How could you be so very wrong about your own story?

[Emilymcplugger]

At this point, I'm used to readers commenting or PM'ing me to tell me how I fucked up and wrote something that my characters never would have done. Either she acted too slutty, or they made a decision that in the reader's estimate they never would have made, blah, blah...

I find it rather amusing that most of the rebukes concern bodily autonomy of the female characters and how worthless they are as people if they've slept with anyone other than the reader's chosen male/proxy for themselves, even if it was before they met said proxy.

The term 'out of character' gets thrown around, 'they never would have', 'such a horrible slut', yadda yadda. It happens regularly. The lesson seems to be that empowered and independent women are sluts.

"I'd never sleep with Alexa, she's a slut!"

Well, don't worry, cubby, I can guarantee she'd never sleep with you anyway. I'm the author, so I know this for a fact.

But yesterday, I got a scathing PM from a reader who had apparently rewritten my Alexaverse stories, correcting the behaviour of my errant characters, and infinitely improving it. They have half a mind (no argument there) to publish their rewrite for everyone to enjoy, show everyone how it OUGHT to have been done.

Time out...

This ninnyhammer tells me he has completely rewritten my Alexaverse stories. That's seventeen chapters of Alex & Alexa, twenty-three chapters of Mike & Karen, and four chapters of Freja & Jeanie. That's hundreds of thousands of words.

And apparently he only started reading them six months ago.

Does that strike anyone else as a wee bit obsessive? Should I be flattered that my story meant so much to him that he needed to tear it apart and make it his own, because he understands my universe better than I do?

If the Alexaverse ever gets turned into porn, this dude is NOT writing the screenplay. Alexa will be a virtuous nun until she meets Alex, I've no doubt.

So my crazed, obsessive fans who hate my work aside, how about the rest of you? How many of your readers have had to set you straight on your own world and show you how it's done? Show you where you fucked up, because you don't understand the universe as well as they do?

And aren't you so very grateful afterwards?

The Incel is strong with this one...

- BH

You should be flattered the characters meant that much. The truth is this is exactly how my first story came about.

I felt very heavily invested in the two main characters, more than I had with any other story I’d read. That’s how I couldn’t stop thinking about a sequel that respected the author and their choices but added more stuff to it but also respecting where they’d placed the characters at the end of the story.

As yours is on an ongoing saga that’s a bit rude, but in my case it worked out for everyone.

They can’t change bits though, that’s not on.

If they didn’t get out of the howdy-doody car then they didn’t get out.

 

[TarnishedPenny]

There is a lovely quote attributed to the French writer, Antoine Rivarol: Il n'y a aucun plaisir plus subtile que s'appelé un idiot par un imbécile. Translation: There is no more subtle pleasure than being called an idiot by an imbecile.

​

 

[gunhilltrain]

I'm going to throw some extra caution on this one.

I wrote a silent character, who used sex as a bit of a coping mechanism, before she falls in love, and yadiyadiya. Whatever.

The death threats on that one came in quick and fast - and here's the caution bit. One of my more obsessed readers who was utterly incensed that a woman might like sex did track me down IRL. I now have a lovely restraining order, and a bill for a broken window.

Don't poke the bear.

That's a very bizarre incident. First of all, how many stories on here have a female character who likes sex? Many, many of them. And yet you seem to have gotten more than one obsessed reader. (Unless it was perhaps the same one with different accounts?) Also, if you feel comfortable answering this, approximately how far did that person have to travel to find your house?

As we saw in Buffalo a couple of days ago, there are a lot of deranged people out there. Actually, forget Buffalo; consider Ukraine. George Carlin: "Human beings are capable of anything."

 

[shakna]

That's a very bizarre incident. First of all, how many stories on here have a female character who likes sex? Many, many of them. And yet you seem to have gotten more than one obsessed reader. (Unless it was perhaps the same one with different accounts?) Also, if you feel comfortable answering this, approximately how far did that person have to travel to find your house?

As we saw in Buffalo a couple of days ago, there are a lot of deranged people out there. Actually, forget Buffalo; consider Ukraine. George Carlin: "Human beings are capable of anything."

Thankfully, so far as I know, I've only picked up two obsessive readers. The boring one is somewhere in Texas, so that's never really been a concern. The dangerous one, on the other hand, recognised a few of the more local landmarks in the story they disliked, because they only lived a couple hours away. The restraining order dealt with it - they were just an angry kid, basically.

And I did tease the troll, which was apparently enough to push them over the edge.

Not an experience anyone should risk.

But on less gross things - I've found that a lot of readers seriously dislike female characters who have a sexual history when it comes to "little sister" tropes. They really prefer that the innocence be preserved, at least until it gets violated by the deuteragonist. Not that I've listened much to those vocal readers. If you're looking for wide-eyed and submissive, then you'll find it tough to find an Aussie woman to match that description, and they're what I write .

 

[gunhilltrain]

Thankfully, so far as I know, I've only picked up two obsessive readers. The boring one is somewhere in Texas, so that's never really been a concern. The dangerous one, on the other hand, recognised a few of the more local landmarks in the story they disliked, because they only lived a couple hours away. The restraining order dealt with it - they were just an angry kid, basically.

And I did tease the troll, which was apparently enough to push them over the edge.

Not an experience anyone should risk.

But on less gross things - I've found that a lot of readers seriously dislike female characters who have a sexual history when it comes to "little sister" tropes. They really prefer that the innocence be preserved, at least until it gets violated by the deuteragonist. Not that I've listened much to those vocal readers. If you're looking for wide-eyed and submissive, then you'll find it tough to find an Aussie woman to match that description, and they're what I write .

I've responded to critics, but I don't think I've ever teased one. Sometimes I thought it was the same person coming back on other stories, but that one seemed to stop once I stopped answering him (I assume it was a him).

I've been fairly accurate, both in my bio sketch and in my stories, about locational details. Yet I haven't been that concerned about it yet. It's an apartment house among many others, so I've assumed it would be quite difficult for someone to find out which block it was on, much less which windows to break. I figured that the sheer population density was enough to give me cover.

About the "little sister" trope: I know I have a number of stories that have women who are eighteen or nineteen at the beginning. So far, I haven't had anyone specifically mention that they are not submissive or innocent enough for their tastes, but I guess there is always a first time.

P.S.: How did you even get his name for a restraining order? Was he dumb enough to mention it in a post? Often celebrity stalkers are so far gone that they'll enter a person's house and hang around as if oblivious to being caught.

 

[Emilymcplugger]

This reader reminds me of Annie Wilkes in Misery. I've had people tell me what to do, but they limit themselves to about three sentences.

Call his bluff. Ask him to send you one of his versions, maybe the four-chapter one to start. Or just a single chapter. Can he prove that he actually did all this, or is it just B.S.? If he did even a portion of what he claims, I imagine he must be eager to show off his writing prowess.

To be fair when I made my suggestion for my story as an unofficial sequel to his story I felt I was coming across as an Annie Wilkes type (I’m your number one fan!) especially as I made a conscious effort to start it EXACTLY where they had left the characters.

If someone feels so invested then they must have done something right.

I’ll be honest I’ve never felt such a connection to characters before and never expected it would ever make me want to write an erotic story.

 

[MsNatalie99]

But yesterday, I got a scathing PM from a reader who had apparently rewritten my Alexaverse stories, correcting the behaviour of my errant characters, and infinitely improving it. They have half a mind (no argument there) to publish their rewrite for everyone to enjoy, show everyone how it OUGHT to have been done.

Time out...

This ninnyhammer tells me he has completely rewritten my Alexaverse stories. That's seventeen chapters of Alex & Alexa, twenty-three chapters of Mike & Karen, and four chapters of Freja & Jeanie. That's hundreds of thousands of words.

And apparently he only started reading them six months ago.

Does that strike anyone else as a wee bit obsessive? Should I be flattered that my story meant so much to him that he needed to tear it apart and make it his own, because he understands my universe better than I do?

If the Alexaverse ever gets turned into porn, this dude is NOT writing the screenplay. Alexa will be a virtuous nun until she meets Alex, I've no doubt.

So my crazed, obsessive fans who hate my work aside, how about the rest of you? How many of your readers have had to set you straight on your own world and show you how it's done? Show you where you fucked up, because you don't understand the universe as well as they do?

And aren't you so very grateful afterwards?

The Incel is strong with this one...

- BH

There's about a million red flags there.

"It can't be reasoned with, it can't be bargained with. It doesn't feel pity of remorse or fear and it absolutely will not stop. Ever. Until you are dead."

- a large percentage of Lit readers, seemingly.

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[gunhilltrain]

To be fair when I made my suggestion for my story as an unofficial sequel to his story I felt I was coming across as an Annie Wilkes type (I’m your number one fan!) especially as I made a conscious effort to start it EXACTLY where they had left the characters.

If someone feels so invested then they must have done something right.

I’ll be honest I’ve never felt such a connection to characters before and never expected it would ever make me want to write an erotic story.

So did he or did he not like what you wrote? I'm having a little trouble following this.

The only time I did something like that was when a guy wrote this ridiculous thing - it included a talking parrot - for Loving Wives. He admitted he did it only as a goof to bug the crowd over there, which he succeeded in doing. I felt I could do a different take on it, so I asked him for permission. I even gave him a credit, although he didn't insist on it. He wound up loving it.

What the hell, here is his version:

Helping My Wife Find Love

And this is what I wrote:

New American Gigolo

If you read it closely, it's obvious who the female celebrity is supposed to be. Also, I've found out that the Lebanese, even the Muslim ones like the male character, may not consider themselves as Arabs. It is true that Arabic is one of the official languages of the country, along with French.

 

[Emilymcplugger]

So did he or did he not like what you wrote? I'm having a little trouble following this.

The only time I did something like that was when a guy wrote this ridiculous thing - it included a talking parrot - for Loving Wives. He admitted he did it only as a goof to bug the crowd over there, which he succeeded in doing. I felt I could do a different take on it, so I asked him for permission. I even gave him a credit, although he didn't insist on it. He wound up loving it.

What the hell, here is his version:

Helping My Wife Find Love

And this is what I wrote:

New American Gigolo

If you read it closely, it's obvious who the female celebrity is supposed to be. Also, I've found out that the Lebanese, even the Muslim ones like the male character, may not consider themselves as Arabs. It is true that Arabic is one of the official languages of the country, along with French.

He did like what I wrote and likewise I credited him for the original story and characters.

Tbf though I didn’t insult them over the original story, merely stated that I thought there was a tale not told, that I had largely worked out the plotting innit and would love to work on that with them.

As they had no intention to go back to these characters they allowed me to write it and I liaised with them on the early stages and I wound up with something I felt pretty proud of (Aliens to their Alien, is how I hope it came across).

So in the end win/win, but I guess it depends on circumstances. Certainly I would never start with “YOU SUCK WRITING YOUR STORY!” as that’s just rude, but their cab be value engaging with some readers …but not all.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

Gee, I must be lucky, but I do have Anon turned off, I have had no death threats. I have idiots claim I'm the worst writer on Lit, but I have more readers that say they like what I write even if it's not what they usually like to read.

Have all comments been nice. Of course, not. Yet no one has said in a public or private comment that they want me dead. I kinda feel left out now.

I have had reader that said the story was so bad that they left me a zero vote. I had a good laugh and went about writing a story just like the one they hated.

Other than a few ding-a-lings... no death threats... yet.

 

[lovecraft68]

How could one ever?

"Ah named the growth Scilla, after mah ex-wife..."

UPDATE: the wackadoo who wanted the story about the two pregnant women shredding each other to ribbons in an orgy of blood and hate is angry and PM'd me to tell me that he wants to kill me for saying no. Apparently he will track me down anywhere I am in the United States and do me in.

Good luck with that for obvious reasons.

He's not the first one to do so, nor will he be the last. Now I kinda WANT to keep irking him. I shouldn't, in case he actually snaps, but I do enjoy baiting these people on occasion.

Maybe I can write him into a story. I wrote an incel who threatened me into one of my stories and he got the crap kicked out of him by Freja. Now he's locked away and no doubt some fat, greasy tattooed bastard's buttery cornhole in my story.

How on earth do I add Preggo Death Dealer to one of my stories? I do love a challenge...

I have mixed feelings on this. I used to like tweaking the dipshits in LW, or in other stories which featured a cheating aspect or anything they felt made a man a wimp and the woman a bitch. I got the threats, including threatened to be raped beaten and have acid poured into my rancid cunt because they thought I was a woman.

There is a part of me that wants to post a couple of old stories I have that will send them frothing and the petty part or me will revel in their gnashing of teeth. I do live in the US, but it would be a case of careful what you wish for if they ever found me for assorted reasons, some have bullets, some have sharp pointy edges and two have very large fangs.

But things have gotten so bad, and people, formerly sane people, are losing their shit over the littlest thing, so do I need to keep feeding that? They're already on fire, should I supply more gas? Then we delve into 'author responsibility' where its not my problem how people react to my work.

I think the site likes to fuel this crowd because for someone who plays libby the outraged liberal in their politics, they sure do love them some hatespeech in loving wives because clicks are clicks.

So far I've held back on poking them the last couple years, but every whackjob comment I get on stories that were never intended to piss anyone off that doesn't suffer from cold male insecurity or think we're still in 1952 gives me that urge to post a story and say suck on this.

 

[BiscuitHammer]

I have mixed feelings on this. I used to like tweaking the dipshits in LW, or in other stories which featured a cheating aspect or anything they felt made a man a wimp and the woman a bitch. I got the threats, including threatened to be raped beaten and have acid poured into my rancid cunt because they thought I was a woman.

There is a part of me that wants to post a couple of old stories I have that will send them frothing and the petty part or me will revel in their gnashing of teeth. I do live in the US, but it would be a case of careful what you wish for if they ever found me for assorted reasons, some have bullets, some have sharp pointy edges and two have very large fangs.

But things have gotten so bad, and people, formerly sane people, are losing their shit over the littlest thing, so do I need to keep feeding that? They're already on fire, should I supply more gas? Then we delve into 'author responsibility' where its not my problem how people react to my work.

I think the site likes to fuel this crowd because for someone who plays libby the outraged liberal in their politics, they sure do love them some hatespeech in loving wives because clicks are clicks.

So far I've held back on poking them the last couple years, but every whackjob comment I get on stories that were never intended to piss anyone off that doesn't suffer from cold male insecurity or think we're still in 1952 gives me that urge to post a story and say suck on this.

I know, that's my only hangup about it too. Not because they might come after me, but because they might snap on someone else, and nobody deserves that.

Well, even if they do, it's not my place to make it happen.

Author responsibility is a very nebulous thing. It's been there as long as books and treatises have been written, and people do get inspired (thank you Thomas Payne). I remember when 'The Anarchist's Cookbook' was a thing and caused such controversy because it could indeed represent a threat to the public at large via terrorist activity. That kind of discussion and dialogue is healthy for a society.

But if these incels and omega-males are so full of rage and hate to begin with where they talk about throwing acid in women's faces, is an author who takes a contrary position to their view somehow responsible for any actions they take? One would argue that an author who shares their mindset and writes material they agree with is actually responsible.

It's probably pretty well known in the AH by now that I'm very anti-Nazi/Nazi-adjacent and anti-incel, and I spend a lot of time castigating those cultural tumours in my writing. I'm willing to stake several Nazi lives on the bet that I am less responsible for their actions than Richard Spencer is. Same with Elliot Rodger and the incels who worship him. Women in my stories may be the object of their hate, but that doesn't mean I shouldn't write about strong and liberated women who reject these slime.

People, especially young people, do pants-on-head retarded things all the time, and they often mimic what they see and what looks cool, even it's plainly idiotic. How many friends did I have in the early 70's who mauled themselves trying to imitate Wile E. Coyote? Is Warner Bros responsible for their stupidity?

I have known authors who stopped writing because of the threat of crazy people responding negatively to their work, and that sort of psychological hostage-situation needs to be fought. But I think it never hurts to take a moment and think about what your words might mean. Do I think that Nazis and incels need room and credence? Hell no. They are cultural cancers that need to be excised from our species identity. Keep writing strong women, keep excoriating racism.

I've decided I'm okay with them sitting in their dark basements, eyes dilated and teeth gnashing in hatred. They'll die alone. I lament the death of a person, but not their illness.

Well, that was rather dour of me. Then again, spent all yesterday in the hospital with my very elderly mother and it gave me plenty of time to think on things. Yeah, since I've no intention of writing for LW, I see no particular need to change my format. Same as ever, I'll just be mindful of how I say things.

 

[gunhilltrain]

Gee, I must be lucky, but I do have Anon turned off, I have had no death threats. I have idiots claim I'm the worst writer on Lit, but I have more readers that say they like what I write even if it's not what they usually like to read.

Have all comments been nice. Of course, not. Yet no one has said in a public or private comment that they want me dead. I kinda feel left out now.

I have had reader that said the story was so bad that they left me a zero vote. I had a good laugh and went about writing a story just like the one they hated.

Other than a few ding-a-lings... no death threats... yet.

If I ever get death threats, then I'll turn it off. But as I said, good luck finding me. Maybe I shouldn't have done even this, but if you look carefully at Google maps, you can narrow it down to a strip about three blocks wide and a mile long. But there have to be thousands of people living in there.

I think someone mentioned this, but comments of all kinds seem to be less than before. Hard to say if that is really happening, or if it's a mere quirk without any reason behind it.

 

[BiscuitHammer]

If I ever get death threats, then I'll turn it off. But as I said, good luck finding me. Maybe I shouldn't have done even this, but if you look carefully at Google maps, you can narrow it down to a strip about three blocks wide and a mile long. But there have to be thousands of people living in there.

I think someone mentioned this, but comments of all kinds seem to be less than before. Hard to say if that is really happening, or if it's a mere quirk without any reason behind it.

I found that people had a lot more time and/or inclination to comment when we were all stuck indoors for the past two years. Now that we're getting out, our mental energies are elsewhere. I turned Anon comments off some time ago, so nothing has really changed for me. My readers still comment. What I'm pleased about is the number of PMs and direct reviews I get, more than wall comments. I love it when people take the time to do that.

 

[lovecraft68]

I know, that's my only hangup about it too. Not because they might come after me, but because they might snap on someone else, and nobody deserves that.

Well, even if they do, it's not my place to make it happen.

Author responsibility is a very nebulous thing. It's been there as long as books and treatises have been written, and people do get inspired (thank you Thomas Payne). I remember when 'The Anarchist's Cookbook' was a thing and caused such controversy because it could indeed represent a threat to the public at large via terrorist activity. That kind of discussion and dialogue is healthy for a society.

But if these incels and omega-males are so full of rage and hate to begin with where they talk about throwing acid in women's faces, is an author who takes a contrary position to their view somehow responsible for any actions they take? One would argue that an author who shares their mindset and writes material they agree with is actually responsible.

It's probably pretty well known in the AH by now that I'm very anti-Nazi/Nazi-adjacent and anti-incel, and I spend a lot of time castigating those cultural tumours in my writing. I'm willing to stake several Nazi lives on the bet that I am less responsible for their actions than Richard Spencer is. Same with Elliot Rodger and the incels who worship him. Women in my stories may be the object of their hate, but that doesn't mean I shouldn't write about strong and liberated women who reject these slime.

People, especially young people, do pants-on-head retarded things all the time, and they often mimic what they see and what looks cool, even it's plainly idiotic. How many friends did I have in the early 70's who mauled themselves trying to imitate Wile E. Coyote? Is Warner Bros responsible for their stupidity?

I have known authors who stopped writing because of the threat of crazy people responding negatively to their work, and that sort of psychological hostage-situation needs to be fought. But I think it never hurts to take a moment and think about what your words might mean. Do I think that Nazis and incels need room and credence? Hell no. They are cultural cancers that need to be excised from our species identity. Keep writing strong women, keep excoriating racism.

I've decided I'm okay with them sitting in their dark basements, eyes dilated and teeth gnashing in hatred. They'll die alone. I lament the death of a person, but not their illness.

Well, that was rather dour of me. Then again, spent all yesterday in the hospital with my very elderly mother and it gave me plenty of time to think on things. Yeah, since I've no intention of writing for LW, I see no particular need to change my format. Same as ever, I'll just be mindful of how I say things.

I need to try and say this the right way. You need to stop tossing the word Nazi around. The reason being what happens is people will blame everything on one type of person. All the woman haters are trumpers etc....you think no liberal male hates women? You think all woman beaters vote GOP or have Swastika's tattooed on them?

As someone who has been involved with women's rights for a long time I will tell you men of all political beliefs, religions, skin color etc will abuse women. Its the tie that bonds all males, that women are beneath them. Same for incels, and no one has more hatred of them than I do, are not all from the 'right' they are from all walks.

So constantly branding a hater into one demographic opens the doors for the haters in others. Am I making sense? Maybe not.
Quick example. Those three morons who hosted the Oscars this year, one blurts out Toxic Masculinity for no reason, another says "yeah Mitch McConell!" Now, I am not a fan of Mitch, but excuse me, wasn't Cuomo who harassed women and his brother who also had a history of it fired for telling him how to ruin those victims?

Yeah it was, what side are they on? But yes, keep talking Nazi and newsflash white supremacist's are not the only people who kill people in this country. BTW isn't it a coincidence that every people are ready to send the democrats packing in this country because they're awful for the people, oh, look shootings and all racially charged...wow, odd how it always happens then makes you wonder who's really behind the killing

Meanwhile black kids are killing black kids at a genocidal rate in Chicago(dem run since before Obama and strictest gun laws in the states) but no one cares. A white asshole kills a black person its national news...hmm guess only some black lives matter.

Point is bluntly put cut the shit with the self righteous "I bash Nazi's" because A you don't even no what one is, its a buzz word fed to you by media (as is calling the left communists, there are no Nazi's and no communist's here, just hate and fear mongering media and politicians) Meanwhile as you blame one side for everything the other side commits the same atrocities but you don't care because you're convinced its all one person.

The same people who scream about Christians being sexist and homophobic kowtow to Islam, tell me, how is life for women and gays in Islamic countries. Rape isn't a crime, women can't read, have to dress head to toe, if they're raped they committed adultery and get flayed, gays? They kill them. But please tell me more about evil Christians.

Oh, and where do you think Incels got the idea of throwing acid in women's faces? From the middle east where they do it if they see a woman showing two inches of leg. Remember India? The young girl beaten and raped to death on a bus because she was out at night? And they were originally finding her attackers innocent until people rioted

tell me were they Nazi's? No, those are countries people like you ass kiss because you're told you're racist if you say something about "brown countries"

So if you hate certain mindsets and behavior, I'm with you, but stop being a brain dead lemming with tunnel vision and call bullshit where you see it, because fact is the word Nazi is all people say because they're only allowed to blame white people in woke cultures. Your Prime Minister is as close to a true fascist Nazi as there is in modern day, only thing he loves more than control is looking in the mirror, maybe think on the fact someone in the EU called him a fascist.

The dangerous people are everywhere, stop seeing them only in one group because you're enabling the rest is the gist of this rant. Now maybe you'll come up with something clever and call me a racist because that's what happens to people who talk fact not narrative.

 

[MsNatalie99]

If I ever get death threats, then I'll turn it off. But as I said, good luck finding me. Maybe I shouldn't have done even this, but if you look carefully at Google maps, you can narrow it down to a strip about three blocks wide and a mile long. But there have to be thousands of people living in there.

I think someone mentioned this, but comments of all kinds seem to be less than before. Hard to say if that is really happening, or if it's a mere quirk without any reason behind it.

I've only recieved one death threat. Saying that I hated gays, and what not. Having read the story, I felt it was justified. Not the hating gays comment, the threat. I don't write those kinds of stories anymore, and I've deleted the ALT account. Not suggesting you do the same. I'd done so, because I'd worked through the issues which led to those stories.

People are weird. They'll want to punish you all day long for pissing them off. Most of the time it's not even you they're mad at. You can put a dozen warnings on a story, tag them clearly, slip a dozen warnings into the story, and they'll read it anyway knowing it will upset them. Some people just thrive on conflict.

 

[BiscuitHammer]

I need to try and say this the right way. You need to stop tossing the word Nazi around. The reason being what happens is people will blame everything on one type of person. All the woman haters are trumpers etc....you think no liberal male hates women? You think all woman beaters vote GOP or have Swastika's tattooed on them?

As someone who has been involved with women's rights for a long time I will tell you men of all political beliefs, religions, skin color etc will abuse women. Its the tie that bonds all males, that women are beneath them. Same for incels, and no one has more hatred of them than I do, are not all from the 'right' they are from all walks.

So constantly branding a hater into one demographic opens the doors for the haters in others. Am I making sense? Maybe not.
Quick example. Those three morons who hosted the Oscars this year, one blurts out Toxic Masculinity for no reason, another says "yeah Mitch McConell!" Now, I am not a fan of Mitch, but excuse me, wasn't Cuomo who harassed women and his brother who also had a history of it fired for telling him how to ruin those victims?

Yeah it was, what side are they on? But yes, keep talking Nazi and newsflash white supremacist's are not the only people who kill people in this country. BTW isn't it a coincidence that every people are ready to send the democrats packing in this country because they're awful for the people, oh, look shootings and all racially charged...wow, odd how it always happens then makes you wonder who's really behind the killing

Meanwhile black kids are killing black kids at a genocidal rate in Chicago(dem run since before Obama and strictest gun laws in the states) but no one cares. A white asshole kills a black person its national news...hmm guess only some black lives matter.

Point is bluntly put cut the shit with the self righteous "I bash Nazi's" because A you don't even no what one is, its a buzz word fed to you by media (as is calling the left communists, there are no Nazi's and no communist's here, just hate and fear mongering media and politicians) Meanwhile as you blame one side for everything the other side commits the same atrocities but you don't care because you're convinced its all one person.

The same people who scream about Christians being sexist and homophobic kowtow to Islam, tell me, how is life for women and gays in Islamic countries. Rape isn't a crime, women can't read, have to dress head to toe, if they're raped they committed adultery and get flayed, gays? They kill them. But please tell me more about evil Christians.

Oh, and where do you think Incels got the idea of throwing acid in women's faces? From the middle east where they do it if they see a woman showing two inches of leg. Remember India? The young girl beaten and raped to death on a bus because she was out at night? And they were originally finding her attackers innocent until people rioted

tell me were they Nazi's? No, those are countries people like you ass kiss because you're told you're racist if you say something about "brown countries"

So if you hate certain mindsets and behavior, I'm with you, but stop being a brain dead lemming with tunnel vision and call bullshit where you see it, because fact is the word Nazi is all people say because they're only allowed to blame white people in woke cultures. Your Prime Minister is as close to a true fascist Nazi as there is in modern day, only thing he loves more than control is looking in the mirror, maybe think on the fact someone in the EU called him a fascist.

The dangerous people are everywhere, stop seeing them only in one group because you're enabling the rest is the gist of this rant. Now maybe you'll come up with something clever and call me a racist because that's what happens to people who talk fact not narrative.

I'm very specifically against Nazis. And the Nazi-adjacent. I don't put everyone under the blanket. I don't think everyone who abuses women are incels. I think incels fall under the larger blanket of misogynists. Please understand, I'm very specific about Nazis when I use the term. I despise all racism, yes, but I punch Nazis when I can find them.

Fascism is a problem, endemic across a political spectrum, and way beyond the scope of 'Nazi'. Don't get me going on Trudeau.

Nazis are Nazis. Fascists are something else, and racists and misogynists are everywhere. There are other terms for other brands of racists. I'm at severe odds with much of the Muslim world over its treatment of women and people who don't share the nationally dominant faith, much as I am with Christian fundies who want the Republic of Gilead. They're misogynists, and some of them are incels.

And NEVER get me going on the so-called 'woke' crowd. Ugh, I spend quite a bit of time trolling millennial culture in my stories.

I love differentiating between all the crazies and bad guys.

 

[XerXesXu]

I think incels fall under the larger blanket of misogynists.

I sometimes express a down on 'incels' generically when I mean revenge-rapists. Most incels are neither rapists nor misogynists, and many are not male, just persons who want to be in a relationship but it's not happening for them. Those deserve our compassion.

 

[SimonDoom]

I punch Nazis when I can find them.

I hate Nazis too, but I'm 100% against punching them just for being Nazis. Nobody should be punched because of their political affiliation, period, ever. Doesn't matter what the affiliation is.

The proper response to bad speech is good speech, not shutting it down or punching the people who express it. The only legitimate grounds for legally restricting, or criminally punishing, or using force in response to, speech are four: defamation, intellectual property infringement, incitement to violence (which under American law is defined narrowly), and, in very narrowly defined cases, the revelation of confidential facts that pose extreme national security issues.

 

[Duleigh]

Some of my feedback is VERY entertaining! Some are helpful, pointing out valid concerns and if those concerns end with "But that's just me" I am fine with it. In one story I had a couple end up in a night of bondage on their first date, a reader hated that, but he also ignored the fact that the couple had been sleeping together for a week, sharing their love of bondage before they finally went out on a date, but that's personal preference. Then there's the technical wizards:

I am writing a series of stories about a gun crew member on an AC-130 gunship. My character moved from a bomb squadron to an AC-130, then to a fighter squadron. That's actually a very realistic career path for a weapons troop. A reader pointed out to me that a crew member on an AC-130 would never move to a fighter squadron because they're Special Ops. I sent his remarks to several of my old squadron mates that were gunners and moved to bomb squadrons and fighter squadrons. They found the remarks to be quite entertaining. In the USAF you go where you are needed,

But on the whole, my feedback has been very supportive, I'm either hitting my readers with what they want to read, or they're terrified to talk to me

 

[Duleigh]

I hate Nazis too, but I'm 100% against punching them just for being Nazis. Nobody should be punched because of their political affiliation, period, ever. Doesn't matter what the affiliation is.

The proper response to bad speech is good speech, not shutting it down or punching the people who express it. The only legitimate grounds for legally restricting, or criminally punishing, or using force in response to, speech are four: defamation, intellectual property infringement, incitement to violence (which under American law is defined narrowly), and, in very narrowly defined cases, the revelation of confidential facts that pose extreme national security issues.

Amen brother!
Personally I hate hate speech, but I hate hate speech laws more, they violate the Constitution of the United States