You don't vote and you seem to be against rebellion so why the fuck should I even care what you have to say? Shit or get off the pot. Nobody owes you anything and nobody can read your fucking mind.

I participate in just about every facet to work towards change.

 

[lovecraft68]

The average person in today's society cares more about how many likes and followers they have on social media than anything else. Whatever topics they post about isn't out of real outrage or conviction its to say what the rest of the heard said, then check every ten seconds to see how many people are replying or retweeting. Now that Lit has this like thing we see it here as well.

A country full of shallow narcissists who live for mass approval from people they don't know and to troll and hate people they don't know.

Guess the answer is very little about America or anything not in their tiny little world of self

 

[BluesDriver66]

And none of those times has there been any political pressure to codify Roe.

I'm just going off of your responses...you clearly are just whining. You don't vote and you seem to be against rebellion so why the fuck should I even care what you have to say? Shit or get off the pot. Nobody owes you anything and nobody can read your fucking mind.

I participate in just about every facet to work towards change.

You don't know what the fuck you are talking about. I've been voting ever since I turned 18. I never said I don't vote or encouraged others not to vote. But I know why lots of people refrain from voting. Nothing changes. In fact things gets worse.

Losing basic human rights like access to abortion you consider whining? That's kind of fucked up and sounds like any random comment from the right wight nutbags on this forum, but okay I guess. You can align yourself with whoever you want.

 

[ll74]

You don't know what the fuck you are talking about. I've been voting ever since I turned 18. I never said I don't vote or encouraged others not to vote. But I know why lots of people refrain from voting. Nothing changes. In fact things gets worse.

Losing basic human rights like access to abortion you consider whining? That's kind of fucked up and sounds like any random comment from the right wight nutbags on this forum, but okay I guess. You can align yourself with whoever you want.

Yes because this

They understand American politics just fine. That's why they don't vote. They know the system is rigged.

Followed by repetitious "the system is broken" post made me sold on some weird logic that you vote.

Saying that the system is rigged and there's nothing you can do about it is considered whining.

Shit happens we don't like.....that's why we work harder to change it.

 

[BluesDriver66]

Yes because this

Followed by repetitious "the system is broken" post made me sold on some weird logic that you vote.

Saying that the system is rigged and there's nothing you can do about it is considered whining.

Shit happens we don't like.....that's why we work harder to change it.

C'mon. Which is it? I'm a nihlist claiming the system is broke and there's nothing you can do about it or I'm an insurrectionist hell bent on violent revolution? Niether. I'm the kid looking at the king parading down the street bare assed naked and calling that shit out.

 

[Dribble]

The system is broken. Only those without a brain say otherwise.

Do rich people get better health care? Then it is broken.

Do rich people get treated differently in the legal system? Then it is broken.

Do rich people have a greater ability to influence the political system? Then it is broken.

Now let's do it with race...

Do minority races have equal health care access? Then it is broken

Do minority races get treated differently in the legal system? Then it is broken.

Do minority people have an equal ability to influence the political system? Then it is broken.

Equal rights? Equal vote? Any broken system do not have these

 

[adrina]

More people than ever are not having their votes counted. That's not a win.

You don't vote, you don't get to bitch. Frankly. If you want to throw in the towel and just bitch... go ahead. There's a world full of ignore buttons for you.

Vitriol and anger, burn it down blah blah blah. You can't even be bothered to vote. There's zero chance you'll get off your ass for any real kind of revolution.

Irony that.

 

[BluesDriver66]

You don't vote, you don't get to bitch. Frankly. If you want to throw in the towel and just bitch... go ahead. There's a world full of ignore buttons for you.

Vitriol and anger, burn it down blah blah blah. You can't even be bothered to vote. There's zero chance you'll get off your ass for any real kind of revolution.

Irony that.

Do you ever get tired of spouting empty platitudes like if you don't vote you can't criticize a broken and corrupt voting system? That's like saying if you don't take a bite out of that shit sandwich you can't complain about the taste of dog shit.

How has all your voting Democrat worked out for you? Do you have more rights rights or less rights since you started voting for Democrats? Has the quality of candidates holding office increased or decreased since you started voting for Democrats? Do you still live with your parents? Are your adult children still living with you? Has the general quality of life like costs of education, health care, and housing improved? Exactly how has your voting improved your life beyond getting your hopes up before being crushed by the reality of Trump and right wing Supreme Court decisions.

 

[adrina]

Non-voter says what?

 

[BluesDriver66]

Non-voter says what?

Voter with no rights to abortion says what?

 

[adrina]

Voter with no rights to abortion says what?

Talk to Kansas about that. See what showing up to vote did there. That kind of action needs to translate to large scale.

Until you vote, I'm done talking with you. You're just another angry do nothing that finds it easier to spout irrationally than to translate that passion into action. Good luck with your revolution.

 

[JohnEngelman]

Being less than one and three eligible voters show up to vote at local elections, and barely two in three of registered voters show up to vote in the generals, and less than 40% are actively engaged with news in the country.... Just how much do we think Americans really care about America?

Those who do not care about politics usually do not know very much about politics, so I would rather they not vote.

 

[JohnEngelman]

A 12 year old child is brutally raped, by law, must carry and birth the baby of their rapist but the system isn't broken? I'm just fussy and don't understand how things work. Silly me.

I admit there is a problem. The problem should be solved by the voters, and not by the courts.

 

[JohnEngelman]

WTF are you even talking about? Everybody understands the system. It's rigged. Rich people win and the little guy gets fucked. I don't know why you are making this more complicated than it is. I'm sure you have some long winded diatribe about arcane rules of Senate or how to whip Congressional votes but the bottom line is rich people win and the little guy gets fucked. You don't have to be Fellini to figure that out.

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It is almost certainly true that Republicans in Congress tend to be richer than Democrats. The solution is steeply progressive taxation. Polls indicate that most Americans want that, but they seem to find other issues more important.

 

[JohnEngelman]

They had other priorities? What priorities are higher than protecting basic human rights of child rape victim's access to abortion?

The voters determine priorities for themselves. Most voters seem to have different priorities than you.

 

[JohnEngelman]

What has been conflated exactly? The politicians elected and the laws created? You're talking nonsense here. Democrats have let abortion rights die on the vine and you have nothing but endless excuses for failure.

The Roe vs Wade decision benefited the Republicans. It led to the creation of the religious right. This is a social movement of largely lower middle class whites who vote against their economic interests by voting Republican. Many know that they are voting against their economic interests, but since 1973 they have thought ending legal abortion was more important.\

Overturning Roe is likely to benefit the Democrats, but it will take time. Until then many unwanted babies are going to be born.

 

[JohnEngelman]

They understand American politics just fine. That's why they don't vote. They know the system is rigged.

https://www.amacad.org/sites/default/files/media/images/Democratic-Citizenship_1-5b.jpg

If they voted they could unrig the system.

 

[oggbashan]

I vote for every election at whatever level but I know my vote is wasted. Whatever I vote, the Conservative will be elected. Our MP, a Conservative, has 25,000 more votes for him than the total of ALL the other candidates. He gets about 70% of the votes.

That sort of majority is almost impossible to change. So if I vote for any party other than the Conservative? I know my vote is wasted. That is the problem with the first past the post system.

Even if all those who didn't vote chose a single candidate other than the Conservative? He would still win!

 

[BluesDriver66]

Talk to Kansas about that. See what showing up to vote did there. That kind of action needs to translate to large scale.

Until you vote, I'm done talking with you. You're just another angry do nothing that finds it easier to spout irrationally than to translate that passion into action. Good luck with your revolution.

First of all I do vote. I never claimed that I don't. I also don't encourage other people not to vote. What I don't do is smugly attempt to shame people who refuse to wait in long lines like cattle to participate in a rigged system.

Yeah, about Kansas. You do realize that was a ballot measure designed to restrict abortion. A measure that never should have gotten on the ballot in the first place if the Democrats were doing their job. But as always Democrats were asleep at the switch. Just like with marijuana legalization, gay marriage, and minimum wage increases this came through ballot measures directly voted on by the public. Not anything the Democratic party campaigned on, endorsed, or fought for. The voters had to do their job for them as a last resort.

Unfortunately we do not live in a direct democracy. Most voting is not for direct ballot measures that actually affect voters lives. Voter turn out for those type of ballot measures, like marijuana legalization, routinely have high voter turn out. What they don't turn out for is the crap the two major parties offer. Why? Because the system is rigged and they know it.




In their new book, Democracy in America? What Has Gone Wrong and What We Can Do About It (University of Chicago Press, 2017), political scientist and IPR associate Benjamin Page and Martin Gilens of Princeton University present an indictment of today’s politics, pointing specifically to how the American public has little say in policy decisions.

After analyzing approximately 2,000 federal policy decisions over 20 years, Page and Gilens found that affluent Americans, corporations, and organized interest groups have been much more successful than ordinary Americans at getting their preferred policies passed.

“Ordinary citizens have little or no independent influence at all,” Page says.


He notes that when 60–70 percent of Americans have favored a particular policy change, that change has only been implemented about 40 percent of the time.


“The public is often thwarted through inaction,” Page says. “The wealthy and partisan extremists often succeed at stopping proposals that are popular.”

https://www.ipr.northwestern.edu/news/2018/page-democracy-in-america.html


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