The Biggest Climate Effort in History

[ll74]

Heads to Biden's desk to be signed

Awesome job to the Democrats and Republicans who made this happen.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/08/12/house-to-vote-on-inflation-reduction-act-tax-and-climate-bill.html

 

[YDB95]

What Republicans?

 

[ll74]

What Republicans?

I'm sure there are some behind the scenes. Not sure who voted for it though.

 

[YDB95]

I'm sure there are some behind the scenes. Not sure who voted for it though.

None in the Senate, that much I know. In the House, four Republicans didn't vote at all, the rest voted no.

 

[ll74]

None in the Senate, that much I know. In the House, four Republicans didn't vote at all, the rest voted no.

Behind the scenes, I'm sure there were some. I know there's support

 

[KeithD]

Keep those Republican votes on this bill dusted off to bring up during the November elections.

 

[butters]

Behind the scenes, I'm sure there were some. I know there's support

does this translate to something along the lines of: they couldn't vote for it in the open as it might risk their election, but once re-elected will have the power to add their actual support to the meat and potatoes of it in their constituencies?

 

[KeithD]

does this translate to something along the lines of: they couldn't vote for it in the open as it might risk their election, but once re-elected will have the power to add their actual support to the meat and potatoes of it in their constituencies?

Yep, you can be sure, as they've done in the past, that Republicans will campaign on Congress passing legislation that they voted against. Republicans have no scruples or morals. They need to be strongly called on it each time they do it.

 

[butters]

Yep, you can be sure, as they've done in the past, that Republicans will campaign on Congress passing legislation that they voted against. Republicans have no scruples or morals. They need to be strongly called on it each time they do it.

i was thinking along the lines of:

they knew it'd pass so, rather than risk losing any power to help in the actualising of this bill's improvements to their state, manage to retain that power and get the work done anyway. good for the country overall, good for their state.

it sucks, and yes they should be called out for it, but i suppose it is how politics play out in America. it's like getting a free ride for them... seen it already here in TN, and Ivey in Al getting all the credits for bridges/road improvements she initiated as soon as she knew the infrastructure bill would pass and she'd get the gov't money from it.

 

[KeithD]

If they vote against it, they are voting on it not happening. They may be working the political angles, but they need to have their noses rubbed in putting politics ahead of serving the American people. If they aren't there to serve the American people they should be voted out of being there.

 

[butters]

If they vote against it, they are voting on it not happening. They may be working the political angles, but they need to have their noses rubbed in putting politics ahead of serving the American people. If they aren't there to serve the American people they should be voted out of being there.

i just wonder if they feel they are serving the American people better this way than, perhaps, if someone even more MAGA got in in their place and worked more obstructively. it goes against my beliefs, for sure, but just trying to understand any thinking that might be there beyond the simplest (likely truest) reason that they're only in it for their own benefit.

just me, wondering aloud.

 

[KeithD]

i just wonder if they feel they are serving the American people better this way than, perhaps, if someone even more MAGA got in in their place and worked more obstructively. it goes against my beliefs, for sure, but just trying to understand any thinking that might be there beyond the simplest (likely truest) reason that they're only in it for their own benefit.

just me, wondering aloud.

They had a hand in Trump getting into office, continuing in office, and being able to do what he's done since leaving office. They haven't served and aren't serving the United States and the American citizens well enough to have their jobs. (Even Cheney has been obstructionist in Congress.)

I support the two-party system and there being a Republican Party. I just think there needs to be an entirely new set of Republicans in the mix. As noted in another thread, it's "interesting" that folks will cling to someone so obviously rotten as Trump because they can't seem to come up with someone to follow who isn't also rotten.

 

[ll74]

Biden set to sign Inflation Reduction Act at 3:30pm EDT

https://www.c-span.org/video/?522368-1/president-biden-signs-inflation-reduction-act

 

[KeithD]

Wonder what the board Trumpettes will be posting today to try to distract from this.

 

[butters]

makes me proud today to live in America

 

[KeithD]

Biden repeatedly made a very important statement in the signing ceremony. Not a single Republican voted for it. Keep this in mind when they start taking credit from its effects coming to their constituency (as they have tried to do with earlier such bills) and call them out in public. Every single time.

 

[butters]

Biden repeatedly made a very important statement in the signing ceremony. Not a single Republican voted for it. Keep this in mind when they start taking credit from its effects coming to their constituency (as they have tried to do with earlier such bills) and call them out in public. Every single time.

hundred percent

the thing that saddens me some is that the insulin caps won't come into effect till next year, the $2,000 prescriptions cap not till 2025, and actual inflation-reduction through it not for maybe 5 years... so there'll still be people not understanding how important this move is. It still baffles me how many don't recognise how much good he's been able to bring to the economy in the form of making the richest pay a minimum of 15% tax, the huge input into infrastructure, into job creation and dangerous emissions reduction, the hugely important move in manufacturing chips in America and so much more. The drum needs beating loud on all this, day in, day out... there's more people who only see the higher prices without understanding their causes (global, for the most part) and so say Biden's handling of the economy is poor. damn.

 

[icanhelp1]

i just wonder if they feel they are serving the American people better this way than, perhaps, if someone even more MAGA got in in their place and worked more obstructively. it goes against my beliefs, for sure, but just trying to understand any thinking that might be there beyond the simplest (likely truest) reason that they're only in it for their own benefit.

just me, wondering aloud.

SPR dwindling, we'll be forced to buy back at the highest price, Saudis doing business with China making money hand over fist, 60 known terrorist apprehended on our border, the most in the last 5 years combined. Subsidizing wealthy chip companies, that's the ticket. Incentive to bring manufacturing back to the states * TAX THE SHIT OUT OF THEM* 87,000 IRS agents only going after the wealthy. An you actually believe all this pie in the sky. LMFAO

 

[ll74]

SPR dwindling, we'll be forced to buy back at the highest price, Saudis doing business with China making money hand over fist, 60 known terrorist apprehended on our border, the most in the last 5 years combined. Subsidizing wealthy chip companies, that's the ticket. Incentive to bring manufacturing back to the states * TAX THE SHIT OUT OF THEM* 87,000 IRS agents only going after the wealthy. An you actually believe all this pie in the sky. LMFAO

BDS looks good on ya. #grievancePorn

 

[icanhelp1]

BDS looks good on ya. #grievancePorn

This is Pelosi's and the Chucksters boondoggle, Biden will sign anything they put in front of him, he don't know any better. There is nothing in this bill that's going to change how many p/p/m CO2 molecules are in our atmosphere, just taking from Peter to pay Paul. Countries are buying up more fossil fuels than ever. Where are these solar panels and windmills coming from. It's all pie in the sky. We produce the cleanest LNG on the planet which reduces CO2 emissions, China, India and Germany opening coal fire plants. WTF?

 

[butters]

This is Pelosi's and the Chucksters boondoggle, Biden will sign anything they put in front of him, he don't know any better. There is nothing in this bill that's going to change how many p/p/m CO2 molecules are in our atmosphere, just taking from Peter to pay Paul. Countries are buying up more fossil fuels than ever. Where are these solar panels and windmills coming from. It's all pie in the sky. We produce the cleanest LNG on the planet which reduces CO2 emissions, China, India and Germany opening coal fire plants. WTF?

wrong

at the moment, we're on track to reduce harmful emissions by 25-30% below 2005 levels by 2030... this latest move increases that to 40%, which is still 10% below President Biden's aim but you can blame obstructive politics for that. He is COMPLETELY behind this act, it being a driving force behind his actions as President over and over.

The pillar of the legislation is $375 billion over 10 years to promote consumers and industry to shift from carbon-emitting to cleaner forms of energy. Loans and tax credits will also help bolster technology such as solar panels and consumer efforts to improve home energy efficiency.

The main climate change provisions include large investments in clean energy. This includes $369 billion for electric vehicles and clean energy tax breaks. This will help establish clean energy as a cost-effective option for many Americans. The tax credits are designed to pivot the industry and consumers to renewable energy systems, such as heat pumps, electric appliances and other technologies such as dynamic glass (the Dynamic Glass Act specifies that the use of electrochromic glass qualifies for the tax credit for investment in energy property).

The legislation also provides $330 million in grants to states and local governments to adopt the latest energy codes that meet or exceed the 2021 International Energy Conservation Code (IECC) and/or ASHRAE 90.1-2019. Additionally, it provides $670 million for states and localities to adopt and implement zero-energy stretch codes.

More than $250 million will be provided for General Services Administration (GSA) facility retrofits and $2.15 billion for the Federal Buildings Fund. This money will be used by the GSA to acquire and install low-embodied carbon materials and products for use in the construction or alteration of buildings. The legislation also includes $975 million for GSA to invest in emerging and sustainable technologies.

Additionally, more than $7 billion in competitive grants will be distributed to enable low-income and disadvantaged communities to deploy and benefit from zero-emission technologies. This includes distributing technologies on rooftops and carrying out other greenhouse gas emission reduction activities.

The Inflation Reduction Act should help the U.S. reduce emissions by about 40% below 2005 levels by 2030, according to officials. This comes after President Biden set a goal of reducing greenhouse gas emissions in the country by at least 50% by the decade’s end.

https://www.usglassmag.com/2022/08/...le-energy-looks-to-drastically-cut-emissions/

 

[ll74]

This is Pelosi's and the Chucksters boondoggle, Biden will sign anything they put in front of him, he don't know any better. There is nothing in this bill that's going to change how many p/p/m CO2 molecules are in our atmosphere, just taking from Peter to pay Paul. Countries are buying up more fossil fuels than ever. Where are these solar panels and windmills coming from. It's all pie in the sky. We produce the cleanest LNG on the planet which reduces CO2 emissions, China, India and Germany opening coal fire plants. WTF?

More #grievancePorn

Cry more

 

[IrezumiKiss]

This is Pelosi's and the Chucksters boondoggle, Biden will sign anything they put in front of him, he don't know any better. There is nothing in this bill that's going to change how many p/p/m CO2 molecules are in our atmosphere, just taking from Peter to pay Paul. Countries are buying up more fossil fuels than ever. Where are these solar panels and windmills coming from. It's all pie in the sky. We produce the cleanest LNG on the planet which reduces CO2 emissions, China, India and Germany opening coal fire plants. WTF?

https://c.tenor.com/_SH_70ABlw8AAAAd/cry-baby-rita-repulsa.gif

 

[jaF0]

I'm not sure this will really accomplish anything significant that won't hurt us in the wallet someday.

I sure as hell ain't buyin' no buzzmobile or even one of those that shuts itself off at traffic lights.

 

[ll74]

wrong

at the moment, we're on track to reduce harmful emissions by 25-30% below 2005 levels by 2030... this latest move increases that to 40%, which is still 10% below President Biden's aim but you can blame obstructive politics for that. He is COMPLETELY behind this act, it being a driving force behind his actions as President over and over.












https://www.usglassmag.com/2022/08/...le-energy-looks-to-drastically-cut-emissions/

For people who want to reduce their emissions, there are a ton of subsidies to be able to do so.