Interest in an Authors’ Challenge?

That's a good point. People could claim songs in the Support thread for the challenge.

We did something similar-ish for the Leinyere challenge. People in the support thread staked out general territories and ideas, then if folks thought there might be a conflict they took it to PMs.

The same song could potentially coexist in multiple stories, depending on what the writers did with it.
 
I've seen novelists list all the copyright permissions that got for song lyrics they quoted. I can't remember how many lines they used. See, for example, Updike's Rabbit At Rest.
That doesn't work here because no-one is paying royalties.
 
I’ve just been down a rabbit hole re: fair use and found a great article that explains it pretty well from both the practical and legal (in the US at least) perspectives. DM me if you want the link.
That doesn't matter - it's how Laurel interprets it for this site. The reality is, she generally won't allow quoting complete lyrics. As I noted above, I managed to get fifty percent of a translated Russian poem over the line, but that was only after several go-arounds (the original poem was in the public domain, the translation was not).

Besides, fair use is more for the purposes of review or education, less so when used in another writer's fiction.

A couple of lines will get by, quoting an extensive song lyric probably won't.
 
That doesn't work here because no-one is paying royalties.
I know, and I can't imagine what EMI Music Publishing (one of the companies that Updike contacted) would think if they were asked for permission from an unpaid writer on an erotic literature site.
 
I know, and I can't imagine what EMI Music Publishing (one of the companies that Updike contacted) would think if they were asked for permission from an unpaid writer on an erotic literature site.
But the site itself does make money through advertising, which is probably why Laurel is a bit twitchy about it.
 
I've seen novelists list all the copyright permissions that got for song lyrics they quoted. I can't remember how many lines they used. See, for example, Updike's Rabbit At Rest.
If they got formal permission, they could use as many lines as they got formal permission to use.
 
I once quoted a song the main character in the story wrote. In other words, I wrote it.

It got rejected twice because there was too much quotation even after explaining to Admin.

Still not sure how I got it through in the end.
I had a story rejected once for extensive use of the poetry. When I noted that I wrote the poetry and pointed to where Literotica had previously published that poetry, the story went through as originally written.
 
I've quoted several lines but I don't want to mention the exact number or where they are. I'm starting to catch some of the paranoia that has been floating around here.
Same and I don't think i've written lyrics into a story since. It makes things a little challenging because music is such a big part of all cultures, and who doesn't belt out the lyrics to songs every now and then? Characters are more real if they're deep in a moshpit, jumping about and belting out the lyrics to the band on stage, or perhaps singing a gentle love song to their lover.

But it provides an opportunity for a little additional creativeness. For my story When We Were Young, it starts with some late teens getting into the back of a Holden panel van, an Australian car, also known as a ‘Sandman’, with a driver who’s been drinking, and they take pills in the dark while music is blaring. The main character, Erin, is reluctant to enter the vehicle, and naturally the blaring song is Metalica’s Enter Sandman. She ends up taking her boyfriend Charlie’s hand, knowing their decisions were dumb, dumb, dumb (in time with Enter Sandman’s drums, at least in my head!) and they pop pills, off with the fairies, heading off to never never land (fairies, tinkerbell, never never land...). Okay, probably way too obscure, where few would pick the references, but it worked for me as I listened to the song over and over while I wrote that scene!

There are others throughout the story, particularly a scene where an older and wiser Erin runs into Charlie years later, and the title song When We Were Young by Adele is playing, and she knows everyone’s been watching him all night, where the light is perfect for her to photograph him, which she does, thinking it’ll be the last time she’ll likely see him, reminding her of when they were young. All attempts at referencing the song lyrics without explicitly writing them. Like I said, it worked for me :)

That's a good point. People could claim songs in the Support thread for the challenge.
Or, you could see how different authors interpret the same song, coming up with different stories? A few years back there was the One Night in XXX challenge, where every story title began with the words One Night in...(city or place of authors choice), resulting in many different stories.
 
Same and I don't think i've written lyrics into a story since. It makes things a little challenging because music is such a big part of all cultures, and who doesn't belt out the lyrics to songs every now and then? Characters are more real if they're deep in a moshpit, jumping about and belting out the lyrics to the band on stage, or perhaps singing a gentle love song to their lover.

But it provides an opportunity for a little additional creativeness. For my story When We Were Young, it starts with some late teens getting into the back of a Holden panel van, an Australian car, also known as a ‘Sandman’, with a driver who’s been drinking, and they take pills in the dark while music is blaring. The main character, Erin, is reluctant to enter the vehicle, and naturally the blaring song is Metalica’s Enter Sandman. She ends up taking her boyfriend Charlie’s hand, knowing their decisions were dumb, dumb, dumb (in time with Enter Sandman’s drums, at least in my head!) and they pop pills, off with the fairies, heading off to never never land (fairies, tinkerbell, never never land...). Okay, probably way too obscure, where few would pick the references, but it worked for me as I listened to the song over and over while I wrote that scene!

There are others throughout the story, particularly a scene where an older and wiser Erin runs into Charlie years later, and the title song When We Were Young by Adele is playing, and she knows everyone’s been watching him all night, where the light is perfect for her to photograph him, which she does, thinking it’ll be the last time she’ll likely see him, reminding her of when they were young. All attempts at referencing the song lyrics without explicitly writing them. Like I said, it worked for me :)


Or, you could see how different authors interpret the same song, coming up with different stories? A few years back there was the One Night in XXX challenge, where every story title began with the words One Night in...(city or place of authors choice), resulting in many different stories.
You've brought up an interesting problem. As an author, you probably want to use references but you'll never be sure if your readers will understand them all. I guess that is inevitable. There are so many variations among age groups, races, ethnicities, nationalities, and so forth that everybody has a different frame of reference. When I tried to read Trainspotting, the dialog is in such a thick Edinburgh - call it patois? - that I couldn't get through more than ten pages. That doesn't mean it was a bad book necessarily.

I do know about Holden cars and "Enter Sandman," but I bet a lot of people don't.
 
But the site itself does make money through advertising, which is probably why Laurel is a bit twitchy about it.
I can't find it off-hand, but there is a Mark Twain quote to the effect that a person's views will be affected by whoever is paying their salary. Anyway, Lit makes money from selling products too. What is the financial deal with the camgirls?
 
I can't find it off-hand, but there is a Mark Twain quote to the effect that a person's views will be affected by whoever is paying their salary. Anyway, Lit makes money from selling products too. What is the financial deal with the camgirls?
This what you’re thinking of?
Upton Sinclair 1878–1968. American novelist and social reformer. It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on his not understanding it.
That’s the one I’m familiar with. Not sure about a Twain one.
 
Good morning, I would like to see an Authors' Challenge having the theme "Striptease Music".
A date could be April 20, 1925 (2023), according to the 1968's movie "The Night They Raided Minsky's" (as the first striptease recorded by reporters in America).
Each song placed in the context of a Story, with characters, motivations, emotions, places (and undressing).
A striptease can be part of any Genre of tales: loving wife, first time, reluctant, exhib, lesbian, gay, incest/taboo, fantasy, group, any genre in any time or place.
In the stories, it would not be necessary to quote all the lyrics of the songs, but just the title (each reader can google the music) and all together, we could collect a selection of "perfect for Striptease" songs (and simultaneously select the "less suitable" ones: such as The Long and Winding Road).
Of course, everyone's tastes are different: from Ravel's Bolero, to Joe Cocker - You Can Leave Your Hat On. (too easy? ok, too easy).
Perhaps, if each Author listed the five/six most suitable songs for striptease, we could get a meaningful compilation in no time.
Of course, both male and female striptease, not forgetting famous movies such as Full Monty and Magic Mike.
I am too poorly versed in English to handle the event but I am convinced that it would be good.
 
Not sure how I missed seeing this thread before, but as EML already knows, I'm starting to think about a music-heavy story. If I can get it written in time for whenever the event is, it'd fit right in.

Over the years I've cooled on letting other people's lyrics do the work in my stories, but I'm tempted to throw out a few first lines as easter eggs for readers who know the songs and know why they're relevant. I already have a place for Iron Maiden and another for Hunters and Collectors in this one...
 
Good morning, I would like to see an Authors' Challenge having the theme "Striptease Music".
A date could be April 20, 1925 (2023), according to the 1968's movie "The Night They Raided Minsky's" (as the first striptease recorded by reporters in America).
Each song placed in the context of a Story, with characters, motivations, emotions, places (and undressing).
A striptease can be part of any Genre of tales: loving wife, first time, reluctant, exhib, lesbian, gay, incest/taboo, fantasy, group, any genre in any time or place.
In the stories, it would not be necessary to quote all the lyrics of the songs, but just the title (each reader can google the music) and all together, we could collect a selection of "perfect for Striptease" songs (and simultaneously select the "less suitable" ones: such as The Long and Winding Road).
Of course, everyone's tastes are different: from Ravel's Bolero, to Joe Cocker - You Can Leave Your Hat On. (too easy? ok, too easy).
Perhaps, if each Author listed the five/six most suitable songs for striptease, we could get a meaningful compilation in no time.
Of course, both male and female striptease, not forgetting famous movies such as Full Monty and Magic Mike.
I am too poorly versed in English to handle the event but I am convinced that it would be good.

I’m looking at something broader than this. Striptease stories would absolutely be welcome, but I also want to leave it open for stories that involve music in other ways as well.
 
Oh please do, I’ve had an idea for a story that would fit perfectly to this challenge for so long and haven’t gotten around to it, would love the motivation of a challenge to force me to write it lol!
 
Good morning, I would like to see an Authors' Challenge having the theme "Striptease Music".
A date could be April 20, 1925 (2023), according to the 1968's movie "The Night They Raided Minsky's" (as the first striptease recorded by reporters in America).
Each song placed in the context of a Story, with characters, motivations, emotions, places (and undressing).
A striptease can be part of any Genre of tales: loving wife, first time, reluctant, exhib, lesbian, gay, incest/taboo, fantasy, group, any genre in any time or place.
In the stories, it would not be necessary to quote all the lyrics of the songs, but just the title (each reader can google the music) and all together, we could collect a selection of "perfect for Striptease" songs (and simultaneously select the "less suitable" ones: such as The Long and Winding Road).
Of course, everyone's tastes are different: from Ravel's Bolero, to Joe Cocker - You Can Leave Your Hat On. (too easy? ok, too easy).
Perhaps, if each Author listed the five/six most suitable songs for striptease, we could get a meaningful compilation in no time.
Of course, both male and female striptease, not forgetting famous movies such as Full Monty and Magic Mike.
I am too poorly versed in English to handle the event but I am convinced that it would be good.

Hey, I wrote a story in which the girls did a lap dance to Oh Come All Ye Faithful, and it won an award, so what the hell.
 
OK, I did the thing.

Challenge info has been submitted to Laurel. Assuming I did it right, we're on for next year. I tried to find a date that wouldn't screw with any recurring challenges that are likely to make another appearance next year, but the calendar is pretty full.
 
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