How damaged is American intelligence?

[ll74]

You think Trump leaked it to WaPo? Lol. Get serious. There’s no defense of FBI insiders blabbing about top secret material to WaPo reporters and you know it.

Yes, I get that you missed the point.

Trump is the reason we know about the search. And he's the reason it even happened in the first place.

 

[oggbashan]

Is American intelligence an oxymoron like Military Intelligence?

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Yes, I get that you missed the point.

Trump is the reason we know about the search. And he's the reason it even happened in the first place.

I get that you are deflecting from the point. Information about classified national security that is in the possession of the FBI is being leaked.

You know it but don’t want to deal with the inconvenient fact that two things can be true at the same time. Trump mishandled classified information. And so has the FBI.

 

[LukSkyFokker]

Gottdamn, you fucking dumbshit.

45 stole classified docs.

The FBI hasn't "mishandled" anything. You have no clue if or how the chain of custody was broken. Quit fucking deflecting.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Gottdamn, you fucking dumbshit.

45 stole classified docs.

The FBI hasn't "mishandled" anything. You have no clue if or how the chain of custody was broken. Quit fucking deflecting.

Get a clue dumbass. Someone inside the FBI leaked to WaPo.

 

[LukSkyFokker]

Get a clue dumbass. Someone inside the FBI leaked to WaPo.

Proof? Your speculation meter only tilts one direction.

 

[ll74]

I get that you are deflecting from the point. Information about classified national security that is in the possession of the FBI is being leaked.

You know it but don’t want to deal with the inconvenient fact that two things can be true at the same time. Trump mishandled classified information. And so has the FBI.

The point is that 45 took documents containing foreign intelligence/sources and kept them at a golf club and our allies likely will withhold intelligence in the future because of it.

And without any of that shit above, nothing would even be available to leak or not leak to anyone because it would be where it belongs.

That's the OP point that YOU are deflecting from. Feel free to make your own post that focuses on your deflective point

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Get a clue dumbass. Someone inside the FBI leaked to WaPo.

Leaked what? A document, or verbalised about documents found.

Did an FBI agent tell a WaPo report, that the FBI found "Information about classified national security" in items recovered in the search of Mar a lago?

Or did an FBI agent show a WaPo reporter said document.

There is a big difference between the two possibilities. If it is the first, then who gives a shit...happens all the time about everything. People talk all the time. Hell Trump spent years trying to find the leakers in his own administration. Pretty sure every other President of the US back to Washington had the same problem.

If it is the second option, then yes you have every right to bitch, and the FBI should be investigated till the cows come home. But I think the reality is the first option....and I bet you do too. However you can't score any political points with option one.

 

[KeithD]

That's certainly what British intelligence liked to sniffingly think when I was in U.S. intelligence and we were paying the bills and doing the footwork and the Britts were sitting back and pretending they still had an empire and all the right answers.

Is American intelligence an oxymoron like Military Intelligence?

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[KeithD]

The point is that 45 took documents containing foreign intelligence/sources and kept them at a golf club and our allies likely will withhold intelligence in the future because of it.

And without any of that shit above, nothing would even be available to leak or not leak to anyone because it would be where it belongs.

That's the OP point that YOU are deflecting from. Feel free to make your own post that focuses on your deflective point

An overriding point at the moment is where are the documents from the empty file covers? Let the despicable board Trumpettes chomp on that and come back with their next deflection/distraction attempt to cover for an espionage asset of Vladimir Putin.

 

[oggbashan]

That's certainly what British intelligence liked to sniffingly think when I was in U.S. intelligence and we were paying the bills and doing the footwork and the Britts were sitting back and pretending they still had an empire and all the right answers.

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You didn't get the full meaning. British 'intelligence' is Military Intelligence (MI5 etc) so I was criticising both.

 

[KeithD]

You didn't get the full meaning. British 'intelligence' is Military Intelligence (MI5 etc) so I was criticising both.

Without any knowledge of either, I think. But that is the snarky British way, I've found from long residence in British expatriate locales. Bitter loss of empire and all that.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Leaked what? A document, or verbalised about documents found.

Did an FBI agent tell a WaPo report, that the FBI found "Information about classified national security" in items recovered in the search of Mar a lago?

Or did an FBI agent show a WaPo reporter said document.

There is a big difference between the two possibilities. If it is the first, then who gives a shit...happens all the time about everything. People talk all the time. Hell Trump spent years trying to find the leakers in his own administration. Pretty sure every other President of the US back to Washington had the same problem.

If it is the second option, then yes you have every right to bitch, and the FBI should be investigated till the cows come home. But I think the reality is the first option....and I bet you do too. However you can't score any political points with option one.

The FBI has been steadfastly insisting that this investigation is super duper top secret. So secret that nothing could revealed about the search. So secret that they initially objected to releasing the search warrant. So secret that they objected to releasing a heavily redacted affidavit. So secret that they objected to a special master. So secret that any information about what might be contained in the seized documents risked compromising national security, putting the personal safety of law enforcement and intelligence personnel at risk, putting confidential informants at risk, and potentially compromising the entire investigation.

Hate to break it to you, but WaPo didn’t reprint a public statement or court filing issued by Merrick Garland or Christopher Wray. FBI insiders are giving information to reporters and lord knows who else about things the FBI has been strenuously arguing in court absolutely positively cannot be shared with the public. Even worse, internal controls within the bureau are so loose the leaker’s identities apparently can’t be traced.

The thread title asks “How damaged is American intelligence?” The OP posted the WaPo article. The very existence of that story illustrates just how damaged it is. It’s so bad that the DOJ cannot even maintain secrecy about classified intelligence in its possession it’s determined must be sealed and locked down.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

The FBI has been steadfastly insisting that this investigation is super duper top secret. So secret that nothing could revealed about the search. So secret that they initially objected to releasing the search warrant. So secret that they objected to releasing a heavily redacted affidavit. So secret that they objected to a special master. So secret that any information about what might be contained in the seized documents risked compromising national security, putting the personal safety of law enforcement and intelligence personnel at risk, putting confidential informants at risk, and potentially compromising the entire investigation.

Hate to break it to you, but WaPo didn’t reprint a public statement or court filing issued by Merrick Garland or Christopher Wray. FBI insiders are giving information to reporters and lord knows who else about things the FBI has been strenuously arguing in court absolutely positively cannot be shared with the public. Even worse, internal controls within the bureau are so loose the leaker’s identities apparently can’t be traced.

The thread title asks “How damaged is American intelligence?” The OP posted the WaPo article. The very existence of that story illustrates just how damaged it is. It’s so bad that the DOJ cannot even maintain secrecy about classified intelligence in its possession it’s determined must be sealed and locked down.

So option one. Just as I thought.

 

[ll74]

The FBI has been steadfastly insisting that this investigation is super duper top secret. So secret that nothing could revealed about the search. So secret that they initially objected to releasing the search warrant. So secret that they objected to releasing a heavily redacted affidavit. So secret that they objected to a special master. So secret that any information about what might be contained in the seized documents risked compromising national security, putting the personal safety of law enforcement and intelligence personnel at risk, putting confidential informants at risk, and potentially compromising the entire investigation.

Hate to break it to you, but WaPo didn’t reprint a public statement or court filing issued by Merrick Garland or Christopher Wray. FBI insiders are giving information to reporters and lord knows who else about things the FBI has been strenuously arguing in court absolutely positively cannot be shared with the public. Even worse, internal controls within the bureau are so loose the leaker’s identities apparently can’t be traced.

The thread title asks “How damaged is American intelligence?” The OP posted the WaPo article. The very existence of that story illustrates just how damaged it is. It’s so bad that the DOJ cannot even maintain secrecy about classified intelligence in its possession it’s determined must be sealed and locked down.

The problem is that you focus on the FBI for a leak rather than the actual breaking of rules that led to it.

Without the rule breaking, there is no leak.

Not wanting corrupt officials exposed is a bad take.

 

[oggbashan]

Without any knowledge of either, I think. But that is the snarky British way, I've found from long residence in British expatriate locales. Bitter loss of empire and all that.

Wrong. But never mind.

 

[icanhelp1]

You think Trump leaked it to WaPo? Lol. Get serious. There’s no defense of FBI insiders blabbing about top secret material to WaPo reporters and you know it.

I always thought that the DOJ and FBI were not allowed to discuss ongoing investigations. I guess if it implicates Trump, well then, let's make sure he's guilty till proven innocent, guilty in the court of public opinion and while we're at and for the sake of increased sales let's harm relationships with other countries.

 

[icanhelp1]

The FBI has been steadfastly insisting that this investigation is super duper top secret. So secret that nothing could revealed about the search. So secret that they initially objected to releasing the search warrant. So secret that they objected to releasing a heavily redacted affidavit. So secret that they objected to a special master. So secret that any information about what might be contained in the seized documents risked compromising national security, putting the personal safety of law enforcement and intelligence personnel at risk, putting confidential informants at risk, and potentially compromising the entire investigation.

Hate to break it to you, but WaPo didn’t reprint a public statement or court filing issued by Merrick Garland or Christopher Wray. FBI insiders are giving information to reporters and lord knows who else about things the FBI has been strenuously arguing in court absolutely positively cannot be shared with the public. Even worse, internal controls within the bureau are so loose the leaker’s identities apparently can’t be traced.

The thread title asks “How damaged is American intelligence?” The OP posted the WaPo article. The very existence of that story illustrates just how damaged it is. It’s so bad that the DOJ cannot even maintain secrecy about classified intelligence in its possession it’s determined must be sealed and locked down.

If I were a betting man and if nuke docs were confiscated they're probably N Korea's.

 

[phrodeau]

I always thought that the DOJ and FBI were not allowed to discuss ongoing investigations. I guess if it implicates Trump, well then, let's make sure he's guilty till proven innocent, guilty in the court of public opinion and while we're at and for the sake of increased sales let's harm relationships with other countries.

Trump broke the story.

 

[ll74]

The FBI has been steadfastly insisting that this investigation is super duper top secret. So secret that nothing could revealed about the search. So secret that they initially objected to releasing the search warrant. So secret that they objected to releasing a heavily redacted affidavit. So secret that they objected to a special master. So secret that any information about what might be contained in the seized documents risked compromising national security, putting the personal safety of law enforcement and intelligence personnel at risk, putting confidential informants at risk, and potentially compromising the entire investigation.

Hate to break it to you, but WaPo didn’t reprint a public statement or court filing issued by Merrick Garland or Christopher Wray. FBI insiders are giving information to reporters and lord knows who else about things the FBI has been strenuously arguing in court absolutely positively cannot be shared with the public. Even worse, internal controls within the bureau are so loose the leaker’s identities apparently can’t be traced.

The thread title asks “How damaged is American intelligence?” The OP posted the WaPo article. The very existence of that story illustrates just how damaged it is. It’s so bad that the DOJ cannot even maintain secrecy about classified intelligence in its possession it’s determined must be sealed and locked down.

Our allies aren't concerned about leaks like this....they don't contain sources since they are vague.

Papers at Mar La Go possibly had intelligence as well as where the material originated from. THAT is what damages our intelligence community....leaks are easily managed. Nobody gives a shit about North Korea's nuclear information that is already in the public space.....

Our enemies would appreciate knowing which operative gave that information to us. That should be of a higher concern to you.....but you're busy deflecting for the big guy (45) rather than caring about much larger concerns of our country and allies.

 

[butters]

Our allies aren't concerned about leaks like this....they don't contain sources since they are vague.

Papers at Mar La Go possibly had intelligence as well as where the material originated from. THAT is what damages our intelligence community....leaks are easily managed. Nobody gives a shit about North Korea's nuclear information that is already in the public space.....

Our enemies would appreciate knowing which operative gave that information to us. That should be of a higher concern to you.....but you're busy deflecting for the big guy (45) rather than caring about much larger concerns of our country and allies.

i'd imagine this is right... an assertion of a generalised version of the contents without revealing anything isn't the problem... it's not knowing who has seen what and how compromised intelligence sources around the globe are because of trump.

 

[ll74]

i'd imagine this is right... an assertion of a generalised version of the contents without revealing anything isn't the problem... it's not knowing who has seen what and how compromised intelligence sources around the globe are because of trump.

While hearing that intelligence about our foes being released to the public in any way is not the best, the people collecting that information are still free to collect more. Breaking someone's cover eliminates an information channel which sucks for everyone...


But also reduces trust

 

[KeithD]

Wrong. But never mind.

Of course. You're British, living in a country that isn't nearly what it used to be. So am I, but not for as long or as deeply so.

 

[LukSkyFokker]

If I were a betting man and if nuke docs were confiscated they're probably N Korea's.

You're not "betting." You're hoping and praying that they are Lil Kim's cuz you think that makes it OK. Why? Because you're a bootlicking moron.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

The problem is that you focus on the FBI for a leak rather than the actual breaking of rules that led to it.

Without the rule breaking, there is no leak.

Not wanting corrupt officials exposed is a bad take.

The problem is you are so obsessed with Trump‘s bad behavior that you unable to acknowledge bad behavior by the nation’s top law enforcement agency entrusted with top secret national intelligence.