Are women really as cold-blooded IRL as represented in Loving Wives?

[gunhilltrain]

I don't have a problem with the 21st century label cis male, but will point out that for three-quarters of my life I just thought I was a hetero male. It's only been the last fifteen years or so that I discovered there was another badge I could wear (except I don't wear badges, and I don't think anyone really needs to).

electricblue66: read my most recent post. Note that in the over four years here, I have never brought up the disability issue, including the more recent condition which started over two years ago after I . I just never thought it was relevant to any discussion we were having on it.

Now you are bringing sexuality into the mix. So okay, I've had some gay fantasies going back to adolescence, but I never acted on them. (Not sure why, I just didn't want to maybe.) In fact, I do have a gay story on here that was partially inspired by some earlier fantasies. There is no point in dividing it into percentages (90-10?) because that is adding a pseudo-scientific gloss to something that can't be quantified.

You are correct in that nobody really needs to wear a "badge." But many people do anyway, or even several of them. At this point in my life, I believe they can identify with whatever they chose.

 

[gunhilltrain]

Why? Falling down is easy!

It sure is when going down three flights at the Gun Hill Road station (actually five, including the platforms). There was one day when both elevators (one on each side) and the down escalator were not working. Gotta love the MTA (a state agency by the way, although the city technically owns the lines within the city limits).

 

[ElectricBlue]

electricblue66: read my most recent post. Note that in the over four years here, I have never brought up the disability issue, including the more recent condition which started over two years ago after I . I just never thought it was relevant to any discussion we were having on it.

Now you are bringing sexuality into the mix. So okay, I've had some gay fantasies going back to adolescence, but I never acted on them. (Not sure why, I just didn't want to maybe.) In fact, I do have a gay story on here that was partially inspired by some earlier fantasies. There is no point in dividing it into percentages (90-10?) because that is adding a pseudo-scientific gloss to something that can't be quantified.

You are correct in that nobody really needs to wear a "badge." But many people do anyway, or even several of them. At this point in my life, I believe they can identify with whatever they chose.

Gunhill, what are you on about? All I was doing was commenting on the 21st century introduction of the term cis-male, and all of a sudden you think I'm talking about your sexuality? You got some wires crossed there, I think, because I might have quoted an extract from your post, but in no way was I commenting about you.

My last post was meant to be light-hearted, but I guess, not funny. Sorry about that one, but I'm just confused about your other response.

 

[gunhilltrain]

The issue with badges is that, in the world we live in, there’s a spectrum on which people sit, where some have more choice than others about whether they are going to wear a badge. It’s nice to think that nobody should have to wear a badge, but until the playing field is level, it’s something we should all try to navigate consciously.

An admirable idea, but after 10,000 years of human history, I don't expect that there will ever be a true level playing field. People will always have some issue, if only politics or the control of territory, over which they will kill each other. Maybe I'm too cynical, but perhaps the idea of "progress" itself (except for technological changes) is mostly an illusion. At best, we mostly go sideways, not up.

Even technological progress can be an illusion - more can be lost than gained.

 

[lovecraft68]

BTB and RAAC obsessives display a level of hatred towards women that’s truly horrifying.

OP asked what proportion of women are like the characters in these stories. But if we’re talking about statistics in relation to much of what you’ll find in the LW category, to me, the most important one is that women everywhere in the world are more likely to be assaulted or killed by their romantic partner than anyone else, by a significant margin. Reading those stories, and the comments, it’s easy to understand why.

Note that we get a lot of threads like this, but there never seems to be any condemning men.
Keeping this lit related...why no threads based on the NC section "are men in real life this abusive and rapey?"
The answer is because men don't care what happens to women or how other men behave, or want to here the truth about it. Meanwhile women don't really start the threads because being stronger and far less whiny they bother bringing it up

That and the "law" in this country has conditioned women to feel its better to keep an assault to yourself because coming forward brands you as a whore who deserved it. So when having to deal with that in reality why bother over fictional stories?

But men do because these days they're nothing but whiny pussies who's fathers, if they have one, would probably slap them.

 

[lovecraft68]

If you're a cis man, do not use gendered slurs like "slut". Of course, no one should be using slurs like that in this context, but it adds another element of evil when coming from a cis man.

I know I'll get taken the wrong way for this, you know, being an evil straight male and all, but the tone of your post is no better than the OP's. You're using 'cis male' in a derogatory and generalizing manner, and coming across as self righteous and better than. You have a right to say something, but other people don't? Wrong is wrong no matter who it comes from and its no less or more wrong.

I find it annoying that there's all this outrage over people not understanding transgender or genderism etc....but I have never once seen here, or on other places in the net, someone willing to patiently explain it to someone who doesn't understand and asks, instead what those people get in response is anger and hatred and screeching as if they should all 'know' and you're an ist for asking.

There's a you tuber who is an older man, I'd say sixties and conservative, but he made a video where he asked people to explain it to him because he's from another generation and this is new to him and he's not sure he 'gets it' every response, in person and online was abusive and nasty.

Good example here. No one destroys a cause or way of life than the ones who's idea of crusading for it is to be an intolerant twit.

I've been around here a long time, I guess I'm a cis male-by the way, funny how progressive people hate labels, but have created hundreds of them and force people into them. But I'm first and foremost a person with his own thoughts ideals and opinions and I can tell you I am nothing like the type of moron that inhabits the category being discussed here and there's plenty of people here who could attest to that.

I'll close with this. I am always honest, sometimes to the point of blunt and painful. I do not understand genderism. However, I understand that I don't have to understand to understand. I don't understand nuclear physics, but its a real thing, so I have no issue with anyone or who they are or want to be. I'm a hedonist, feel free to feel free...as long as you're not hurting others or yourself otherwise my only sticking point is...

But don't preachy or act better than.

 

[gunhilltrain]

Gunhill, what are you on about? All I was doing was commenting on the 21st century introduction of the term cis-male, and all of a sudden you think I'm talking about your sexuality? You got some wires crossed there, I think, because I might have quoted an extract from your post, but in no way was I commenting about you.

My last post was meant to be light-hearted, but I guess, not funny. Sorry about that one, but I'm just confused about your other response.

Everybody here is supposedly being tongue-in-cheek and light-hearted, but we're all talking past each other. There seems to be some contradictions here between believing that badges are indeed important and believing that they are not. Frankly, I can't figure out what each individual is really saying here.

I knew you weren't talking about me personally. I was trying to agree with you I think, but I didn't do a good job of it. Not that I was making up any of that.

I've seen this before in various online discussions. Attempts at humor don't work well in text and can be misconstrued. I've seen it even among people who have known each other for years in real life. I swear, I recently saw this happen with some guy who was emailing about rail lines in New Jersey, of all things.

P.S.: Maybe his whole thread should be moved to the General or Politics board. Not that I read anything there.

 

[lovecraft68]

Everybody here is supposedly being tongue-in-cheek and light-hearted, but we're all talking past each other. There seems to be some contradictions here between believing that badges are indeed important and believing that they are not. Frankly, I can't figure out what each individual is really saying here.

I knew you weren't talking about me personally. I was trying to agree with you I think, but I didn't do a good job of it. Not that I was making up any of that.

I've seen this before in various online discussions. Attempts at humor don't work well in text and can be misconstrued. I've seen it even among people who have known each other for years in real life. I swear, I recently saw this happen with some guy who was emailing about rail lines in New Jersey, of all things.

P.S.: Maybe his whole thread should be moved to the General or Politics board. Not that I read anything there.

There is no humor anymore. The initial "PC" movement. like most things was a necessary thing and did call attention to the fact that unlike what we thought in the 70's and 80's maybe not everything should be joked about.

But the progressive movement(which is regressive in everyway if you analyze it) as made it so nothing is funny.

Some NYT columnist tweeted that people who cant Let's Go Brandon' think Olive Garden is an elite restaurant. It was a joke, no harm or foul to someone like me who has an actual skin, but this moron then has to tweet an apology, but in it goes on about his privilege and entitlement and that's why he said that and....honestly his 'apology' was the real insult as while saying he's sorry he brags about his life, but main point is why did he have to.

People being to laugh at themselves is a good thing. Comedians always made fun of things. now they can barely say anything.

I pose this question...what generation had more hate division and lunacy. The one prior ones where people joked and busted balls, or this one? Its pretty much a rhetorical question. Lighten up Buttercup as my daughter always says.

 

[Limnophile]

I would think twice before posting anything to the 'Loving Wives' category. It seems there are 10 or 12 core writers in that category, and everyone else gets low scores and ugly comments. A story I posted there had eight votes of '1', ONE MINUTE after it was published! Nobody could even READ it that fast! In the next few weeks the score slowly climbed to 4.3 so it obviously wasn't too bad. If you have a choice, put your stories in any other category.

 

[SimonDoom]

I would think twice before posting anything to the 'Loving Wives' category. It seems there are 10 or 12 core writers in that category, and everyone else gets low scores and ugly comments. A story I posted there had eight votes of '1', ONE MINUTE after it was published! Nobody could even READ it that fast! In the next few weeks the score slowly climbed to 4.3 so it obviously wasn't too bad. If you have a choice, put your stories in any other category.

Unless:

1) You are a masochist, or

2) You favor high views and favorites and plentiful comments over high scores.

I'm more a contrarian than a masochist, but I'm seriously thinking, just for kicks, about taking a stab at writing the most trope-ridden "happy cuck" story possible, posting it to Loving Wives, and watching things blow up. I imagine it being kind of like the ending of Fight Club.

 

[Lifestyle66]

There is no humor anymore. The initial "PC" movement. like most things was a necessary thing and did call attention to the fact that unlike what we thought in the 70's and 80's maybe not everything should be joked about.

But the progressive movement(which is regressive in everyway if you analyze it) as made it so nothing is funny.

Some NYT columnist tweeted that people who cant Let's Go Brandon' think Olive Garden is an elite restaurant. It was a joke, no harm or foul to someone like me who has an actual skin, but this moron then has to tweet an apology, but in it goes on about his privilege and entitlement and that's why he said that and....honestly his 'apology' was the real insult as while saying he's sorry he brags about his life, but main point is why did he have to.

People being to laugh at themselves is a good thing. Comedians always made fun of things. now they can barely say anything.

I pose this question...what generation had more hate division and lunacy. The one prior ones where people joked and busted balls, or this one? Its pretty much a rhetorical question. Lighten up Buttercup as my daughter always says.

I should take offense at your attempt to be unfairly harsh on us "youth-challenged" old folk by accusing us of making jokes about everything. In defense of us old folk, we just found everything in real life to be funny and couldn't help but laugh at it. Now, they accuse us of just being senile.

(This is intended to be sarcasm, and I truly apologize to both the not-youth-challenged and to any youth-challenged who might feel threatened by anything I said or for which they might think I said or believe I might have implied.)

 

[Lifestyle66]

...I'm seriously thinking, just for kicks, about taking a stab at writing the most trope-ridden "happy cuck" story possible, posting it to Loving Wives, and watching things blow up. I imagine it being kind of like the ending of Fight Club.

YES! Do it.

I've come to realize even the trolls need their entertainment. And if they get off on 1-bombing, then it's our duty to give them that which causes them to ejaculate.

 

[Limnophile]

Unless:

1) You are a masochist, or

2) You favor high views and favorites and plentiful comments over high scores.

I'm more a contrarian than a masochist, but I'm seriously thinking, just for kicks, about taking a stab at writing the most trope-ridden "happy cuck" story possible, posting it to Loving Wives, and watching things blow up. I imagine it being kind of like the ending of Fight Club.

They tend to hate original ideas too. Copy-paste 'Romeo and Juliet', change a couple of words, and I bet you'll get at least a 4.5

 

[lovecraft68]

I should take offense at your attempt to be unfairly harsh on us "youth-challenged" old folk by accusing us of making jokes about everything. In defense of us old folk, we just found everything in real life to be funny and couldn't help but laugh at it. Now, they accuse us of just being senile.

(This is intended to be sarcasm, and I truly apologize to both the not-youth-challenged and to any youth-challenged who might feel threatened by anything I said or for which they might think I said or believe I might have implied.)

I'm not sure how old you think I am. Born in 68 the 80's were when I came of age I guess. We made fun of everyone about everything. Thing was with the exception of bullies-and they exist even worse now because the net protects them-we never meant any harm and it was all in good fun, most important we'd sling it, but could take it too and tell people "good one' even at our own expense.

There's a show Cobara Kai which features a character stuck in that era as in he just says what he wants, and many fans love it, but you have people crying about how insensitive we he is and reeee.

In the 80's the wall came down, Soviet Union dissolved, we had Live Aid and We are the world, we were mostly a unified people.

Today we have riots, shootings, lying news media, and the internet is a source of unending hate and bullying.

Yup, they have made things so much better with all their 'feelings'

 

[Lifestyle66]

I'm not sure how old you think I am. Born in 68 the 80's were when I came of age I guess. We made fun of everyone about everything.

Watch reruns of the old TV series "Laugh In". I laughed at those in real time, you youth-challenged old folk wannabee. (sarc)

 

[ElectricBlue]

I'm more a contrarian than a masochist, but I'm seriously thinking, just for kicks, about taking a stab at writing the most trope-ridden "happy cuck" story possible, posting it to Loving Wives, and watching things blow up. I imagine it being kind of like the ending of Fight Club.

I think Chloe did that at one point, and I have a vague idea that her story file gets regularly pounded for it, even now, with each new story she releases - I might be wrong on that.

I don't understand those who deliberately bait trolls. Doesn't that make you as bad (or worse) than they are? It's the same as my dog turds on the front lawn philosophy, but becomes the entire neighbourhood. Deny the pricks oxygen, don't feed them.

 

[SimonDoom]

I think Chloe did that at one point, and I have a vague idea that her story file gets regularly pounded for it, even now, with each new story she releases - I might be wrong on that.

I don't understand those who deliberately bait trolls. Doesn't that make you as bad (or worse) than they are? It's the same as my dog turds on the front lawn philosophy, but becomes the entire neighbourhood. Deny the pricks oxygen, don't feed them.

To be fair, if I wrote such a story, I would write it to appeal to the opposite crowd--those who like cuck stories. It probably would be somewhat over the top, so it might not appeal to all, but I would try to write it in a way that it was genuinely appealing to those who have that fetish. It's not a fetish that does anything for me but in my various social media travels I've encountered an awful lot of men who are into humiliation, and it fascinates me. I think it's as legitimate a fetish as any.

I've written some cuckold/hotwife stories in the past, including one that I posted to Loving Wives very early in my experience here, and I haven't observed that doing so has provoked trolls to downgrade my other stories in any meaningful way. I may get some punitive 1-bombs here and there but the impact hasn't been significant enough to have any effect on what I'm doing.

 

[ElectricBlue]

To be fair, if I wrote such a story, I would write it to appeal to the opposite crowd--those who like cuck stories. It probably would be somewhat over the top, so it might not appeal to all, but I would try to write it in a way that it was genuinely appealing to those who have that fetish. It's not a fetish that does anything for me but in my various social media travels I've encountered an awful lot of men who are into humiliation, and it fascinates me. I think it's as legitimate a fetish as any.

I've written some cuckold/hotwife stories in the past, including one that I posted to Loving Wives very early in my experience here, and I haven't observed that doing so has provoked trolls to downgrade my other stories in any meaningful way. I may get some punitive 1-bombs here and there but the impact hasn't been significant enough to have any effect on what I'm doing.

But you did say trope ridden and watching things blow up, which is troll baiting, but now you're backing off on the notion?

I agree, it can be a legitimate fetish - I'd more say kink - but I can't see the point of writing erotica that did nothing for me, personally. That seems to me, a waste of time. There's plenty other ways I can do that!

 

[Lifestyle66]

I don't understand those who deliberately bait trolls. Doesn't that make you as bad (or worse) than they are? It's the same as my dog turds on the front lawn philosophy, but becomes the entire neighbourhood. Deny the pricks oxygen, don't feed them.

To do as you advise, we would have to NOT write the stories we want to write.

Whether you post it to LW or some other category, if you're not tagging it honestly, then you're hiding in fear of a 1-bombing finding it. (They've found mine in other categories such as EC.)

I take a different attitude toward them, recognizing that when they 1-bomb me, I've struck an emotional nerve! And isn't that one of the marks of a good story, to get an emotional reaction? I'm just no longer obsessed with trying for the coveted Red-H.

 

[SimonDoom]

But you did say trope ridden and watching things blow up, which is troll baiting, but now you're backing off on the notion?

I agree, it can be a legitimate fetish - I'd more say kink - but I can't see the point of writing erotica that did nothing for me, personally. That seems to me, a waste of time. There's plenty other ways I can do that!

I'd put it this way. I write stories because they appeal to me, first of all. I don't write any story principally to bait people. But if I do write this story it will be with my eyes wide open and some curiosity to see the adverse reaction it gets.

I also believe, and have always believed, that there's a legitimate artistic purpose in creating art that shocks and offends people's sensibilities. It's why I liked Swift's essay A Modest Proposal, and enjoyed punk rock in the 80s and why I like South Park and It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia, and I enjoy the comedy of Anthony Jeselnik.

 

[amenarimix]

First, I object, as a woman, to your use of the word slut in that context, when you accuse them of behaving like men.
Second, 99% of what I've read in Loving wives is male fantasy. Or indulging male fantasy. It's not reportage, it's fiction.

Exactly

 

[gunhilltrain]

Gunhill, what are you on about? All I was doing was commenting on the 21st century introduction of the term cis-male, and all of a sudden you think I'm talking about your sexuality? You got some wires crossed there, I think, because I might have quoted an extract from your post, but in no way was I commenting about you.

My last post was meant to be light-hearted, but I guess, not funny. Sorry about that one, but I'm just confused about your other response.

I thought you might find the story about my namesake station, with the elevators and escalators, to be somewhat amusing. (It's true too.) Instead, I immediately got into bisexuality after that, which was probably a mistake.

Just be glad I didn't give the full story of why the station is so high. I'd have to go back to the 1870s to fully explain it. But I don't want to bore the s____ of everybody on here.

 

[ElectricBlue]

To do as you advise, we would have to NOT write the stories we want to write.

You've misunderstood me. Simon made a comment (which he's since wound back on with a little push for artistic freedom and art that shocks, which is a piece of back peddling that deserves a five for chutzpah and a top hat, but really, when you're on a unicycle, doesn t get you far) about deliberately winding LW readers up. There are other writers here who seem to pride themselves on doing the same, to deliberately provoke, to push for that negative response.

That's stirring the possum, in my book, if it's not your category of choice for reading, and you don't usually write stories there. They're getting their jollies from the baited response, not so much the content itself. That's throwing fuel on a fire, shooting fish in a barrel. There's not much artistic integrity in that, not when it's that easy. Simon knows that, I reckon, but momentarily tripped over his own clown shoes. He was contemplating writing a circus act, for laughs, but he's better than that.

Whereas you have chosen the category as your playing field, and you're writing the stories you want, and that's fine, but that's not deliberate provocation. That's writing content that gets you off, that's erotic for you (one assumes), and the negativity is an annoyance. You're seeking the positive response from your readers, and you put up with the hostility which is unique to that category (and I'm guessing you went there open eyed). That's not trolling as I see it, that's just a bunch of clowns over there with a sad, sorry act that we've all seen before.

As I say, if it's your thing, do it. But if it's not your thing, why would you bother? That's the bit I don't get - writing erotica that does nothing for you? That's just odd, to me.

 

[lovecraft68]

I wonder if we keep seeing threads where the out of control hatefest of LW is discussed, especially the incel portion of it, if the site might eventually think on doing something to clean it up to make the category one that people who want to write real stories would want to post in.

Yeah....I'll see myself out.

 

[Andrew1968]

I write a lot of cuckold/hot-wife themed stories. I have been writing and publishing them here for years and will never stop writing them. I love writing them.

I realize the cuckold/hot-wife themed stories I write aren’t for everyone. They really are intended for a relatively small audience. If you don’t like them then you are perfectly entitled to your view, but those who enjoy the stories are entitled to their view and entitled to enjoy them as well.

Are the females I write about in my cuckold/hot-wife stories “cold blooded?” Damn right they are, though the wording “cold blooded” seems to carry negative connotations. I love trying to write such female characters. Those types of characters are a part of “my fantasy” and I hope the fantasy of the relatively small audience I attract. Those female characters tend to be clear sighted, know what they want, are will-full, and intelligently orchestrate circumstances and arrange people to get what they want and what they deserve. They are game playing mistresses who conjure their own reality into existence with their “magic.”

Most of the husbands in my stories are enthralled by their wives. They are the wide eyed gasping “victims” of their game playing/risk taking/I’ll see just how far I can push it ladies. They realize their wives are at the center of the universe and hence all of their wives whims and desires must be catered for, including and most particularly/importantly their wives whims and desires around sexual satisfaction.

Everything I have just written above is a part of “my fantasy” which may be the fantasy of the relatively small audience who likes to read what I write. Again others don’t have to like it, but I have no intention of stopping my writing of these types of stories – ever...